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[KnightofPhoenix]

Nero Narmeril wrote...

Some of us theorized that Ves willingly gave herself up, most probably in exchange for her comrades' lives. Henselt of course lied. This is hinted at in the cutscene where we see that Ves did not attempt to resist. Ves does not feel like the kind of person who would not resist even if in vain.

Ok, but what about Dethmold? He could just kill her, when Henselt went to Vergen. Geralt didn't talk about the king, but about wizard.

Henselt probably told him not to kill her. Perhaps a sick gesture on his part.

[Costin_Razvan]

Or keeping part of his promise.

[PsyCoil]

Finished TW1 again, I have to say, I have played on the hard diffculty and this game wasn't quite as challenging as the second game, Some Potions and those temporary runes are incrdebily overpowerd, I also got G'valchir steel sword and Moonblade, And they just destroyed everything in a few swings... Spoilers ahead for those who didn't finish TW1:










And since we all love this old debate so much... Was alvin the grandmaster? A lot of things indicate that It his him... Or maybe somehow connected to him in some way, But the things that really struck me were:

Geralt: "Wouldn't you rather be a knight?"
Alvin: "I will be a witcher-knight!"

A knight who hunts monsters? Like the order...

Also I gave jacques to the king of the wild hunt [And than loaded a save and killed them both] to see what happens and the king of the wild hunt says that he knew this soul under another name... Possibly Alvin? 

And one last thing, I didn't notice before but It looks like what I said to Alvin changes jacques views...


Brilliant story. Absolutely Brilliant.

[Nero Narmeril]

@up

Yes, Alvin is Jacques de Aldersberg. Both have the same amulet (don't remember material) and grandmaster's quotes depends on yours teachings to Alvin in Act IV.
If you would have the hardest gameplay on Witcher 1, I recommend the FlashMod.

[DragonRageGT]

Nero Narmeril wrote...

@up

Yes, Alvin is Jacques de Aldersberg. Both have the same amulet (don't remember material) and grandmaster's quotes depends on yours teachings to Alvin in Act IV.
If you would have the hardest gameplay on Witcher 1, I recommend the FlashMod.

Dimetirium amulet...

As for Ves, I still have it in me that Geralt says that she is lying because she says she is alright. She never said she was raped. She was lying because she was indeed raped and she was not alright at all.

Henselt had already shown his perversity when he wanted Saskia in the package in which he bought Aedirn.

[blothulfur]

My theory on why Letho was waiting in Flotsam is because he wanted the sorceresses of the lodge to reacquire his trail so that they were always on hand following him when a king died, he left plenty of clues lying around to his destinations which is a carelessness unlike the cunning giant and so the sorceresses followed seeking to prevent another kingslaying but played into the trap set so carefully by Shilard who was possibly assisted by Radovid. Mind you it's pure speculation.

[Cyberfrog81]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Some of us theorized that Ves willingly gave herself up, most probably in exchange for her comrades' lives.

She was coerced. Of course Henselt/Dethmold had her people killed anyway.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Blothulfur
That makes sense as well.

I wish we could explore Letho and how he maneuvered prior the assassinations. Namely, I wanted to see the relationship between him and Sile. It was mentionned here before though I do not recall by whom, that Letho probably faked attraction to Sile (or probably genuinely had it but did not let it get out of his control), to lull her into a false sense of security and control. Sorceresses, those off the North at least, dress this way deliberately to attract people's attention and manipulate them. It makes sense for Letho to use this arrogance to his advantage.

Though I am not sure Letho and Sile did anything really, however I am sure someone somewhere is drawing something as we speak, possibly even uploading it somewhere.

@ Cyberfrog
Of course, I did not mean to say that she wanted to have sex with him. She was pressured to. Not sure that would qualify as rape, but still a very bastard thing to do.

I think the reason she looks so shocked and depressed is that she has survivor's guilt.

