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[KnightofPhoenix]

TobiTobsen wrote...
The whole "don't save Triss" scenario is pretty damn horrifying. Don't think that I could choose/stomach that path again.

It's good that they show us the consequences of our actions and not just tell it as it was pre-EE (and more or less all Bioware games). I still prefer to help Roche, but it is a difficult decision.

Strangely enough when I did that, I did not get the cutscene of Kaedwenis trying to rape a mage. Rather I got to see a sorceress that's gone crazy and who tells us about the madness. And then I get to kill Temerian knights who are out looking for the "traitor", which I assume is Roche.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...
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Here's what Geralt says about Philippa after killing the Dragon in Iorveth path.

Geralt is an endangered species preservation activist at heart.

[Costin_Razvan]

It's good that they show us the consequences of our actions and not just tell it as it was pre-EE (and more or less all Bioware games). I still prefer to help Roche, but it is a difficult decision.

It might that the best situation for the North is Henselt alive and Triss saved on Roche's path. I hate to say it but it could be true.

 
Geralt is an endangered species preservation activist at heart.  

He's just very angry he had to kill Saskia there.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[TobiTobsen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...
The whole "don't save Triss" scenario is pretty damn horrifying. Don't think that I could choose/stomach that path again.

It's good that they show us the consequences of our actions and not just tell it as it was pre-EE (and more or less all Bioware games).

That's for sure. The whole decision pre EE was pretty underwhelming and had to be filled by headcanon.

[Sebby]

The attempted rape happens on Iorveth path afaik.

[TobiTobsen]

Seboist wrote...

The attempted rape happens on Iorveth path afaik.

It does happen on Iorveth's path, yes.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 24 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It's good that they show us the consequences of our actions and not just tell it as it was pre-EE (and more or less all Bioware games). I still prefer to help Roche, but it is a difficult decision.

It might that the best situation for the North is Henselt alive and Triss saved on Roche's path. I hate to say it but it could be true.

I've thought about it and I am not sure that's the case.

In order for either the North or Nilfgaard to win, both the East and West fronts need to be secured. If Nilfgaard wins at one front, the North is finished. Kaedwen already annexed Aedirn for all intents and purposes. I do not think Kaedwen has nearly enough troops to control Aedirn and Upper Aedirn and half of Temeria with it. We know that barons and nobles are easily swayed by Nilfgaard and if Kaedwen fails to impose order in Temeria, a lot of them could slip into Nilfgaardian hands.

Furthermore, while I do think Redania has enough military strength to control half of Temeria, the fact remains that Radovid does not have Anais, thus does not have that strong of a legitimacy amongst nobles. Nobles who again can be bought by Nilfgaard. Both Kaedweni and Redanian control over Temeria would be weak at best.

So in that situation, I think the western front in Temeria is pretty fragile.

If Radovid has Anais however, he can establish order in Temeria much more quickly and with much more legitimacy and thus secure the Western front better while Kaedwen focuses entriely on the Eastern front.

That imo is the best chance the North has, albeit the witch hunts will definitely be a hindrance.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I think the majority of counts and barons of Temeria despise Nilfgaard with a passion and I doubt many of them could be bought off by the Emperor and Radovid is still married for Adda if she still alive so that's his legitimacy.

As for Kaedwen. It controls Upper Aedirn but it doesn't control Aedirn itself, though yes Henselt will definitely have a harder time then Radovid, even if Adda is dead. Still at the battle of Sodden Hill a mere 20 mages greatly helped against Nilfgaard. So while the north will be stronger if Anais is given to Radovid and Henselt is alive they will have to fight without mages.

Some of these mages will likely join Nilfgaard out of desperation if nothing else.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[Sebby]

EE doesn't mention what happens to Mary Louisa La Valette if Aryan is dead beyond what was previously stated that she's collaborating in whatever capacity with the black ones.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think the majority of counts and barons of Temeria despise Nilfgaard with a passion and I doubt many of them could be bought off by the Emperor and Radovid is still married for Adda if she still alive so that's his legitimacy.

As for Kaedwen. It controls Upper Aedirn but it doesn't control Aedirn itself, though yes Henselt will definitely have a harder time then Radovid, even if Adda is dead. Still at the battle of Sodden Hill a mere 20 mages greatly helped against Nilfgaard. So while the north will be stronger if Anais is given to Radovid and Henselt is alive they will have to fight without mages.

Nobles and barons look for their own interests. We know that even in Redania, many barons and nobles licked Nilfgaardian boots when Vizimir died. I do think Nilfgaard can sway many of them. Heck, Louisa hates Nilfgaard and yet she accepted Nilfgaardian "protection."
Adda offers little to no legitimacy as the game already showed. She is the product of incest and more, she was cursed, twice. Henselt and all the nobles of Temeria refused to recognize her as heir.

Aedirn becomes a Kaedweni protectorate, as the Aedirnian knight says and even Dethmold says that was Henselt's goal from the beginning. Eitherway, with Saskia defeated and the Aedirnian army being virtually non-existent, Kaedwen is the only one who can secure the Eastern front.

