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I don't see why that makes Letho a badass and Sile a b****.


Stuff like that does bother me yes. When men manipulate others, it's considered badass, like Letho. But when women do it, it's considered "****ly."
I don't think Sile is that of a badass because she's just bad at this game. But Philippa Eilhart is a badass despite her slip ups in TW2.

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The Alvin one?



Shhhh.

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Saskia. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]


Doesn't really affect the main plot. But yea the one thing I did not see coming.

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What I don't get is that Badowski said in the interview they want you going with emotions, and given the complexity of the plot that's really hard for me to do. I'm always thinking very analytically about consequences. My choices in TW1 were more from the heart kind of stuff, in TW2 not so much. In fact nothing in TW2 disturbs me as much as discovering Toruviel's fate, not even what happens to the Blue Stripes in Roche's path. It's a more conceptual game imo.

What happens to her?  And did you play for the Order or Scoia'tael in TW1?  Just want to keep my stuff straight.  I don't remember a lot of the details from TW1.  Suppose I should replay that, too, someday.

How in the world is CDPR going to account for all the possible outcomes....

@ KoP:  Why do you like Radovid so much?


It's been a while, so details are fuzzy. If you don't support her rebellion in Murky Waters, you get separated, and later on you meet Rayla, who casually mentions she let her troops gang rape her before they strung her up. The mid-chapter artwork shows Toruviel swinging from a tree. This really floored me, for the simple reason that I expected to see her again - there was only a hint I might not -  but like real life, friends or family can be snuffed out before we get a chance that we fully expect will come again.

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#10553
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@ KoP:  Why do you like Radovid so much?


Several reasons.

Because he was able to outsmart everyone in Redania including Philippa Eilhart herself and impose himself as king at a very young age (he's in his early twenties). He is cunning and ruthless.

Because he had the foresight to absorb the Order of the Flaming Rose and bring it all under his command after he helped Foltest defeat them in TW1 (he did that in part to outmaneuvre the mages and Philippa).

Because he understands that half of power is image and he always does his best to portray himself as law abbiding, whether it comes to the elimination of his opponents and mages (Eilhart included, he said he was going to put her on trial, even though he already decided her fate) or his ambitions with regards to Temeria. He is subtle in that sense when compared to say Henselt (even though the Pontar Valley technically was Kaedweni territory). His subtelty is also shown in Loc Muinne especially on Roche's path. In that sense, he is politically prudent and astute. 

Because he is very ambitious domestically and in foreign policy and will stop at nothing to fullfill it. He is the only monarch in the North who I think is the most likely to reform the system and centralize power under him. Foltest, though competent, evidently failed to do so and Henselt embarrasingly had more than half his army defect before the battle of Vergen.

Related, he expresses respect to Saskia's conscript army even when it lost and says that the knighthood risks extinction. That to me shows that he is also likely to create a more professional army (of course under his direct command) and throw away traditional military paradigms.

Finally, he sounds and acts like a badass in TW2 and says one of my favorite lines: "Politics is like a complicated puzzle. Every piece can prove useful, or equally useless, even harmful."

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I don't see why that makes Letho a badass and Sile a b****.


Stuff like that does bother me yes. When men manipulate others, it's considered badass, like Letho. But when women do it, it's considered "****ly."
I don't think Sile is that of a badass because she's just bad at this game. But Philippa Eilhart is a badass despite her slip ups in TW2.

Was she really that bad at it?  She knew Letho was up to something, she just didn't catch on in time as to exactly what.  Philippa is deceived by her apprentice as well, on Roche's path.  Other than Philippa, Sile seems to be the most with-it mage in the north, which is also why I'd choose to spare her, since I don't want to see Nilfgaard succeed in their conquest.

edit- And your explanation on Radovid makes sense, thanks.  He's certainly a cut above the other kings, apart from Foltest.  If he ends up marrying Anais they could make a good pair.

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Radovid's a great man. It's because of him my two favorite characters Siegfried and Roche will be fighting on the same side in W3. ^_^

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Was she really that bad at it?  She knew Letho was up to something, she just didn't catch on in time as to exactly what.  Philippa is deceived by her apprentice as well, on Roche's path.  Other than Philippa, Sile seems to be the most with-it mage in the north, which is also why I'd choose to spare her, since I don't want to see Nilfgaard succeed in their conquest.


