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[Addai]

virumor wrote...

One part of me thinks Triss should've died instead of the cop-out with Letho saving her, but another part is looking forward to the upcoming drama with Yennefer. Even more so, since I had chosen Shani in Witcher 1.

Yeah I really thought Triss would die on the other route.  It's good I managed not to spoiler myself much, I even thought I remembered people commenting about Triss being gone.  Also the reveal on Saskia was a complete surprise.

I don't like Yennefer and I chose Triss over Shani in TW1, so there won't be as much drama in my game.  Geralt would still try to help Yennefer though, as a friend, but the way I'm playing him, he's reluctantly fallen in love with Triss.  One thing I love about the Witcher story are Geralt's friendships- not just Triss but Zoltan and Dandilion.  If he was a true lone wolf, I don't think I'd like the story as much.

[Nerevar-as]

Let´s just hope this time around it doesn´t end as the group of the books.

[csfteeeer]

ErichHartmann wrote...

virumor wrote...

One part of me thinks Triss should've died instead of the cop-out with Letho saving her, but another part is looking forward to the upcoming drama with Yennefer. Even more so, since I had chosen Shani in Witcher 1.

I hope Shani returns.  I can't stand Triss. 

THANK YOU

i liked Triss in TW1, in TW2... she's nothing, she doesn't do much, and most of it is get kidnapped, and her personality is boring.

[hangmans tree]

Some new people here I see and a fresh blood to invest time in TW universe. People on consoles enjoing a great RPG, so different than the mainstream products developed en masse... how cool is that?

[android654]

It's very cool.

So I've been watching a few reviews, and everyone seems to think its important to have a firm grasp on the whole Witcher universe. So would you reccomend playing Witcher 1 or reading the books?

[Addai]

csfteeeer wrote...
i liked Triss in TW1, in TW2... she's nothing, she doesn't do much, and most of it is get kidnapped, and her personality is boring.

It's fine if you just don't like her, but I don't agree she does nothing.  A lot of it is in the background but one thing I like is that she's got her own agenda and heroic arc and isn't just a piece of fluff on Geralt's arm.

[Addai]

android654 wrote...

It's very cool.

So I've been watching a few reviews, and everyone seems to think its important to have a firm grasp on the whole Witcher universe. So would you reccomend playing Witcher 1 or reading the books?

TW1 is a great game so you should play it for its own merits.  I do think it would help to have some grasp on the universe.  TW2 has a steep learning curve as far as gameplay, and even though I've played the first game and read the first book, I had to work to follow everything that was going on story-wise.

[jonesy1138]

android654 wrote...

It's very cool.

So I've been watching a few reviews, and everyone seems to think its important to have a firm grasp on the whole Witcher universe. So would you reccomend playing Witcher 1 or reading the books?

Im gonna go with reading the books. I havent read them myself but I recommended TW1 to all my gaming friends. They tried it, hated the combat system and now they wont even give TW2 a chance...

[fchopin]

Play TW1 if you can as the story is brilliant and you learn about Geralt.

[HoonDing]

Addai67 wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...
i liked Triss in TW1, in TW2... she's nothing, she doesn't do much, and most of it is get kidnapped, and her personality is boring.

It's fine if you just don't like her, but I don't agree she does nothing.  A lot of it is in the background but one thing I like is that she's got her own agenda and heroic arc and isn't just a piece of fluff on Geralt's arm.

She's the fantasy version of Mona Sax. Kicks ass but in the end still finds herself in the role of the damsel-in-distress.

[Addai]

And Saskia is poisoned. It doesn't take away from the characters. The story needs conflicts, Geralt needs problems to solve.

[KnightofPhoenix]

android654 wrote...

It's very cool.

So I've been watching a few reviews, and everyone seems to think its important to have a firm grasp on the whole Witcher universe. So would you reccomend playing Witcher 1 or reading the books?

I think TW2 is more or less stand alone in terms of the story. But TW1 acts like a good introduction to the universe and a better introduction to the characters involved, especially Geralt. And it has a great story in its own merit.

So if you could check it out, do so. It would give you something to do till 17th of April

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 février 2012 - 10:36 .

[billy the squid]

android654 wrote...

It's very cool.

So I've been watching a few reviews, and everyone seems to think its important to have a firm grasp on the whole Witcher universe. So would you reccomend playing Witcher 1 or reading the books?

I played TW2 without playing TW1 and I didn't have any trouble understanding the context of the conflict and story. The characters by and large are introduced well, and the codex entries are always fun to read and explain more about the characters, monsters and geo political situation in the game.

There are refrences to TW1 through out TW2, but they are given enough explaination so you don't feel completely lost whilst listening or reading about it. It won't hurt you to play TW1 though, it's a great game in itself.

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

Ringo12 wrote...

arafinwe_ingalaure wrote...

Well cutting a little the swearing can't be bad.  The game would still be great if they cut nudity and swearing.  And giving more respect to women can't be bad either

Oh please they weren't being misogynistic they were were making the world feel real and authentic. I think we all know how women were treated in the middle ages and what era in history does this series remind you of besides some of the most powerful people in the games are women.

I'm not against nudity and swearing in games.  Some of the scenes with Triss were really well done. But are the whoring scenes necessary to the story ?  Not really, it's still optional content and I didn't used them myself,  You do it if you want and I don't have problems with that, I don't think it would hurt the game if the Aussie's rating company ask them to remove them.   As for the swearing, I don't think people where swearing that much in the middle-age. Of course a little of swearing, but not as much as the dwarfs are doing there.

In my game : I sided with Iorveth, and helped Philippa and saved Saskia.  I let Letho go   I wanted to romance Triss, but the story broke my project of that.