It is possible that the witch hunts would stop when people learn of the Nilfgaardian invasion and that mages might still want to oppose Nilfgaard, which doesn't have that good of a track record when it comes to mage rights either. But the mages won't be organized like they would have been if the Council and Conclave are established, so it's definitely a disadvantage.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 avril 2012 - 06:17 .

[Sebby]

Wouldn't the north be more stable and better prepared to to fight with Stennis as King of Aedirn and a cured Saskia as Queen of Upper Aedirn? They'd have no choice but to de facto accept her realm with the black ones invading and they'd have a Dragon on their side(even if they don't know it).

[Costin_Razvan]

Nobles and barons look for their own interests.

Certainly they do, but Louisa is a desperate woman with children to consider in that situation and no one to help her except her uncle. I do think the nobles were looking to try and keep their titles if the last war with Nilfgaard had been lost. I do have a hard time believing someone like Kimbolt would strike a deal with Nilfgaard though.

Adda offers little to no legitimacy as the game already showed. She is the product of incest and more, she was cursed, twice. Henselt and all the nobles of Temeria refused to recognize her as heir.

Henselt refused to recognize her because he wanted to split Temeria in half and Natalis states that they would looked more favorably on Anais then Adda...for the obvious reason that Adda is Radovid's wife.

 
It is possible that the witch hunts would stop when people learn of the Nilfgaardian invasion and that mages might still want to oppose Nilfgaard 

When the mages are responsible in the eyes of the people for the deaths of Foltest and Demavend? You can be your ass they would only get worse, a lot worse, once the war begins.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...

Wouldn't the north be more stable and better prepared to to fight with Stennis as King of Aedirn and a cured Saskia as Queen of Upper Aedirn? They'd have no choice but to de facto accept her realm with the black ones invading and they'd have a Dragon on their side(even if they don't know it).

Aedirn is hopeless eitherway, but I do see the appeal of a strong Upper Aedirn that can motivate nonhumans, including Scoia'Tael to fight Nilfgaard and coordinate with the rest.
I have problems with Saskia's implementation of her vision (without Eilhart at her side), but I do think her vision is or should be the wave of the future in the North. Something that Radovid sort of hints at when he says the knighthood is in danger.

But while the Eastern front can be solid, I'd still worry over the Western front. For me, the best chance the Western front has is for Radovid to have Anais.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Certainly they do, but Louisa is a desperate woman with children to consider in that situation and no one to help her except her uncle. I do think the nobles were looking to try and keep their titles if the last war with Nilfgaard had been lost. I do have a hard time believing someone like Kimbolt would strike a deal with Nilfgaard though.

Maybe not Kimbolt (who is known to be a hater of Nilfgaard), but the rest? I would not be surprised at all.
If Nilfgaard is doing well in the war, they'd start buying the loyalty of many barons. And pit them against each other.

Henselt refused to recognize her because he wanted to split Temeria in half and Natalis states that they would looked more favorably on Anais then Adda...for the obvious reason that Adda is Radovid's wife.

And as the EE clearly show, they don't recognize her at all and would rather split Temeria into provinces than recognize her. Natalis was just being polite or has no idea what's going on.
Radovid does not have legitimacy in Temeria without Anais.

[Aeowyn]

timj2011 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

timj2011 wrote...

Hey, sorry if this is kinda random, but yesterday I had my first fight with Letho (chapter 1) and when it ended and I was standing in the bath house, my sword was gone. (regular, not silver)

Has this happened to anybody else? I really liked the setup I had too.

It's in a loot bag on the floor where you fought Letho.

I know exactly what bag you are talking about, but it had a different sword.

Just a bug I guess, no big deal.

Yeah that's Letho's sword since he just throws away his as well. Just search for a bit in the room, your sword should be there. (just did that last night and had to look for a while before I found my sword)

[Sebby]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Wouldn't the north be more stable and better prepared to to fight with Stennis as King of Aedirn and a cured Saskia as Queen of Upper Aedirn? They'd have no choice but to de facto accept her realm with the black ones invading and they'd have a Dragon on their side(even if they don't know it).

Aedirn is hopeless eitherway, but I do see the appeal of a strong Upper Aedirn that can motivate nonhumans, including Scoia'Tael to fight Nilfgaard and coordinate with the rest.
I have problems with Saskia's implementation of her vision (without Eilhart at her side), but I do think her vision is or should be the wave of the future in the North. Something that Radovid sort of hints at when he says the knighthood is in danger.

But while the Eastern front can be solid, I'd still worry over the Western front. For me, the best chance the Western front has is for Radovid to have Anais.

My ideal outcome in TW3 for my Iorveth path Geralt is for Upper and "lower" Aedirn to merge into one eaglitarian state with Saskia and Stennis entering a marriage of political convenience.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...
My ideal outcome in TW3 for my Iorveth path Geralt is for Upper and "lower" Aedirn to merge into one eaglitarian state with Saskia and Stennis entering a marriage of political convenience.

lol he'd have one heck of a surprise. Make sure Saskia doesn't get drunk.

[Sebby]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Seboist wrote...
My ideal outcome in TW3 for my Iorveth path Geralt is for Upper and "lower" Aedirn to merge into one eaglitarian state with Saskia and Stennis entering a marriage of political convenience.

lol he'd have one heck of a surprise. Make sure Saskia doesn't get drunk.