She wasn't horrible, but she had no idea Letho was up to something until after he killed Foltest. She thought he was a complete oaf (and I am convinced that Letho faked love to her as well).

But it's true, Philippa gets tricked as well. I guess I am saying this because of what I know of Sile in the books and in the journal. Philippa was  evidently much more involved in politics than Sile.

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Radovid's a great man. It's because of him my two favorite characters Siegfried and Roche will be fighting on the same side in W3. ^_^


Indeed, I really liked that.
Only a badass like Radovid can lead badasses like Siegfried and Roche at the same time.

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It's been a while, so details are fuzzy. If you don't support her rebellion in Murky Waters, you get separated, and later on you meet Rayla, who casually mentions she let her troops gang rape her before they strung her up. The mid-chapter artwork shows Toruviel swinging from a tree. This really floored me, for the simple reason that I expected to see her again - there was only a hint I might not -  but like real life, friends or family can be snuffed out before we get a chance that we fully expect will come again.

Whoa.  :huh:

I found it interesting that on Roche's path, there is no attack on non-humans in Flotsam.  So if you're an elf lover, choosing to help Iorveth has a worse outcome for Flotsam's non-humans, all in all.  Really cool how different the outcomes are.

This time I played through killing Letho just to see the scene.  The facial animation on Geralt as he looked down at Letho's body was superb.  His mouth is twitching like he's really torn about what he did.  This is really how a story-driven cinematic game has to be made- with a set character.  Even if the plot branches can be very different, Geralt is a known quantity and so the devs can show his reactions and not have people scream "that's not what my PC would have done."

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@ KOP, I think manipulative is a more apt term.

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slimgrin wrote...

@ KOP, I think manipulative is a more apt term.


More often then not, I find that word interchangeable with "badass."


Speaking of which, Radovid qualifies for magnificent bastard status. So does Letho.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

She wasn't horrible, but she had no idea Letho was up to something until after he killed Foltest. She thought he was a complete oaf (and I am convinced that Letho faked love to her as well).

But Letho says she was watching him carefully at first.  She came to trust him, but she also had no choice if she wanted Demavend dead.  Something which wasn't her decision alone, but the Lodge's as a whole.

But it's true, Philippa gets tricked as well. I guess I am saying this because of what I know of Sile in the books and in the journal. Philippa was  evidently much more involved in politics than Sile.

Oh, I don't remember Sile at all from The Last Wish.  I guess I should read Blood of the Elves since I have it on my shelf.  So much on my reading queue...

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I must say that deciding Anais' fate was the hardest choice for me in W2. I handed her over to Natalis in my first playthrough since I was concerned over Temerian independence and wasn't sure to trust Radovid(my Canon Geralt is VERY pro-Temeria and Foltest) but then I started thinking about how Adda was his Queen, of how Foltest was supportive of that marriage and of a Temerian-Redanian union and how my boy Grand Master Siegfried was vouching for him and finally ended up deciding it's best to hand her over to him instead.

Hopefully with Henselt dead I can end up with a Temerian-Redanian-Kaedwen union of some kind. :D

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Addai67 wrote...

 This is really how a story-driven cinematic game has to be made- with a set character.  Even if the plot branches can be very different, Geralt is a known quantity and so the devs can show his reactions and not have people scream "that's not what my PC would have done."


Made a poll on the RED site concerning just this, and most ( not surprisingly ) found that a predetermined PC is much more engaging. Finding a balance between that and player choice is no easy feat though. I'm sure the same poll here would turn out much different, as Bioware prizes the blank slate approach. Although I'd argue they aren't as blank slate as Bethesda is.

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Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

She wasn't horrible, but she had no idea Letho was up to something until after he killed Foltest. She thought he was a complete oaf (and I am convinced that Letho faked love to her as well).

But Letho says she was watching him carefully at first.  She came to trust him, but she also had no choice if she wanted Demavend dead.  Something which wasn't her decision alone, but the Lodge's as a whole.

But it's true, Philippa gets tricked as well. I guess I am saying this because of what I know of Sile in the books and in the journal. Philippa was  evidently much more involved in politics than Sile.

