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[MJRick]

Damariel wrote...

MJRick wrote...

Damariel wrote...

sorry.

or wait...MJRick you have fun with DA2?

Yeah it was a fun game it wasn't Biowares best game ever but an improvement over Origins kid.

heh ok, interesting point ... bye.

And yes I prefer Origins

Leaving so soon? I am dissapoint kid

[sympathy4saren]

slimgrin wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

As for environment, it is inaccurate. Environment details, even on consoles, defeat The Witcher 2 on pc. It's not a matter of pc superiority...which is right...its the fact of development time and care given with a state of the art version of the Unreal 3 engine Bethesda calls Creation.


As far as story, The Witcher 2 no doubt is more cinematic and focused on story detail. Skyrim's story will be much, much better than other TES games, though.

Skyrim does not and will not have better graphics, I'm sorry but it can't. It definitely doesn't have better art direction, we've all seen Frazzetta a thousand times, whereas the visual style in TW2 is something new, as far from cliche as you can get in a fantasy game. Also, graphical limitations are inherent in open-world games and Skyrim has other limitations being a multiplatform game, right out of the gate. 

You're wrong saying that the 360 pics of Skyrim are better than TW2. The resolution and graphical fidelity simply aren't there; they cant be, the hardware on consoles won't support it.

Do I think Skyrim will likely be great? Of course, but in different ways, and I still fear it will devolve into console bait. Will it get game of the year? That's a popularity contest based more on how well established a developer is and how willing it is to peddle in pop culture ideals. So I'd rather TW2 didn't get GOTY.

Again, you state this because you simply do not know. I don't mean that in an offensive way, but this isn't based upon facts...it is based upon assumptions of what can be done and past games. It isn't in line with what Bethesda has done. Skyrim will win game of the year not because of its name, but because it is mind-boggling detailed, unbelievably massive and simply better in quality.

[Damariel]

MJRick wrote...

Damariel wrote...

MJRick wrote...

Damariel wrote...

sorry.

or wait...MJRick you have fun with DA2?

Yeah it was a fun game it wasn't Biowares best game ever but an improvement over Origins kid.

heh ok, interesting point ... bye.

And yes I prefer Origins

Leaving so soon? I am dissapoint kid

heh I have no need to speak with you.

[MJRick]

Damariel wrote...

MJRick wrote...

Damariel wrote...

MJRick wrote...

Damariel wrote...

sorry.

or wait...MJRick you have fun with DA2?

Yeah it was a fun game it wasn't Biowares best game ever but an improvement over Origins kid.

heh ok, interesting point ... bye.

And yes I prefer Origins

Leaving so soon? I am dissapoint kid

heh I have no need to speak with you.

Gotta go to life school and teach some manners kid?

[xCirdanx]

sympathy4saren wrote...
Again, you state this because you simply do not know. I don't mean that in an offensive way, but this isn't based upon facts...it is based upon assumptions of what can be done and past games. It isn't in line with what Bethesda has done. Skyrim will win game of the year not because of its name, but because it is mind-boggling detailed, unbelievably massive and simply better in quality.

Who cares if Skyrim wins game of the year? Not to mention that is has to be released first, and considering all the promised features i would not be surprised if it gets delayed. But we will see.

Don´t get me wrong, i´m looking forward(!) to playing it, i need a good Elder Scrolls game after Oblivion, which was subpar in my eyes.

Slimgrin´s post is based on the fact that hardware of consoles is limited and out of date. It´s a fact and nothing else. What you wrote...

"Skyrim will win game of the year not because of its name, but because it is mind-boggling detailed, unbelievably massive and simply better in quality. "

...is in fact nothing but pure speculation.

[Damariel]

when Skyrim will be released then I will play it.... when I will play it then I would say if it's better than something or not and if it's good enough to be GotY. Soo I will wait to November and I think all of you should do same thing.

But of course it's your choice

Modifié par Damariel, 01 mai 2011 - 08:39 .

[naughty99]

Damariel wrote...

when Skyrim will be released then I will play it.... when I will play it then I would say if it's better than something or not and if it's good enough to be GotY. Soo I will wait to November and I think all of you should do same thing.

^Exactly this.

Plus move your Skyrim discussion to the Skyrim thread instead of hijacking the Witcher thread

[Chromie]

sympathy4saren wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

As for environment, it is inaccurate. Environment details, even on consoles, defeat The Witcher 2 on pc. It's not a matter of pc superiority...which is right...its the fact of development time and care given with a state of the art version of the Unreal 3 engine Bethesda calls Creation.


As far as story, The Witcher 2 no doubt is more cinematic and focused on story detail. Skyrim's story will be much, much better than other TES games, though.

