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[Sebby]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yes but keep in mind that when they made TW!, they had no idea it would be that succesful and they had no idea they'd make a sequel. That and TW1's story is mostly irrelevent to TW2's.

Yeah, I tend to cut them some slack due them being a new independant eastern european game dev and for how awesome TW1 and 2 turned out to be. Still a bit bummed that W2 largely assumes Geralt was Neutral in TW1 though.

Siding with the Scoia'Tael in TW1 does affect TW2, in that the Order considers you an enemy off the bat and try to kill you. You get an encounter in Act 2 in Henselt's camp as well.

I don't agree with Yaevinn showing up again, he clearly left Temeria and his presence would challenge Iorveth's control over the Socia'Tael. What we could have had is more dialogue about Yaevinn, with Socia'Tael members tha we don't get to inteact with (which is dissapointing).

I would have liked at least a journal entry(like the added Shani one in EE) or some messenger telling me what he's up to nowadays.

You know, it says a lot about the quality of this series when I'm invested into the handling of my least liked character in the sequel.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Because Adda is not mentioned in the conference unless you give Anais to Radovid. Anais has a weaker case then Adda has, say what will you she wasn't official recognized by Foltest like Adda was.

And excuse me if I don't feel the need to praise CDPR when they made TW1 a completely irrelevant game except for Siegfried being Grandmaster and the weapons and armor you can import.

Yes because starting a war to reclaim his children and then saying to Shilard (and I am assuming everyone else) that they are his heirs is not recognition at all. People are not stupid, Fotlest clearly did all this to make Boussy (and by extension Anais if he dies) his heir. Adda has little to no claim unless you believe everyone in Temeria is daft and willing to ignore how ****ed up she is.

And Radovid does use Adda when claiming Temeria, when he sent an evnoy to Henselt.
Sure Radovid could have said one line about Adda, but he's not stupid, I think he realizes that she's useless. She becomes useful when he is re-assuring people that Anais will be well taken care of, by family.

Praise or don't praise, I don't give a damn, that's not the point.  

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 avril 2012 - 07:15 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Praise or don't praise, I don't give a damn, that's not the point

Well, don't be surprised if I do give a damn for that kind of stuff. Regardless of how well they wrote some of the stuff ( Like Shanni's journal) the point still stands: They choose to not develop these choices as they should have been developed and that's my problem.

I did not let this slide when TW2 was released and I won't forget about it even now, until the day TW3 and CDPR actually does it properly with TW2 choices. Otherwise the entirty of TW2 will become just as pointless as TW1 is now.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 07:17 .

[Sebby]

Is that Vivaldi bank representative in Iorveth path in Vergen tied to any imports or no?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Praise or don't praise, I don't give a damn, that's not the point

Well, don't be surprised if I do give a damn for that kind of stuff. Regardless of how well they wrote some of the stuff ( Like Shanni's codex ) the point still stands: They choose to not develop these choices as they should have been developed and that's my problem.

I don't give a damn about you praising them or not, that's what I meant.

I don't think their import was ideal either, but I don't think it's ****, especially when it comes to Adda.  Nor do I think TW1 should be that relevent for TW2 as it's a completely different story and yes I wanted it to be a different story as TW1's story was self-contained to begin with and it was concluded.

TW2 was designed with a sequel in mind and with a post-game save. Have some faith.
Of course I will not tolerate the same kind of import system from the second to the third, but that's because TW2 was set to be the introduction of the conflict.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Mr.House]

For the first time I agree with Costin. Also don't forget the thing with Shani. The importing was utter crap. FFS FAO > DA2 and ME>ME2>ME3 had better importing then TW > TW2 importing and that's just sad. Hopefully they do a better job with TW2>TW3 importing if they do it.

Modifié par Mr.House, 24 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Seboist wrote...

Is that Vivaldi bank representative in Iorveth path in Vergen tied to any imports or no?

No.

 
TW2 was designed with a sequel in mind and with a post-game save. Have some faith. 

Forget ****ing Adda, after the **** they pulled with Shani, and yes I did care a lot about her and while the journal is nice the underlying problem remains: They forced Triss on Geralt for TW2 regardless of past choices, well explained or not.

I won't have faith in their save game import for TW3. I will see it for myself and if they do it well I will praise them for it, if not...well then CDPR will sink to the same level of Bioware in my eyes.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Forget ****ing Adda, after the **** they pulled with Shani, and yes I did care a lot about her, I won't have faith in their save game import for TW3. I will see it for myself and if they do it well I will praise them for it, if not...well then CDPR will sink to the same level of Bioware in my eyes.

lol alright, your prerogative.

[Costin_Razvan]

FAO > DA2 and ME>ME2>ME3 had better importing then TW > TW2

Eh I wouldn't agree about DA:O to DA2. Sure there were things like that Bhelen quest but considering the bull**** they pulled with Leliana and Anders...well I wouldn't praise them.

But yes, ME as a series had a much better import system.

 
lol alright, your prerogative.  

I am just being cynical instead of optimistic. That way I won't smash a keyboard if they decide to ignore the Roche vs Iorveth choice and the Act 3 choice in TW3. I was optimistic for Shani in TW2 before it came out and then when the game started with Geralt in bed with Triss I cursed quite loudly.

On another note: Seems Nilfgaard smashed all resistance in their path. In the last war they were stopped at Brenna, this time they are almost at Vizima.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 07:31 .

[TobiTobsen]

Seboist wrote...

My ideal outcome in TW3 for my Iorveth path Geralt is for Upper and "lower" Aedirn to merge into one eaglitarian state with Saskia and Stennis entering a marriage of political convenience.