[Nero Narmeril]

Another question. What happened to Boussy La Valette? We know, that he propably has been killed, but who did that? For my opinion, there are two suspects:
- Radovid - he wants access Temeria to Redania, and after Foltest's death, Boussy is heir to throne. Eliminating him will cause, that there's no heir to Temerian throne, so it will be easier to access Temeria. Also, he wants Roche and Geralt bring Anais to him (after Boussy dead, Anais is heir)
- Dethmold - we know, that he kidnapped Anais (propably on Nilfgaard order). Kaedwen also wants some Temerians lands to access, so Dethmold could also killed heir to throne.

Modifié par Nero Narmeril, 29 juillet 2011 - 04:19 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

There is a third, and imo he is the most likely one. Shilard. He's the one who secured Boussy and Anais, and he's the one who gave Anais to Dethmold, as a bargaining chip. Shilard might have killed Boussy to increase the chances of Temeria remaining in chaos.

[blothulfur]

The disappearance of Boussy tasks my Geralt, their father fell while under the white wolfs watch and so he see's it as his duty to redeem himself to Foltests children. If Radovid is responsible for the death of Boussy why would he then give over a powerful bargaining chip to the lackey of a competing monarch.

If Dethmold is responsible for Anais's kidnap why would he slay the little lad but keep the lass alive, unless the sorceror was sold the child by scheming Temerian nobility who having slain Boussy the heir in a move of unbelievable arrogance and stupidity just sell the "unimportant" female into slavery.

I smell something more, I think there are wolves in the shadows that have not revealed themselves yet. Maybe it is as you say the servants of the emperor of Nilfgaard weaving their webs across the north but something seems off to my mind and I can't yet grasp it.

Shilard especially on the kill Aryan route does seem to be the most likely suspect though, it just seems strange that we hear nothing of it in game on any playthrough.

Modifié par blothulfur, 29 juillet 2011 - 04:55 .

[blothulfur]

This makes me think we may see a Nilfgaardian backed puppet pretender to the Temerian throne in the witcher 3 or perhaps in an expansion. But i'm still waiting on the Erl king to show his hand and reveal why he agreed to take Geralt over Yennefer and why he would then let the witcher go after a few years of service. Is he luring out Ciri? Did he take Boussy?

Modifié par blothulfur, 29 juillet 2011 - 05:24 .

[Lord Phoebus]

blothulfur wrote...

If Dethmold is responsible for Anais's kidnap why would he slay the little lad but keep the lass alive.
 

Simple, young boy has a claim to the Temerian throne; husband of young lass has a claim to the Temerian throne.  That's the way Royalty works.  The boy is a potential political liability, while the girl is a claim to the Temerian throne for whichever king chooses to buy her.  That's the reason Radovid wants Geralt and Roche to get her.

[DragonRageGT]

I think CDPR really screwed up with patches 1.2 and 1.3, regarding mutagens drop rate and quality.

Unless we can replace the little ****ty ones we may decide to use until we find better (and IF we find better now) or unless we can mix the ****ty one and craft a better one (pretty much like the gems of Diablo 2), mutagens could be ultimately removed from the game because there is no way I'm going permanently use a ****ty mutagen on my Witcher!

If CDPR did that because some frakers made a cheating mod that adds mutagens to all abilities or even the crafing greater ones from lesser, I think it is a minority of gamers that are willing to use cheats and a majority of gamers would approve a official patch giving us the ability to 1) replace mutagens and 2) craft better ones from lesser quality ones.

They may be a little overpowered for an Alchemist with Impregnation level 2 but hey, not all players go alchemists and alchemists have other drawbacks. True, the mixed swordsman/alchemist with all greater power mutagens can make the game cheesy, like we can see on a YouTube video but, again, if a gamer wants to screw his experience by cheesing the game, it is his problem and I believe that most might do it for one run but keep it balanced for their other playthroughs because cheesy is not much fun after a while.

CDPR could instead fix the Impregnation skill to give 35% on mutagens instead of 100% as it is now. (A Greater crit mutagen goes from 3% to 6% with the skill level 2)

[blothulfur]

I'm with you there Rage, having mutagens for the last hour of the game makes them kind of pointless like all the cracking gear you get.

Yeah good point Phoebus.

