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[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I am curios Knight, what choices did he pick in TW1?

All of them are exactly the same as mine, except he unintentionally killed Berengar, and didn't cure Vincent (didn't know how).

[blothulfur]

Thinking about it by the end of the prologue Letho has allready accomplished his greatest goal, the removal of what was probably the greatest of the northern monarchs. Of course with Radovid the Sterns ascendance and thanks to the heavy handed plotting of the lodge Nilfgaard might be just in time to see a young lion rising from the ashes of the stricken north but everything after Foltests death can only be judged as a bonus for emperor Emhyr.

I've never played a game where I so convincingly lost and yet felt so satisfied and effective because the small victories of my character were so well delivered. And the fact that the game has the balls to punish me if i'm stupid is just the cherry on top of the cake.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Indeed, 2 out of the 4 main monarchs are dead, and you can kill the third. Aedirn can have a new king. The Lodge is defeated, and Eilhart is either dead or escaping for her life. The Conclave is potentially destroyed before it was even created. Sile can die.

All in all, Letho was more or less successful. And 100% agreed that it was very satisfying to me. Especially sparing Letho, one of my favorite ending ever.

[Babli]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
and Eilhart is either dead or escaping for her life...

Philippa can die? When?

[blothulfur]

It makes me wonder on just how far you can subvert the old fantasy rpg staple into something that genuinely innovates, is it the plots doing or simply a development team who are creating something that they actually care about and lavish as much attention on as we players do.

Looking back through my witcher 1 save recently I realised that with sparing Berengar at Black Tern Island I can't in all honesty judge Letho either, have to change the ending of my canon run through and i'm kind of glad because Letho deserves life just for being such a clever magnificent bastard.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Babli wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
and Eilhart is either dead or escaping for her life...

Philippa can die? When?

I am assuming she dies if you go to save Triss and leave her to rot in prison.
I could be wrong though, what happens if you go save Triss?

[KnightofPhoenix]

blothulfur wrote...
Looking back through my witcher 1 save recently I realised that with sparing Berengar at Black Tern Island I can't in all honesty judge Letho either, have to change the ending of my canon run through and i'm kind of glad because Letho deserves life just for being such a clever magnificent bastard.

A clever magnificent bastard who likes to play pranks and drink vodka.

How badass is that?

[blothulfur]

Damn right.

[Nero Narmeril]

I am assuming she dies if you go to save Triss and leave her to rot in prison.
I could be wrong though, what happens if you go save Triss?

In Witcher Saga, Philippa is burned some time after 'The Lady of Lake'. But I don't believe, that she died, if you go after Triss - Iorveth will try to free Saskia alone, and likely he will rescue Philippa.

[Costin_Razvan]

I think Phillipa only dies on Roche's path...who knows though. On Iorveth she escapes no matter what.

[Nero Narmeril]

I think Phillipa only dies on Roche's path...

I didn't see Philippa on Roche's path (except the situation, where Triss talked to her and before Draug battle). Where did you see her?

[Costin_Razvan]

Nero Narmeril wrote...

I think Phillipa only dies on Roche's path...

I didn't see Philippa on Roche's path (except the situation, where Triss talked to her and before Draug battle). Where did you see her?

Didn't see her but you have her mentioned by Radovid ( through a certain conversation option ) that he tamed her.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 juillet 2011 - 06:28 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Eh well, in either case she lost all political standing and was for all intents and purposes defeated, alongside the Lodge.

That said, I like Philippa and hope we do see her again.

[KnightofPhoenix]

On my way walking to the university trying to fix some ****, I asked myself. Why was Letho waiting in Flotsam for 2 weeks?

Walking on the empty streets of Montreal, slightly sweating because of the hot and humid climate, I wiped my brow and started pondering. Was he waiting for Triss Merigold so that he can teleport to Aedirn?

But then I realized that it does not make much sense, as Geralt can reach Vergen in a few days, so why wait 2 weeks for her? Is it thus possible that Letho wanted to get Triss to give her to Shilard, because that was part of The Plan? But we learn on Iorveth path that Letho just let her go. I contemplated the possibility of Letho knowing that Shilard was waiting for her, and didn't want to be seen directly associating with him, so just let her go knowing that his employers were going to get her. However such a scenario seems a bit farfetched to me unless I am missing on some crucial info.

So, on the verge of me thinking that TW2 had a major plot hole, an idea I find unacceptable, I wiped my forehead some more, walked under the shade and thought some more. And I came to the conclusion that the reason for Letho waiting 2 weeks in Flotsam seems to be two fold.
A. he was waiting for the perfect time to strike, aka when Henselt crosses the Pontar, sets up camp and maybe when the battle starts. Also waiting for the preparation that his two comrades are doing. His presence there before the good time to strike might jeapordize his mission, especially when Sile is hunting him.
B. waiting to oust Iorveth before they go to Aedirn, because he sees him as a wild card that can jeopardize his plans once they get to Upper Aedirn (perhaps he also knows that Eilhart is manipulating Saskia and can manipulate Iorveth through his infatuation with the dragonslayer. Plus, the Lodge was after him at this point).