Mr. "It's my gods given right to rule over you peasants, you should be glad for that" and Ms. "liberté, égalité, fraternité" in a political marriage? I don't think that would work out so well.

And doesn't the game tell us that Stennis is pretty easy to manipulate? I would bet that he would be the first monarch of the north to swear allegiance to Nilfgaard if they are winning and would garantue him that he could rule his kindom like Francesca is ruling the Valley of Flowers.

But maybe my opinion is influenced by my bias against Stennis in that matter.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 24 avril 2012 - 07:31 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 
lol alright, your prerogative.  

I am just being cynical instead of optimistic. That way I won't smash a keyboard if they decide to ignore the Roche vs Iorveth choice and the Act 3 choice in TW3.

There is a difference between being cynical and just outright saying that they will do a ****ty work because of what they did between TW1 and 2 despite being a completely different situation.

I am not optimistic, I said it before. I am only expecting cameos, dialogues different, some minor differences in some quests and the outcome of the war to be influenced to an extent behind the screen as I don't believe Geralt will be involved directly.

I am not expecting anything game changing. But who knows what CDPR will do. I have enough faith in them to be certain that they will at the very least do what I said above.

[Costin_Razvan]

I'd hope the story of TW3 will be in Nilfgaard instead of the North so they could do what you are suggesting, but who knows.

I expect Ciri to be there though. I think the WIld Hunt will continue to be a subplot whereas the main plot will be about Emhyr.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 07:36 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Give me a Letho cameo and I'll be a happy camper.

[Sebby]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Seboist wrote...

My ideal outcome in TW3 for my Iorveth path Geralt is for Upper and "lower" Aedirn to merge into one eaglitarian state with Saskia and Stennis entering a marriage of political convenience.

Mr. "It's my gods given right to rule over you peasants, you should be glad for that" and Ms. "liberté, égalité, fraternité" in a political marriage? I don't think that would work out so well.

And doesn't the game tell us that Stennis is pretty easy to manipulate? I would bet that he would be the first monarch of the north to swear allegiance to Nilfgaard if they are winning and would garantue him that he could rule his kindom like Francesca is ruling the Valley of Flowers.

But maybe my opinion is influenced by my bias against Stennis in that matter.

The flashback of King Stennis states he became "sensitive to the plight of his subjects" and a war with the black ones could change him a lot. He could be moved by the nonhumans' struggle to liberate Aedirn from them... or something along those lines.

[Addai]

Seboist wrote...

Is that Vivaldi bank representative in Iorveth path in Vergen tied to any imports or no?

I figured this was an import of helping Vivaldi and/or the Scoia'tael in TW1.  So does everyone meet him, and does everyone get the option to Axii him for more money?

[Costin_Razvan]

Give me a quest where you have a situation like Grissom Academy and Jack and how it changed whether or not she is alive and I will be quite happy about it.

 
I figured this was an import of helping Vivaldi and/or the Scoia'tael in TW1.  So does everyone meet him, and does everyone get the option to Axii him for more money? 

Yes everyone meets him. Just like everyone meets Thaler's messanger.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 avril 2012 - 07:38 .

[Dave of Canada]

Having just seen the outro....

I'm impressed.

I'm more than impressed, I couldn't stop smirking.

[Mr.House]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Having just seen the outro....

I'm impressed.

I'm more than impressed, I couldn't stop smirking.

Dave liking something about TW2? WHAT HAVE YOU DOne TO DAVE

Modifié par Mr.House, 24 avril 2012 - 07:40 .

[Sebby]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Give me a Letho cameo and I'll be a happy camper.

I think it'd be best for him to send those two school of the viper Witchers to assist Geralt so he could keep his word of never been seen again.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Yes everyone meets him. Just like everyone meets Thaler's messanger.

Ah, well.  I think the idea of importing things from one game to another is overrated.  I've never seen it done particularly well and I'd rather the devs spend time crafting new quests and narrative rather than engineering plot flags.  TW3 will already be complicated enough with all the world states that can result from TW2.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Mr.House wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Having just seen the outro....

I'm impressed.

I'm more than impressed, I couldn't stop smirking.

Dave liking something about TW2? WHAT HAVE YOU DOne TO DAVE

I thought he liked TW2 from before.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Yes everyone meets him. Just like everyone meets Thaler's messanger.

Ah, well.  I think the idea of importing things from one game to another is overrated.  I've never seen it done particularly well and I'd rather the devs spend time crafting new quests and narrative rather than engineering plot flags.  TW3 will already be complicated enough with all the world states that can result from TW2.

I share that sentiment. I prefer to see consequences in game and consequences to previous choices to have an impact in the bg and the setting. It's not feasible to have it any other way as it stands. 

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Having just seen the outro....

I'm impressed.

I'm more than impressed, I couldn't stop smirking.

The outro made me want to work for the white flame dancing the graves of his enemies more than ever.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Great Sun rises.

It is rather impressive that I like every faction in this game. I like Kaedwen and Henselt. I like Redania and Radovid. I like the Lodge and Philippa. I like Upper Aedirn and Saskia. I like the kingslayers and Letho. And I like Nilfgaard and Shilard, and I like Emhyr already.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Yes everyone meets him. Just like everyone meets Thaler's messanger.

Ah, well.  I think the idea of importing things from one game to another is overrated.  I've never seen it done particularly well and I'd rather the devs spend time crafting new quests and narrative rather than engineering plot flags.  TW3 will already be complicated enough with all the world states that can result from TW2.

Then I'd rather have them not even try instead of half assing it like in TW2.