Oh my good god. Imagine if Boussy was a source as I believe its mentioned royal blood carries that potential and when the kidnappers came for him and Anais he cast himself back through time and become an orphan on the outskirts of Vizima a few years before the events of the first game where he was renamed Alvin and taken in by a good woman who was later slain by Barghests at the gates of the outskirts and he met a strange white haired witcher who he seemed to have vague memories of. That would be a mind screw.

It's total crap and full of holes but it would really make me laugh my arse off, Foltest would have ordered his own sons death at the end of the first witcher a few months before gathering an army to save him.

Now my head hurts.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Agreed with Rage.

@ Blothulfur
Or imagine if Boussy is in fact Emhyr Var Emreis, and Shilard was instructed to make him go back in time.
Crappy theory I know.

Or....Boussy is Vernon Roche and Fotlest is ironically his dad.

I personally don't think Boussy's death has anything mysteriously sinister about it, I think Shilard just killed him for raison d'Etat. That said, it is sad that Foltest's son died.


Speaking of sad, what moment you think was the saddest in the two Witcher games? Or just moments that you felt were powerful and memorable?

[blothulfur]

Anais's reaction to Foltests death and the deed itself, gutwrenching, a powerful monarch is with one swipe so much dead meat.

Letting Berengar go, don't know why.

Vincent Meis being cured and living happily ever after, a fairy tale in such a grimdark world and one of the little victories worth fighting for.

Receiving Aerondight, my Geralt is still a knight of the lady.

The Wreath of Immortelles solution to in the heat of the day, another quest failed where you make a clear difference even so.

Saving the witch of the outskirts and the later cinematic payoff in murky waters.

Finding the kingslayer sitting in the ruins waiting for you with a sword and a flask at his side, his tasks all done.

[slimgrin]

For TW2, Cedric's death:

"What's happening?...the forest, I feel a presence."

*Geralt looks around and sees only nature, branches and leaves fluttering in the wind, nothing supernatural whatsoever.*

"They've come to bid you farewell."

A brilliant moment in the game, and no one can tell me that ain't commentary on religion and the afterlife.



For TW1, Rayla and Toruviel:

White Ryale and Toruviel are wonderfull tragic characters, both of which we have only momentary contact with. Side with Rayla, and Toruviel gets gang raped and hanged. Side with Touruviel and Rayla gets assasinated by Yaevinn - easily the most dramatic cutscene in the game. And Rayla's fate is even worse than Touruviel's, as she gets toyed with and zombified by Javed.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:20 .

[orbit991]

Considering how crap that world can be, I thought the resolution of the Hooker and Commandant(werewolf) was extremely well written and done. Faltests death was very well done also. Margo hanging herself was a surprise as well as her final letter. Also from the first one the Noon and nightwraiths with the two sisters was really original. There is more but that's just of the top of my head.

[Nero Narmeril]

Speaking of sad, what moment you think was the saddest in the two Witcher games?

In Witcher 1
- leaving Kaer Morhen forever
- find, that the detective is dead
- leaving the village in act 4 (the Order and Scoia'tael fight and innocent people between)

In Witcher 2:
- killing the dragon on Roche's path (didn't know it's identify)
- seeing Blue Stripes hanging in cantina
- Foltest's death

Or just moments that you felt were powerful and memorable?

In Witcher 1:
- killing the Beast
- receiving Aerondight
- judgement on witch and village people
- fight with Wild Hunt King

In Witcher 2
- fights with Letho
- defending Henselt from assassins
- Saskia's speech before attack
- Eternal Battle

[KnightofPhoenix]

My list is similar:

Saving Abigail, Geralt sounds like an uber badass there: "You have two options. You kill Abigail when I leave, but I will be back. I'll slay after lice-ridden peasant, anything that moves and can't climb a tree." The cinematic payoff in Act IV makes it even better.

Letting Berengar go.

Curing Vincent Meir. At first I was "meh" at the concept, but when Geralt talked about it in the consequences cutscene, I couldn't but like it.