Modifié par arafinwe_ingalaure, 23 février 2012 - 11:02 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

arafinwe_ingalaure wrote...

I'm not against nudity and swearing in games.  Some of the scenes with Triss were really well done. But are the whoring scenes necessary to the story ?

It's not necessary to the story, but it's necessary to conveying the ambience and believability of the setting.
That's the kind of world the Witcher is.

   As for the swearing, I don't think people where swearing that much in the middle-age. Of course a little of swearing, but not as much as the dwarfs are doing there.

I agree with that on the otherhand and it's something I've expressed here a long time ago. I loved the dwarves of Vergen on Iorveth's path, but they did not need to swear every single sentence. I think they went a little overboard.

But not enough to ruin the moment or to make me dislike them. In fact the quest in the tunnel with them is still one of my favorites.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 février 2012 - 11:06 .

[grregg]

arafinwe_ingalaure wrote...

(...)
As for the swearing, I don't think people where swearing that much in the middle-age. Of course a little of swearing, but not as much as the dwarfs are doing there.

(...)

Heh... as a matter of fact, yes they were. It is hard not to laugh when you read a medieval book of savoir-vivre. Various wise men totally seriously advise their readers that farting loudly is not a polite thing to do and that you're not supposed to blow your nose into a tablecloth. The same goes for language I'm afraid.

Courtly manners were not very courtly until fairly recently.

[Addai]

arafinwe_ingalaure wrote...
I'm not against nudity and swearing in games.  Some of the scenes with Triss were really well done. But are the whoring scenes necessary to the story ?  Not really, it's still optional content and I didn't used them myself,  You do it if you want and I don't have problems with that, I don't think it would hurt the game if the Aussie's rating company ask them to remove them.   As for the swearing, I don't think people where swearing that much in the middle-age. Of course a little of swearing, but not as much as the dwarfs are doing there.

I don't get how depiction of a brothel is misogynistic.  It's flavor of the world and so you can roleplay Geralt as a lecher if you want to.

[K_Tabris]

wolfsite wrote...
I played threw a good chunk (close to the end but I just couldn't finish it due to it being too boring)

I actually purchased the game cause I saw this review and though the reviewer was being a bit harch.

www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/22-The-Witcher

But as I played threw I saw he was exactly right.  Plus I started to feel dirty with the way women were being portrayed.

As hilarious as that review vid was, I disagree.  

Well, except for the mysogynistic part.   Yeah, the game did make me feel a little dirty and disrespected as a female.  It is better off played as a neutral Geralt who only romances the right lady (Triss ), and not everyone else along the way...

Unfortunately, I'll never find out what happens after "questing zone 2" because the game almost melted my laptop, and it will be awhile before I can get a proper gaming pc =/

Other than that, the game was fun, and had an awesome story....it was just too, testosterone-filled at moments, for my liking.

[slimgrin]

csfteeeer wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

virumor wrote...

One part of me thinks Triss should've died instead of the cop-out with Letho saving her, but another part is looking forward to the upcoming drama with Yennefer. Even more so, since I had chosen Shani in Witcher 1.

I hope Shani returns.  I can't stand Triss. 

THANK YOU

i liked Triss in TW1, in TW2... she's nothing, she doesn't do much, and most of it is get kidnapped, and her personality is boring.

I found Triss's frank speach of devotion in the Elven Ruins to be quite compelling. She might be the only woman who puts Geralt on the spot, and on numerous occasions ( especially in TW1). She wants him to settle down with her and she's willing to give up 'everything' if he does so. In such a bleak world I found her refreshing. I think she'll play a big role in TW3 cause there are still unresolved issues about her relations to the lodge and court life.

Modifié par slimgrin, 24 février 2012 - 01:38 .

[Addai]

Zero Punctuation is a bad reviewer. I only watched a few minutes of that before it's clear he doesn't know what the fru he's talking about. It takes weeks of study to figure out whether to use fast, slow or group? If that's his view of combat in TW1, he must have been totally lost in TW2. 

As for the sex- whatever. I give up at trying to understand what other women complain about. Most often if something is marketed to women I hate it, so testosterone seems to work for me.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 février 2012 - 01:59 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I can agree that the sex cards were misogynistic. But as for the rest, I don't see it in the slightest.

[slimgrin]

The lesbian bondage scene was a lost opportunity. Instead of walking in with a lascivious grin on his face, Geralt should have rolled his eyes and said "We've got work to do Phillipa, you two done here?"

Would have been a chance for CDPR to poke fun at themselves.

[Chromie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I can agree that the sex cards were misogynistic. But as for the rest, I don't see it in the slightest.

As a woman I don't see it either.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I can agree that the sex cards were misogynistic. But as for the rest, I don't see it in the slightest.

They were juvenile and silly, but I guess I understand something different under the term misogyny.  Medieval misogyny is represented in the game in that women on the fringes of society are sometimes condemned for moral perfidy- Chapter 1 of Witcher 1 concluded around that theme, with the villagers accusing Abigail for the curse they brought on themselves.  That's misogyny and it's represented in the Witcher universe for what it is- bad.

[HiroVoid]

Addai67 wrote...

Zero Punctuation is a bad reviewer. I only watched a few minutes of that before it's clear he doesn't know what the fru he's talking about. It takes weeks of study to figure out whether to use fast, slow or group? If that's his view of combat in TW1, he must have been totally lost in TW2. 

As for the sex- whatever. I give up at trying to understand what other women complain about. Most often if something is marketed to women I hate it, so testosterone seems to work for me.

Yahzee's pretty much a humorous critizizer.  He can bring up a lot of good points, but he still has to be funny about it.  Most of the time, you can see his overall opinion at the very end of a review.  For the Witcher series, it's like real-time strategy and fighting games to him.  He can see why people like it, but it's not his type of games.