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[Costin_Razvan]

Stuff like that does bother me yes. When men manipulate others, it's considered badass, like Letho. But when women do it, it's considered "****ly."

Which is why I consider Phillipa badass, because she does manipulate Saskia like the fool she is. Sile however? Not really.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Stuff like that does bother me yes. When men manipulate others, it's considered badass, like Letho. But when women do it, it's considered "****ly."

Which is why I consider Phillipa badass, because she does manipulate Saskia like the fool she is. Sile however? Not really.

In Iorveth's path, Phillipa doesn't even know what Saskia is until Saskia is poisoned, then she gains control of her by ensorcelling her, not manipulation.  Though I guess somehow on Roche's path she gets control of Saskia anyway.

[Costin_Razvan]

Phillipa doesn't even know what Saskia is until Saskia is poisoned, then she gains control of her by ensorcelling her, not manipulation.

Who do you think was responsible for her getting poisoned? Stennis? Phillipa knew long before that what Saskia was.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[Addai]

Philippa says that she suspected Saskia was not what she seemed, but didn't know the truth until she had her under her power after the poisoning.

And since Saskia would have died without Geralt's intervention, are you implying Philippa wanted her dead?  What does that gain her?

Modifié par Addai67, 05 mars 2012 - 08:45 .

[Costin_Razvan]

She knew she would have Iorveth wanting to cure her and since Geralt came with Iorveth it was not unreasonable for her to assume Geralt would help as well.

If you do Roche's path I am pretty sure she gets poisoned anyway and that Iorveth found the ingredients instead of Geralt.

[HoonDing]

The thing about Emhyr is that like Jacques d'Aldersberg, he is trying to prevent the apocalpyse from happening, or at least make sure the lands are ready for it when it happens. That's why he wants to unite the north under the Empire's banner.

The "apocalypse" as I see it, is just another conjunction of the spheres, which seems to be a cyclical event in the Witcher universe.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

She knew she would have Iorveth wanting to cure her and since Geralt came with Iorveth it was not unreasonable for her to assume Geralt would help as well.

If you do Roche's path I am pretty sure she gets poisoned anyway and that Iorveth found the ingredients instead of Geralt.

But you meet with Saskia during Roche's path, after the point at which she gets poisoned on the other path.  The cure is also very difficult to manage- it takes up most of your Iorveth Act 2 activity- I highly doubt anyone but Geralt could have done it.  I think Philippa even said as much.  Anyway it's heavily implied that Stennis poisoned Saskia, because he didn't want his place in Aedirn usurped by a commoner woman.

[Addai]

virumor wrote...

The thing about Emhyr is that like Jacques d'Aldersberg, he is trying to prevent the apocalpyse from happening, or at least make sure the lands are ready for it when it happens. That's why he wants to unite the north under the Empire's banner.

Where do you learn that?

[Costin_Razvan]

Anyway it's heavily implied that Stennis poisoned Saskia, because he didn't want his place in Aedirn usurped by a commoner woman.

Stennis didn't do it, there is clear evidence the priest who was with Stennis and Saskia was responsible, you can find this out during the quest where the mob tries to lynch Stennis, and you also find out Stennis did not agree with killing Saskia though he did know of the plans to do so.

 
But you meet with Saskia during Roche's path, after the point at which she gets poisoned on the other path. 

You meet her at roughly the same time Geralt cures her on Iorveth's path. Iorveth also has a unit of elves under his command, not unrealistic he could do just as well as Geralt did.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[phimseto]

It is pleasing to see all the love for The Witcher 2! I hope it sells really well when it releases next month!

[Seboist]

I hope there's a pro-Nilfgaard path in W3.

[Chromie]

Seboist wrote...

I hope there's a pro-Nilfgaard path in W3.

I hope so too. I really wanna see just how much Nilfgaard can screw everyone over.

[Dave of Canada]

Seboist wrote...

I hope there's a pro-Nilfgaard path in W3.

Considering Geralt "helped" Emyhr (Duny) in The Last Wish, chances are there'd probably be some discussion between both, more so considering Emyhr wants Ciri which he probably believes Geralt has. Considering Ciri's involvement with an elven world, Geralt, Yennefer, Nilfgaard the like, I assume she'll play some role and Geralt can probably side with Emyhr, as CDPR doesn't seem to shy away from offering choice in those matters.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[HoonDing]

I'd really like to see Dol Blathanna (Francesca Findabair sex card trololol) and Lyria/Rivia in TW3. Considering Emhyr is probably going north with his army, they could even be the main setting of the game.