Skyrim does not and will not have better graphics, I'm sorry but it can't. It definitely doesn't have better art direction, we've all seen Frazzetta a thousand times, whereas the visual style in TW2 is something new, as far from cliche as you can get in a fantasy game. Also, graphical limitations are inherent in open-world games and Skyrim has other limitations being a multiplatform game, right out of the gate. 

You're wrong saying that the 360 pics of Skyrim are better than TW2. The resolution and graphical fidelity simply aren't there; they cant be, the hardware on consoles won't support it.

Do I think Skyrim will likely be great? Of course, but in different ways, and I still fear it will devolve into console bait. Will it get game of the year? That's a popularity contest based more on how well established a developer is and how willing it is to peddle in pop culture ideals. So I'd rather TW2 didn't get GOTY.

Again, you state this because you simply do not know. I don't mean that in an offensive way, but this isn't based upon facts...it is based upon assumptions of what can be done and past games. It isn't in line with what Bethesda has done. Skyrim will win game of the year not because of its name, but because it is mind-boggling detailed, unbelievably massive and simply better in quality.

First this is a WITCHER thread.

Second. Skyrim will get GotY solely based on it's name. Other wise Mass Effect 2 would have been Goty on VGA's on Spike, It won on Bafta's like it deserves.

I think it's safe to say Witcher 2 looks better graphically. Look at the forest in Witcher 2 in the first pic and Skyrim in the second. If you want it bigger right click and copy the URL in the image properties. Skyrim looks even worse.

The second set. Much more going in Witcher 2 in the 3rd picture and Skyrim looks bland and stretched ou textures in he 4th picture.

Skyrim is a good looking game but there is no way in hell that it looks better then a PC game. That is your fanboyism talking. 

Look at the 5th picture. You can see the detail. Fields in the right side near the middle. Actually see different colored grass for the crops growing. The bricks on the castle look good even the bricks that are far from view. Compared to the Skryim screenshot where the waterfall looks like plastic. The draw distance especially everything is fading yet look at the Witcher 2 you can see the horizon very clearly.

Modifié par Ringo12, 01 mai 2011 - 09:34 .

[naughty99]

There is no point comparing screenshots because so far, there have been no 1080p screenshots from PC with high res textures or other PC features released for Skyrim. Only 720p Xbox 360 screenshots.

[Chromie]

naughty99 wrote...

There is no point comparing screenshots because so far, there have been no 1080p screenshots from PC with high res textures or other PC features released for Skyrim. Only 720p Xbox 360 screenshots.

Which is my point. That guy is comparing a multiplayform game with a game specifically designed for PC hardware. No matter the res even if there were 1080p screenshots it just upscaled images really.

The PC version of Skyrim is using the same engine with the only difference I know of being is the PC will have a better framerate.

Doesn't matter though sympathy4saren I bet will still believe Skyrim will be better looking. That's like saying Crysis 2 looks better then Crysis 1. It does but after a while you realize it loooks inferior. But look stretched out textures on my PC version looks crap since I sit close to my computer at least on a console im on a couch.

Modifié par Ringo12, 01 mai 2011 - 09:40 .

[naughty99]

Ringo12 wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

There is no point comparing screenshots because so far, there have been no 1080p screenshots from PC with high res textures or other PC features released for Skyrim. Only 720p Xbox 360 screenshots.

Which is my point. That guy is comparing a multiplayform game with a game specifically designed for PC hardware. No matter the res even if there were 1080p screenshots it just upscaled images really.

The PC version of Skyrim is using the same engine with the only difference I know of being is the PC will have a better framerate.

Doesn't matter though sympathy4saren I bet will still believe Skyrim will be better looking. That's like saying Crysis 2 looks better then Crysis 1. It does but after a while you realize it loooks inferior. But look stretched out textures on my PC version looks crap since I sit close to my computer at least on a console im on a couch.

I don't wish to continue discussing Skyrim on this Witcher thread, but I would say that your statements are premature.

After Skyrim is released we can compare a 1080p Skyrim PC screenshot (with high res textures (if the game has them), as well as DX11, ambient occlusion, etc.) with the comparable Witcher 2 PC screenshot. Until that time it does not make sense to analyze and compare the low res Xbox 360 screenshot with a hi res Witcher 2 PC screenshot.

Modifié par naughty99, 01 mai 2011 - 11:29 .

[sympathy4saren]

Ringo12 wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

There is no point comparing screenshots because so far, there have been no 1080p screenshots from PC with high res textures or other PC features released for Skyrim. Only 720p Xbox 360 screenshots.

Which is my point. That guy is comparing a multiplayform game with a game specifically designed for PC hardware. No matter the res even if there were 1080p screenshots it just upscaled images really.

The PC version of Skyrim is using the same engine with the only difference I know of being is the PC will have a better framerate.

Doesn't matter though sympathy4saren I bet will still believe Skyrim will be better looking. That's like saying Crysis 2 looks better then Crysis 1. It does but after a while you realize it loooks inferior. But look stretched out textures on my PC version looks crap since I sit close to my computer at least on a console im on a couch.

