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[Nerevar-as]

Addai67 wrote...

I find that more realistic, though. Geralt should have limited information and it shows that sometimes things just happen, he's not an omnipotent omniscient being. The biggest shock for me was that the attack on non-humans in Flotsam didn't happen on Roche's path. Help Iorveth and doom the elves and dwarves of Flotsam- yikes.

@ KoP- That's what I meant, they would be a good pair if they marry.  If he wants to hold Temeria he had better do what he says.  Then again, when the empire and the Wild Hunt show up, all bets are off anyway.

Adda is alive in my game. I wonder how giving the girl to Radovid would turn out.

[Mercannis]

slimgrin wrote...

I did too. The part where she is led off to her fate is rather touching imo. She's just a pawn and you really feel it in that scene.

***SPOILER***

As for Roche, one of my favorite conflicts in the game is when you and him are confronting Henselt, and the king says Vess squeaked like an un-oiled hinge. Pissed me off. But you can tell Roche to back down, which was the more gratifying choice given the brief exchange between Geralt and Roche afterwards.

Come on..that was hilarious. Henselt was my favourite king though so im biased.

[Alpha-Centuri]

How does having Adda alive affect it? *My save won't import for whatever reason* I'm assuming a little more claim for Radovid. If you give Anais to Radovid, it prevents conflicting claims to the throne probably.

[Addai]

Mercannis wrote...
Come on..that was hilarious. Henselt was my favourite king though so im biased.

Not hilarious.  Not even a little bit.

I let Roche kill Henselt, but in retrospect Geralt would probably stop him.  Man that guy deserves it though.  He deserved it even before the game started.  What a slimy little ****.  Worst part of the game was having to take over his fat ass as avatar.  I really hope they don't do that in the next one- it's fine to play a set character, but I'd rather just see a cutscene than to slip in and out of Geralt.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Henselt is a bastard and he is awesome nonetheless.

And I'll be blunt, I think killing Henselt is stupid.

[Costin_Razvan]

Not hilarious. Not even a little bit.

Some people just don't give a damn. Vess is ( in Henselt's eyes and very much rightly so ) a spy..and spies even in this "civilized" era are tortured, beaten, raped and generally killed when they are caught, unless they are exchanged for other spies.

To be frank while I liked the Blue Stripes and Ves, I don't blame Henselt in the slighest for killing them. As for raping Vess...seriously I can't imagine her being raped without a fight, and she would probably have killed Henselt unless she actually believed Henselt would spare her and the others if she gave herself to him...well at least in one respect Henselt kept his word about sparing her.

And I also agree with Knight, killing Henselt is idiotic even Roche admits this I believe if he did kill him? ( Never allowed him myself ). I like Henselt a lot myself and my only problem is that he didn't kill Ves when he should have and allowed her to live in exchange for sex. ( yes she is forced into it, but it's not Rape to me, the difference might be minor but it's there ).

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

One of my favorite scenes.

[Nerevar-as]

Addai67 wrote...

Mercannis wrote...
Come on..that was hilarious. Henselt was my favourite king though so im biased.

Not hilarious.  Not even a little bit.

I let Roche kill Henselt, but in retrospect Geralt would probably stop him.  Man that guy deserves it though.  He deserved it even before the game started.  What a slimy little ****.  Worst part of the game was having to take over his fat ass as avatar.  I really hope they don't do that in the next one- it's fine to play a set character, but I'd rather just see a cutscene than to slip in and out of Geralt.

Henselt already betrayed the North once. With Nilfgaard back to old ways, killing him might be wiser even considering the inestability it´ll bring short term.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nerevar-as wrote...
Henselt already betrayed the North once. With Nilfgaard back to old ways, killing him might be wiser even considering the inestability it´ll bring short term.

Except he changed his mind during the war, when he had no real immediate reason to, and without his help, the North would have lost.

Henselt is not stupid enough to commit the same mistake that he fixed a few years ago.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Henselt is a bastard and he is awesome nonetheless.

And I'll be blunt, I think killing Henselt is stupid.

Yeah yeah, whatever.  It's not my keeper run anyway.  And some decisions should be left to others- Geralt doesn't have to make them all.  Roche is not an incompetent.  But in retrospect, I think Geralt would have stopped him because he's obviously overwrought and Geralt wouldn't want to be implicated in another kingslaying.

It was, however, enormously satisfying to see that fat pig sputter as he realized not everyone believes in divine right of kings.

[Costin_Razvan]

It was, however, enormously satisfying to see that fat pig sputter as he realized not everyone believes in divine right of kings.

He knew Roche would kill him the moment Geralt left the room, and he did not show fear.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
And I also agree with Knight, killing Henselt is idiotic even Roche admits this I believe if he did kill him?

He doesn't.  There's just some blurbs where Geralt gives monologue about another king dying.

It's definitely rape.  That's not even up for discussion as far as I'm concerned.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It was, however, enormously satisfying to see that fat pig sputter as he realized not everyone believes in divine right of kings.

He knew Roche would kill him the moment Geralt left the room, and he did not show fear.