Poor guy would get squished if something were to go wrong in the bedchamber.

[Costin_Razvan]

And as the EE clearly show

Because, as I've stated time and again, they've done a **** job at making W1 choices matter in W2 except Siegfried, who even he is just barely on the level of cameo of Bioware.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And as the EE clearly show

Because, as I've stated time and again, they've done a **** job at making W1 choices matter in W2 except Siegfried, who even he is just barely on the level of cameo of Bioware.

I don't agree with that. I think Adda has a very poor claim to the throne. She is a bastard (not the product of marriage), she is the product of incest, and twice she was a monster. Why the **** would anyone recognize her as heir?
And we had one merchant in TW1 being utterly disgusted by her.

On top of it all, she was stupid in TW1.

And Siegfried was more than a cameo, he has an impact on the Anais quest.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[Sebby]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And as the EE clearly show

Because, as I've stated time and again, they've done a **** job at making W1 choices matter in W2 except Siegfried, who even he is just barely on the level of cameo of Bioware.

There's much more they could have done with the TW1 imports that I try not to think about it too much like with the Scoia'tael path, Roche could have been more antagonistic and suspicious of Geralt due to his prior history with them once he learns they had a hand in Foltest's assasination. Hell, they prolly could have had Yaevinn be the one that breaks Geralt out of prison. Either way, this would have given the player more reason to end up with Iorveth and possibly have avoided the Arachas fight(like how Geralt avoids fighting the Order's knights if he decides to give Anais to Natalis if Siegfried is GM).

[Costin_Razvan]

Because she was Foltest's heir before she was married to Radovid, and the opinion of one merchant is irrelevant to me. Foltest himself states the reason they wouldn't accept Adda is because she is married to Radovid, everything else is just speculation on your part trying to deny a basic truth: TW1 import choices are a ****ing joke. They just give us throwaway dialogue in there in some situations but it's clear as day that they didn't give a damn to allocate resources to make them relevant.

 
And Siegfried was more than a cameo, he has an impact on the Anais quest.  

Oh yeah, allowing you to exit when you are taking Anais to Natalis without having to fight a few Knights if he is alive and grandmaster, that sure is a difference.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 06:56 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...
There's much more they could have done with the TW1 imports that I try not to think about it too much like with the Scoia'tael path, Roche could have been more antagonistic and suspicious of Geralt due to his prior history with them once he learns they had a hand in Foltest's assasination. Hell, they prolly could have had Yaevinn be the one that breaks Geralt out of prison. Either way, this would have given the player more reason to end up with Iorveth and possibly have avoided the Arachas fight(like how Geralt avoids fighting the Order's knights if he decides to give Anais to Natalis if Siegfried is GM).

Yes but keep in mind that when they made TW!, they had no idea it would be that succesful and they had no idea they'd make a sequel. That and TW1's story is mostly irrelevent to TW2's.

Siding with the Scoia'Tael in TW1 does affect TW2, in that the Order considers you an enemy off the bat and try to kill you. You get an encounter in Act 2 in Henselt's camp as well.

I don't agree with Yaevinn showing up again, he clearly left Temeria and his presence would challenge Iorveth's control over the Socia'Tael. What we could have had is more dialogue about Yaevinn, with Socia'Tael members tha we don't get to inteact with (which is dissapointing).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Because she was Foltest's heir before she was married to Radovid, and the opinion of one merchant is irrelevant to me. Foltest himself states the reason they wouldn't accept Adda is because she is married to Radovid, everything else is just speculation on your part trying to deny a basic truth

Fotlest imposed her as official heir (you know, the kind that says "****** on the laws"), that does not mean anyone genuinely accepted her. It's not speculation, it's logic. If Henselt uses that as his official argument (I don't care about his ulterior motives) and it's a pretty good one. With Foltest prematurely dead and unable to secure her succesion, there is no reason for anyone to accept her as heir. She fails in all qualifications. A bastard, a product of incest and a freaking *monster* who clearly cannot be cured from her curse permanently.

EDIT: and what's all the complaining about if you believe that they refuse to accept Adda because of Radovid? Then they still don't accept her because she is still married to Radovid. How's a better import system going to change that?

 
And Siegfried was more than a cameo, he has an impact on the Anais quest.  

Oh yeah, allowing to exit without having to fight a few Knights if he alive and grandmaster, that sure is a difference.

Yes it is.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 avril 2012 - 07:04 .

[Costin_Razvan]

and what's all the complaining about if you believe that they refuse to accept Adda because of Radovid? Then they still don't accept her because she is still married to Radovid. How's a better import system going to change that?

Because Adda is not mentioned in the conference unless you give Anais to Radovid. Anais has a weaker case then Adda has, say what will you she wasn't official recognized by Foltest like Adda was. I refuse to believe Radovid would not use Adda, but he doesn't.

And excuse me if I don't feel the need to praise CDPR when they made TW1 a completely irrelevant game except for Siegfried being Grandmaster and the weapons and armor you can import.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 07:10 .