Those two reasons, imo, make sense as to why Letho did what he did. As for why he told Geralt he is going to Aedirn, that's something Iorveth already says when the 2 assassins are preparing there.

So my fellow Witcherites, did I miss something due to the unbearable heat wave exacerbated by the intolerable humidity?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 juillet 2011 - 08:47 .

[Nero Narmeril]

Why was Letho waiting in Flotsam for 2 weeks?

He was not waiting. He was hiding with Iorveth. But he realized that he can't hide forever, so he betrayed Iorveth and kidnapped Triss. Letho is most wanted criminal in the Northern Kingdoms, so he can't just walk to Aedirn (I bet there's still a bounty for his head).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nero Narmeril wrote...

Why was Letho waiting in Flotsam for 2 weeks?

He was not waiting. He was hiding with Iorveth. But he realized that he can't hide forever, so he betrayed Iorveth and kidnapped Triss. Letho is most wanted criminal in the Northern Kingdoms, so he can't just walk to Aedirn (I bet there's still a bounty for his head).

Eh, maybe the most simple answer is the correct one.

So he was just hiding with Iorveth who was not yet ready to leave for Upper Aedirn as he is gathering his forces. Letho couldn't afford going to Aedirn on his own, so opted to stay under Iorveth's protection. But when Triss Merigold showed up, he figured it would be easier and less risky to teleport.

Thank you, that makes sense.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:05 .

[DragonRageGT]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think Phillipa only dies on Roche's path...who knows though. On Iorveth she escapes no matter what.

Yeah. Geralt finds an injured Yorveth holding Phillipa's dagger so it's hinted that she's escaped. That's the only way for Yorveth to have that dagger.

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well he's not watching now. In general.

I didn't let him start with TW2. He had to play TW1 and before it DA2 so we can get it out of the way.

Heh. Older brother is laying down the law eh?

@ rage. I swear there is a delay problem with blocking ( under certain circumstances), throwing bombs and daggers, and any action I want to execute after I stop running. It can be maddening at times. 

Let the kid play!

And yes, blocking, throwing and casting signs all suffern the same problem. For me is not as I stop running so much. It's when I try to do any of those things after a first attack and all I get is the two-steps thingie... grrrr

[DragonRageGT]

About Nilfgaard and the Emhyr, can someone please spoil some more of the story for me? Why is he so hated? Geralt lifted his curse once, right? Why Dandelion say that anything he does (regarding his spying for Redania then Temeria) is ok as far as he does nothing for the Emperor. (Flotsam, chat at the tavern).

What's the story behing the Emperor? I know about Ciri but, is there more to it?

[Costin_Razvan]

Figure this bit out: The entire north was almost conquered and subjugated by the Empire during the War. When that happens to a nation they don't tend to be very happy about it.

[Nero Narmeril]

@up

When someone tries to invade your country, you propably will hate him for that. Emhyr tries to conquer all Northern Kingdoms, that's why he is so hated there.

[Nero Narmeril]

Ok, I wonder if someone will know the answer.

After lifting the ghost mist in Roche's path, we know, that Roche is behind the plot and the Blue Stripes meet their fate. We know also, that only Ves didn't meet her fate. She explain, that Henselt raped her (later Henselt confirmed it) and thats why she lives. But after Roche tells her, that she have to go to ship, Geralt says, that Ves is lying, because she couldn't escape from Dethmold.
The question is - what was Geralt talking about?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nero Narmeril wrote...
After lifting the ghost mist in Roche's path, we know, that Roche is behind the plot and the Blue Stripes meet their fate. We know also, that only Ves didn't meet her fate. She explain, that Henselt raped her (later Henselt confirmed it) and thats why she lives. But after Roche tells her, that she have to go to ship, Geralt says, that Ves is lying, because she couldn't escape from Dethmold.
The question is - what was Geralt talking about?

Some of us theorized that Ves willingly gave herself up, most probably in exchange for her comrades' lives. Henselt of course lied. This is hinted at in the cutscene where we see that Ves did not attempt to resist. Ves does not feel like the kind of person who would not resist even if in vain. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:34 .

[Nero Narmeril]

Some of us theorized that Ves willingly gave herself up, most probably in exchange for her comrades' lives. Henselt of course lied. This is hinted at in the cutscene where we see that Ves did not attempt to resist. Ves does not feel like the kind of person who would not resist even if in vain.

Ok, but what about Dethmold? He could just kill her, when Henselt went to Vergen. Geralt didn't talk about the king, but about wizard.

[Costin_Razvan]

I can't picture Ves letting herself be raped for no reason other then to say alive. I just can't picture that strong female character accepting that **** without good reason.

 Ok, but what about Dethmold? He could just kill her, when Henselt went to Vergen. Geralt didn't talk about the king, but about wizard.

Dethmold, the loyal pet, was likely ordered to not touch her.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:40 .