Lyria/Rivia was the only northern kingdom completely absent from TW2 (logically, since it doesn't border on the Pontar valley), and it's the first line of defense against Nilfgaard. Also IIRC Stennis mentions Queen Meve in TW2.

[KnightofPhoenix]

virumor wrote...

I'd really like to see Dol Blathanna (Francesca Findabair sex card trololol) and Lyria/Rivia in TW3. Considering Emhyr is probably going north with his army, they could even be the main setting of the game.

I'd rather go there in an expansion and have TW3 be set in Nilfgaard proper. I doubt Emhyr is personally going to lead the invasion.

[Costin_Razvan]

He didn't lead the last one. As for sidding Nilfgaard, yeah I'd like to side with them but I sure as hell hope they will give me a reason to do so. I've personally had enough of the North. We saw Aedirn, Temeria and Kaedwen already. I want to see the Empire!

Knight: I'm curios, but when did you start liking Iorveth as a character? For me it was the moment he stepped in between those peasants and told them to STFU.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Knight: I'm curios, but when did you start liking Iorveth as a character? For me it was the moment he stepped in between those peasants and told them to STFU.

In Act 1 after you help him in the skirmish, though truth be told I was always intrigued by him (but did not think I'd like him that much).
But the peasant moment is when I realized that he's more of an imposing badass than Roche.

[Nerevar-as]

Addai67 wrote...

virumor wrote...

The thing about Emhyr is that like Jacques d'Aldersberg, he is trying to prevent the apocalpyse from happening, or at least make sure the lands are ready for it when it happens. That's why he wants to unite the north under the Empire's banner.

Where do you learn that?

In the books. But his plan involved things that he couldn´t make himself do, so the world is still screwed. Jacques plan was even more ruthless than his.

The apocalypse is an ice age far away in the future according to an elf Geralt meets later on the books.

[Seboist]

I wasn't too fond of Iorveth (still considered him a fun character tho) during my first playthrough where I picked the Roche path but in my second one where I did side with him I ended up loving the bastard by the time it was over. The way the Iorveth-Geralt relationship starts off as a co-belligerent one but later during the course of the game progresses to one of friendship was really well done.

One aspect of Iorveth's character that really made me like him was that the reason why he favored an egalitarian state was not because he was some bleeding heart that wanted humans and elves to hold hands and sing kumbaya but because it was the best option available to this people. I cringe at the thought of how BW would handle such a character.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Anyway it's heavily implied that Stennis poisoned Saskia, because he didn't want his place in Aedirn usurped by a commoner woman.

Stennis didn't do it, there is clear evidence the priest who was with Stennis and Saskia was responsible, you can find this out during the quest where the mob tries to lynch Stennis, and you also find out Stennis did not agree with killing Saskia though he did know of the plans to do so.

Er, ok- I thought you were arguing that Philippa did it?  And if they never planned to kill her, only incapacitate her, why make a poison so strong?

[Costin_Razvan]

The only logical conclusion is that she knew Saskia was a dragon. If Phillipa who else could have done it? Who else had as much to gain as she did? Sure you could argue the priest did it on his own, but I very much doubt that.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[Addai]

But that's what I don't understand- what does she have to gain by killing Saskia? If Philippa planned it only to get Saskia under her sorcery, then why not use a poison for which she already knows an antidote, rather than one that requires very rare magical ingredients which someone is going to have to gather during wartime with a spectral mist threatening everyone? That doesn't sound like a very good plan.

And who else gains by having Saskia out of the way- Stennis, obviously, and his supporters.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[blothulfur]

Henselt. And the perfect way to cover up his perfidy, is to brain the priest who he hired to poison the virgin.

[Addai]

I guess Henselt could have done it. He doesn't seem to be very adept at conspiracy, even in his own camp.

[blothulfur]

You underestimate him because of his blunt nature, he didn't maintain his position as king through lack of guile and his advisors abilities in that area are not to be sneezed at.

Philippa is also a logical candidate as well, Saskia's condition is entirely monitored by the sorceress and in truth we don't know how ill she was. She may have just been sleeping a deep reptilian sleep of regeneration and Philippa's healing was entirely un-needed. Having Geralt and Iorveth kept busy on the lookout for components, is a damn good way to keep the two most compotent individuals in Vergen distracted.