Ha, no he doesn't.  He's enormously surprised that Roche actually does it.  Not fear, but definitely shock.

[KnightofPhoenix]

He took it like a man as far as I am concerned.
And at the end, he knew Roche would kill him and told him to get on with it.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 mars 2012 - 05:05 .

[Seboist]

I killed Henselt because Kaedwen was a Temerian rival scheming to annex some of it's turf and due to my Geralt being bros with Foltest.

From a pro-Redanian metagaming perspective it leads to them becoming the dominant power in the north if you combine it with Ada being saved, Siegfried as the GM and giving them Anais too.

[Costin_Razvan]

It's definitely rape. That's not even up for discussion as far as I'm concerned.

For you maybe, but not for me. I'm sorry but I'm not going to buy the argument that it's Rape when Ves allowed him to do it in exchange for her life ( that is something pretty damned clear from the cinematic ). Yes it was forced sex, and while to you the difference might not exist to me it's a huge one.

And at the end, he knew Roche would kill him and told him to get on with it.

Exactly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...
From a pro-Redanian metagaming perspective it leads to them becoming the dominant power in the north if you combine it with Ada being saved, Siegfried as the GM and giving them Anais too.

Or it makes Redania surrounded by 3 unstable kingdoms plunged in civil war.
It would make life so much easier for Nilfgaard.

[android654]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It's definitely rape. That's not even up for discussion as far as I'm concerned.

For you maybe, but not for me. I'm sorry but I'm not going to buy the argument that it's Rape when Ves allowed him to do it in exchange for her life ( that is something pretty damned clear from the cinematic ). Yes it was forced sex, and while to you the difference might not exist to me it's a huge one.

I think in order for it to be rape there must be force and no semblance of choice or decision.

[Costin_Razvan]

I think in order for it to be rape there must be force and no semblance of choice or decision

Pretty much. Ves had a choice: She could either sleep with Henselt and survive, or be hanged along with the other Blue Stripes as she deserved. Regardless of how people view it, it was a choice.

My problem with what Henselt did is instead of doing the sensible thing: killing her. Instead he chose otherwise.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I strongly doubt that Vess did it to save her skin. She most likely accepted because Henselt promised that he would spare her comrades, which he didn't.

Vess would never abandon her team.

[android654]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think in order for it to be rape there must be force and no semblance of choice or decision

Pretty much. Ves had a choice: She could either sleep with Henselt and survive, or be hanged along with the other Blue Stripes as she deserved. Regardless of how people view it, it was a choice.

My problem with what Henselt did is instead of doing the sensible thing: killing her. Instead he chose otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, ultimatums in any fashion is pretty low. Giving someone the option of being unwillingly f**ked or hung is pretty scummy but it's a lot different from being beaten and held down against your will.

[Costin_Razvan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I strongly doubt that Vess did it to save her skin. She most likely accepted because Henselt promised that he would spare her comrades, which he didn't.

Vess would never abandon her team.

There's that as well. 

 Don't get me wrong, ultimatums in any fashion is pretty low. Giving someone the option of being unwillingly f**ked or hung is pretty scummy but it's a lot different from being beaten and held down against your will.

I don't disagree, but as you said there's a difference between the two. To me it's important to note it, and to me Ves should have been hanged.

Ultimately though to me it wouldn't affect my choice, vengeance no matter how justified is moronic. Doesn't mean I don't care about what happened, because I did like the Blue Stripes, but ultimately there are much more important things at stake.

This discussion has me consider if I want a worst possible scenario for the north though: Henselt dead, Anais given to Natalis, Triss not saved, just to have a playthrough to import in TW3 where the North is ****ed.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[Addai]

android654 wrote...
I think in order for it to be rape there must be force and no semblance of choice or decision.

Coercion= force.  I can't believe we're even discussing this.  Next topic.

[android654]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

There's that as well. 

 Don't get me wrong, ultimatums in any fashion is pretty low. Giving someone the option of being unwillingly f**ked or hung is pretty scummy but it's a lot different from being beaten and held down against your will.

I don't disagree, but as you said there's a difference between the two. To me it's important to note it, and to me Ves should have been hanged.

Ultimately though to me it wouldn't affect my choice, vengeance no matter how justified is moronic. Doesn't mean I don't care about what happened, because I did like the Blue Stripes, but ultimately there are much more important things at stake.

This discussion has me consider if I want a worst possible scenario for the north though: Henselt dead, Anais given to Natalis, Triss not saved, just to have a playthrough to import in TW3 where the North is ****ed.

I'm still waiting for the 17th, so I can only speculate so much as to motive, but I think vengeance has a very strong place in literature and fiction as a whole. It's our primal way of understangind 'justice," much like we would when we first started understanding ourselves. Some of the best stories in history are founded on the premise of vengeance.

[Costin_Razvan]

Really Addai? Then again I didn't expect anything else in regards to how you viewed it. If you are just going to dismiss the argument from the very start then what the hell are doing here?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 mars 2012 - 06:49 .