TW1 epilogue. Listening to Jacques talk, reminding us of what we told Alvin, is powerful in and of itself. Then the King of the Wild Hunt showing up and telling us how much we've screwed up. It was a great ending imo.

Foltest's assassination.

Cedric's death

Saskia's speech

Radovid putting out Philippa's eyes / Vernon Roche cutting Dethmold's balls

Killing the dragon on Roche.

Finding the Kingslayer sitting in the ruins waiting for you with a sword and a flask at his side, AND with Triss sitting next to him after he saved her for the sake of an old friend. Drinking Vodka with him, talking, then walking away from him.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:12 .

[PsyCoil]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Speaking of sad, what moment you think was the saddest in the two Witcher games? Or just moments that you felt were powerful and memorable?

Mhmm... Starting with The Witcher 1:

Saving abigail feeled really good, Geralt speech to the townsfolk was awesome!

Finding that Javed is Raymond and than finding Raymond corpse at the cemetry.

Killing Berengar and than reading the letter on his corpse just made me load a save.

The opening scene of Chapter 5 where the elves are trying to kill foltest, If you don't remember, Here It is:
www.youtube.com/watch

You can see how much those elves are striving for freedom trying to kill the king.

And finally, Listening to Jacques views and remembering what I said to alvin.


The Witcher 2:

Foltest death.

Cedric death.

Saskia Talking to Henselt, Ending her sentences always with: "It's War!" felt very powerful.

Saskia revealing her secret.

Letting Letho go after he saved Triss - The only thing I wish they've done with this is show us how he did this, Or maybe let us play as Letho and protecting Triss. That would make It feel SO much better.

Modifié par PsyCoil, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:46 .

[slimgrin]

Foltest seemed too pompous and entitled for me to weep when he died. He was sacrificing lives to secure his throne, as Geralt says in the beginning. And he f*cked his sister. LaVallette was a fling, was she not? I can't get past these things.

[PsyCoil]

slimgrin wrote...

Foltest seemed too pompous and entitled for me to weep when he died. He was sacrificing lives to secure his throne, as Geralt says in the beginning. And he f*cked his sister. LaVallette was a fling, was she not? I can't get past these things.

Foltest was the lesser evil among the northern kings

[Costin_Razvan]

Sad Moments.

Witcher I:

Alvin's cinematic after you save him and the Dog by the lake.
Berengar's death.
Toruviel's death.
Rayla's death ( and fate ).
Alvin's death.
Leaving Lakeside with Geralt starting at the dog in the background and it crying out in grief.
Siegfried's death ( I mention this since I did side with the Scoia'Tel on my very first playthrough...yes the allmighty anti-squirrel poster Costin did actually do that ).

Witcher II:

Foltest's death.
Cedric's death.
Dethmold's death ( I liked him what can I say ).
Visiting the tomb of the Dun Banner and laying that bearskin cap to rest there.


Awesome moment:

Witcher I:

Saving Abigail from the Lynch mob.
Siegfried speaking up to let you pass the gates towards the marsh.
Figuring out who is the one behind the murders.
The true love cinematic.
Meeting Radovid.
Being a father like figure to Alvin.
Letting Berengar go and him showing up at the fight with Azar Javed.
Ada and Radovid cinematic.
Siegfried becoming Grandmaster.
Killing Yaevin.

Witcher II.

Punching Iorveth in the gut.
Killing the Kayran on Insane.
Controlling Henselt at the beginning of Act II.
The fight with the Assassins.
Saskia's speech ( You're ****ting bricks because Henselt is coming! )
Meeting Siegfried again as well as meeting Radovid.
Roche and Geralt slaughtering their way through the camp.
Killing Sile.
Killing the Dragon on Iorveth's path. To me that was akin to posting a gigantic sign reading FU IDEALISM even though I spare her on Roche's path. My only regret is that I couldn't get the dagger and still do this. Ah it would have pleased me greatly to see Iorveth's reaction. ( Perhaps cruel, but by God do I hate Saskia's naivety and Iorveth's stupid fight for racial supremacy and then equality. ).

Letting Letho walk away: One of the most memorable moments in my entire video gaming history.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:58 .