Oh, I don't remember Sile at all from The Last Wish.  I guess I should read Blood of the Elves since I have it on my shelf.  So much on my reading queue...


Sile doesn't appear in Blood of Elves but Philippa sure does.

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Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

She wasn't horrible, but she had no idea Letho was up to something until after he killed Foltest. She thought he was a complete oaf (and I am convinced that Letho faked love to her as well).

But Letho says she was watching him carefully at first.  She came to trust him, but she also had no choice if she wanted Demavend dead.  Something which wasn't her decision alone, but the Lodge's as a whole.


Well yea who wouldn't be suspicious of a giant witcher.
Sile was the only one of the Lodge that delt directly with Letho, the rest did not know him personally and probably based their decision on her recommendation or report. Philippa might have been more prudent, but she does get tricked herself.

I would not go as far as to say that the Lodge couldn't have assassinated Demavend without Letho. But a naive super warrior who is seemingly easily manipulated does sound like the best and most prudent option.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

She wasn't horrible, but she had no idea Letho was up to something until after he killed Foltest. She thought he was a complete oaf (and I am convinced that Letho faked love to her as well).

But Letho says she was watching him carefully at first.  She came to trust him, but she also had no choice if she wanted Demavend dead.  Something which wasn't her decision alone, but the Lodge's as a whole.


Well yea who wouldn't be suspicious of a giant witcher.
Sile was the only one of the Lodge that delt directly with Letho, the rest did not know him personally and probably based their decision on her recommendation or report. Philippa might have been more prudent, but she does get tricked herself.

I would not go as far as to say that the Lodge couldn't have assassinated Demavend without Letho. But a naive super warrior who is seemingly easily manipulated does sound like the best and most prudent option.


I really want to see what Emyr's involvement is in TW3, at the moment he's somewhat of an unknown entity. But I find it very interesting that he was the architect of the conflict, through manipulation and careful application of assassination. Very shrewd ruler, if he does appear in TW3 I'd hope he's a match for  Radovid.

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I'm worried for how they'll portray Emhyr and Nilfgaard, IIRC they mentioned it as being some evil empire and I can't help but feel that they'll simply show them as being bastards with no redeeming qualities.

Though it'll be interesting to see how they'll handle Emhyr's past relations with Geralt.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm worried for how they'll portray Emhyr and Nilfgaard, IIRC they mentioned it as being some evil empire and I can't help but feel that they'll simply show them as being bastards with no redeeming qualities.

Though it'll be interesting to see how they'll handle Emhyr's past relations with Geralt.


I forgot that's who Roche passes as on landing in Flotsam.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm worried for how they'll portray Emhyr and Nilfgaard, IIRC they mentioned it as being some evil empire and I can't help but feel that they'll simply show them as being bastards with no redeeming qualities.

Though it'll be interesting to see how they'll handle Emhyr's past relations with Geralt.


I am slightly worried as well, but everything I have seen from CDPR leads me to believe that they will most likely portray them in a nuanced way. They have given me more than enough reason for me to have faith in them. 

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Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm worried for how they'll portray Emhyr and Nilfgaard, IIRC they mentioned it as being some evil empire and I can't help but feel that they'll simply show them as being bastards with no redeeming qualities.

Though it'll be interesting to see how they'll handle Emhyr's past relations with Geralt.

I don't think they'd do that.  Letho praises the emperor very highly.

If anything it sounds like the elves are going to end up being the force that humanity will have to unite to oppose- if the Wild Hunt joins up with the Scoia'tael or something.  I'm interested in this elf that Geralt describes meeting, the one that took him in trade for Yennefer.  I hope he's at least awesome even if he's evil.  :)

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Holy sh*t I never drank the visionary's potion on my first run. This should be interesting...

O_o...I'm not even gonna say, what its about.

Ok, I am. This has to be the devs making fun of fans so distressed about Geralt's libido in the first game.

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Wait, did I miss something? I must have missed something. I don't remember any such revelatory moment.

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Wait, did I miss something? I must have missed something. I don't remember any such revelatory moment.


It's probably the best quest in the game. Be warned giant chickens are no joke.

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Visionary's_potion 

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BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN????

( ok I'll figure it out)

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LOL I didn't give him money or want to be his follower, so I missed out.