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[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Of course it was the norm, but to me it just seems like being cruel just for the sake of being cruel which seemed out of place for Henselt, yes yes he is a dick but he never came off like that. Yes I like Henselt a lot myself but others don't and some of them would have killed him regardless of Ves or not.

Are you kidding me?  This is the guy who has an official policy of using non-humans as a scapegoat for every problem.  That is all of Northern society to an extent, but nobody makes it a specialty like Henselt does.

I find his characterization multi-faceted and realistic, but I also find him a right bastard.  We've discussed this already, though.  I do think that Geralt would not want to kill him, with it meaning that the North would sink further into chaos.

Yaevinn is a good character for what he is- a guerilla fighter.  Iorveth is more of a long-term thinker, but he takes an enormous risk in provoking a head-on confrontation with Henselt for Aedirn, even with Saskia's support.  Guerilla armies don't have a good track record in open battle with armored knights.

[Costin_Razvan]

This is the guy who has an official policy of using non-humans as a scapegoat for every problem. That is all of Northern society to an extent, but nobody makes it a specialty like Henselt does.

The problem I have with that is that it's in a trailer, narrated by Shillard of all people, and not really shown in game that Henselt is more anti-elf then other rulers are. Sure he persecutes nonhumans based on what Saskia says, but so does everyone in the North and frankly Saskia is an emotional idiot who wanted to kill Foltest because he was a "tyrant"

Not saying it can't be true, but it should be shown in the game if I am to believe it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 23 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[Addai]

I thought we established before that Henselt's non-human policy is also in his codex entry- which is Dandelion's perspective, but when you hear something from a couple sources it's hard to just discount it.

[Sebby]

What should have happened in TW1

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Forget what he tells Saskia, consider what Henselt himself says when Geralt asks him about raping Ves: "Did she complain to you? I thought she liked it, she squeaked like an unoiled hinge."

Yea like I said before, it's the mentality of "I am a king, all women would dream of getting ****ed by me."

Which as horrible as it may sound, was pretty much the norm.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 avril 2012 - 07:59 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

I thought we established before that Henselt's non-human policy is also in his codex entry- which is Dandelion's perspective, but when you hear something from a couple sources it's hard to just discount it.

It is present in several sources, including the recent epilogue cutscenes.

But, Henselt absolutely does not have any extermination policy. And he is not that different from the rest. Foltest does not have a good track record either and Demavend is probably even worse. I have no idea how nonhumans fare in Redania though.

[Costin_Razvan]

And you really think that Ves enjoyed it?

I didn't say she enjoyed it, I simply just quoted what Henselt said to prove that Henselt did indeed force her.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 23 avril 2012 - 07:59 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And you really think that Ves enjoyed it?

I didn't say she enjoyed it, I simply just quoted what Henselt said to prove that Henselt did indeed force her.

Yea I know, just edited it. Misunderstood you.

[Sebby]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Forget what he tells Saskia, consider what Henselt himself says when Geralt asks him about raping Ves: "Did she complain to you? I thought she liked it, she squeaked like an unoiled hinge."

Yea like I said before, it's the mentality of "I am a king, all women would dream of getting ****ed by me."

Which as horrible as it may sound, was pretty much the norm.

I wouldn't doubt a lot of women would dream of getting ploughed by a king tbh, not necesarily by Henselt though.

[Costin_Razvan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I thought we established before that Henselt's non-human policy is also in his codex entry- which is Dandelion's perspective, but when you hear something from a couple sources it's hard to just discount it.

It is present in several sources, including the recent epilogue cutscenes.

But, Henselt absolutely does not have any extermination policy. And he is not that different from the rest. Foltest does not have a good track record either and Demavend is probably even worse. I have no idea how nonhumans fare in Redania though.

It's kinda sad he hangs Skalen...but oh well.

Foltest in the order ending of TW1 pretty much forces the elves and dwarves to start leaving his kingdom then Demavend who launched raids on Dol Blathanna.

 
I wouldn't doubt a lot of women would dream of getting ploughed by a king tbh, not necesarily by Henselt though. 

Forget a king, women dream of getting ploughed by Beiber.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 23 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Forget what he tells Saskia, consider what Henselt himself says when Geralt asks him about raping Ves: "Did she complain to you? I thought she liked it, she squeaked like an unoiled hinge."

Yea like I said before, it's the mentality of "I am a king, all women would dream of getting ****ed by me."

Which as horrible as it may sound, was pretty much the norm.

I wouldn't doubt a lot of women would dream of getting ploughed by a king tbh, not necesarily by Henselt though.

Sadly, yes.
I don't want to get into it in detail, but a lot of sexist and / or mysogynistic attitudes are perpetuated, for one reason or another (call it brainwash, culture or genuine convinction), by women. I know that because of where I come from. I know women for instance who do not believe marital rape exists (or is that big a deal) and I could not convince them otherwise. 

[Sebby]

Speaking of ending reels, I was disappointed that the one for killing Loredo on Iorveth path is the exact same as the one from Roche's. It's weird it states an anti-Kaedweni noble rules flotsam despite the map clearly showing Kaedwen annexes it.