You pitted The Witcher 2 in all its glory on PC vs X Box 360. Curious as to how The Witcher 2 would look on 360. I'm a PC player...wait until I get my first PC screenshots, buddy. Hopefully, too, those draw distances are traversable, too. Meaning, you see it, you can go there. Hopefully, too, The Witcher 2 doesn't have prerendered weather effects on its textures, i. e. snow, because its solely independent in Skyrim. Meaning, for example, if it starts snowing, I will see objects that were clear before accumulate snow. Or wetness from water if before it was dry, all with perfectly rendered shadows that are independent.

In The Witcher 2, if I sabotage a wood mill or a steel mill, will it effect wooden arrow availability or cost in that region? Or steel weapon availability and cost in that region? If not, tsk tsk, cd projeckt.

[slimgrin]

^Lord.

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 mai 2011 - 10:55 .

[Chromie]

slimgrin wrote...

^Lord.

Oh wait the Skyrim thread is dead

Modifié par Ringo12, 01 mai 2011 - 11:25 .

[ErichHartmann]

*Attempts to hijack thread*

So, what difficulty setting will everyone use? I plan on hard and won't adjust unless I feel too much rage from dying.

[naughty99]

ErichHartmann wrote...

So, what difficulty setting will everyone use? I plan on hard and won't adjust unless I feel too much rage from dying.

I would consider Insanity except for the perma-death thing.

Will there be significant differences between Insanity and Hard other than the permanent death?

Modifié par naughty99, 01 mai 2011 - 11:48 .

[NvVanity]

naughty99 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

So, what difficulty setting will everyone use? I plan on hard and won't adjust unless I feel too much rage from dying.

I would consider Insanity except for the perma-death thing.

Will there be significant differences between Insanity and Hard other than the permanent death?

There's a perma-death difficulty mode? My interest has been caught once again. I just now saw the combat trailer and I have to say it look very fun and innovative.

[naughty99]

NvVanity wrote...

There's a perma-death difficulty mode? My interest has been caught once again.

yes, IMO for a non-linear game it doesn't make sense, as I will probably want to load earlier saves at different points to try different dialogue options, etc.

Not to mention, unless I am dying frequently, an RPG does not feel challenging enough. So that means either (i) Insanity mode will mean constantly reloading and never getting anywhere or (ii) it will feel too easy if I am able to make it through the entire game without dying. 

I'm worried that the added features to Insanity means that Hard will not be challenging enough.

Modifié par naughty99, 02 mai 2011 - 12:03 .

[slimgrin]

naughty99 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

So, what difficulty setting will everyone use? I plan on hard and won't adjust unless I feel too much rage from dying.

I would consider Insanity except for the perma-death thing.

Will there be significant differences between Insanity and Hard other than the permanent death?

Yes, there are tactical advantages the enemy will gain.

[Chromie]

slimgrin wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

So, what difficulty setting will everyone use? I plan on hard and won't adjust unless I feel too much rage from dying.

I would consider Insanity except for the perma-death thing.

Will there be significant differences between Insanity and Hard other than the permanent death?

Yes, there are tactical advantages the enemy will gain.

They get increase health and damage also on top of the AI being more difficult.

I will definitely be trying Insanity or whatever they call it after several hard playthroughs. Perma-death just shounds like a challenge I can't turn down!

[Archaven]

I believe Bethesda has made a name for themselves much like Apple did for Iphones. Whatever released by Bethesda, crowds will be flocking over blindly... much like Dragon Age 2 only to realized they were very disappointed.

One point to note on the images of Skyrim. The picture of the tower sitting on a valley of mountains with waterfall looks really impressive. It is so detail and i believe it would kill ANY PC FPS even with decent graphics card which is far exceed consoles hardware.

Also i found that the images from Skyrim are not really consistent. Some of them looks good, some of them looks like enhanced version of Oblivion. For example, the mountain troll picture and the new Orc picture. The details of the troll looks awesome, but the background environment looks plain. The Orc picture with the overbloom log looks exactly like Oblivion with some enhanced effects.

[Chromie]

*yawn* we're passed this. We don't want it turning to a VS. thread.

[TwistedComplex]

My generic fantasy grimdark wRPG is better than your generic fantasy grimdark wRPG

[slimgrin]

Wow.

Well, it seems you've found purpose.

[Archaven]

Ringo12 wrote...

*yawn* we're passed this. We don't want it turning to a VS. thread.

It's not something that i need to make it as a Vs. thread. I'm just highlighting some of the images i've seen about Skyrim is inconsistent. Some looks really good.. some of them looks like a slight upgrade of Oblivion. Regardless i will keep an eye before jumping to conclusion that Skyrim is the best 2011 RPG.