[Costin_Razvan]

I know women for instance who do not believe marital rape exists (or is that big a deal) and I could not convince them otherwise.

I know women here who strongly believe that many girls choose to prostitute themselves and that sex slavery is a minor thing. That's something that kind of freaks me out that they don't acknowledge the issue.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 23 avril 2012 - 08:21 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...

Speaking of ending reels, I was disappointed that the one for killing Loredo on Iorveth path is the exact same as the one from Roche's. It's weird it states an anti-Kaedweni noble rules flotsam despite the map clearly showing Kaedwen annexes it.

I was afraid that might happen

Think of it like this. After Loredo's death, an anti-Kaedweni noble took over Flotsam till after Loc Muinne, when he was kicked out. 

It is interesting to note that even though Henselt was defeated in Vergen, he kind of pulled off a Xanatos gambit. Him turning Flotsam into a military garrison pretty much means that he can block all West-East trade, essentially holding Upper Aedirn by the balls. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 avril 2012 - 08:15 .

[Sebby]

Yeah, that's how I'll headcanon it.

I was expecting the reel to involve the Scoia'tael overrunning Flotsam and killing all the guards there or something.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Apparently this is how the artificat thingy of Act 3 shows Radovid:

Image of Carduin and Radovid playing chess:

Carduin: Your move, Sir
Radovid: Yes... You see, Carduin, I like it when it's my move. And as you have rightly noticed, mage, that time has come.
Carduin: The situation on board favors you, Sire.
Radovid: Indeed. The pieces are arrayed just as I wanted.
Carduin: My queen is at a disadvantage.
Radovid: That's putting it lightly... She is cornered... Moreover, you must sacrifice your rook, and your knight cannot possibly block my bishop. In other words... checkmate, Carduin.
Carduin: I hope, Sire, that the talks in Loc Muinne play out as our game did.




Radovid, you magnificent bastard you. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 avril 2012 - 09:31 .

[Sebby]

Raddy would make a nice antagonist for a Nilfgaard or Scoia'tael path.

[Nordicus]

Seboist wrote...

Raddy would make a nice antagonist for a Nilfgaard or Scoia'tael path.

I can imagine that, but unless CDProjekt made the "final showdown" with Radovid, either a battle of minds or a duel, one of the most grandiose struggles in gaming, they would not do his character justice

Something like Emhyr var Emreis' introductory scene in the game series, when it finally comes. And yes, I'm already raising my expectations for that eventual scene

[Addai]

Siegfried worship must go along with Radovid worship, in that I understand neither. Ah well, bromance does not always translate across the double X chromosomes.

Beware too much character worship, however. Everyone has weaknesses and can blunder, even the most brilliant kings and generals. It sounds like you guys are setting up high expectations for your boy in TW3.

Modifié par Addai67, 23 avril 2012 - 11:09 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Siegfried worship must go along with Radovid worship, in that I understand neither. Ah well, bromance does not always translate across the double X chromosomes.

Beware too much character worship, however. Everyone has weaknesses and can blunder, even the most brilliant kings and generals. It sounds like you guys are setting up high expectations for your boy in TW3.

Is the word "worship" really necessary?

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And why wouldn't he support it? He greatly dislikes Phillipa and isn't afraid to use force when necessary.

That doesn't mean he wants to kill all mages. 

It's possible that he supported it, and I would consider that act stupid. Understandable, but stupid. 
From what I see, I think Radovid is too intelligent and pragmatic to give in to indiscriminate hate, especially considering how useful mages can be, and was simply unable to stop the crazed soldiers and the angry mobs.

Either way, he would have failed, but one failure fits his character more I feel (the latter).

 

I am aware of that. 

Not to mention the fact that he was clearly outplayed by Nilfgaard. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[slimgrin]

I reserve my worship for the ladies.

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 avril 2012 - 11:44 .

[slimgrin]

Jan Bartkowicz wrote...

No regrets. I left because I wanted to do something else. Next FWH game has no chance to be as epic as TW2 (it's a small budget FPS). For me it's all about learning new stuff.

Pleeeeese say it's a sequel to Hard Reset. 

[Czaynik]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am aware of that. 

Not to mention the fact that he was clearly outplayed by Nilfgaard. 

I wouldn't be so sure. If Temerians whose country is collapsing were aware of Nilgaardian armies stationed at the border, it would be foolish to assume that Radovid wasn't with his extensive intelligence network. Quite contrary, he must have know about it and took that into account when playing his game.

I will not be surprised if Radovid pulls out an ace from his sleeve. As stated in one of trailers, he had been preparing his country for war for quite some time. Plus, now he was the fanatical Order at his disposal.

Modifié par Czaynik, 23 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Addai67 wrote...

Siegfried worship must go along with Radovid worship, in that I understand neither. Ah well, bromance does not always translate across the double X chromosomes.

Beware too much character worship, however. Everyone has weaknesses and can blunder, even the most brilliant kings and generals. It sounds like you guys are setting up high expectations for your boy in TW3.

As a huge Siegfriend fan I can say I love his honesty, true honor, morals and skill at arms. He really is a true Paladin and in no way hypocritical if you side with Order. He turns out for the worst if you don't though.