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[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 
Work for shops, work with blacksmiths, trade with food or items, craft, domestic workers...etc  

Again this is something we are never shown or told. 

I guess because they assumed that their players are rational and can grasp the obvious?

Then tell me, what do you think they do? Kill and steal?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I think he said old elves in general, not just senile. But yes it's a failure since they refuse to allow the Scoia'Tel there and the Scoia'Tel...well there's quite a lot of them.

 
I guess because they assumed that their players are rational and can grasp the obvious? 

Then tell me, what do you think they do? Kill and steal?  

I'd imagine they do what a lot of gypsies do here. Beg and steal. That's my rational explanation.

Before you blame the humans for this. Let me point out that for the gypsies ( yes going with that analogy ) they do have access to free education and are not actively repressed. Did that help them? Not really. Though there are some who have become very sucessful, true, there aren't that many of them.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[Qjuad]

 

Again this is something we are never shown or told by well anyone. Hell I wouldn't even go so far as to say the Scoia'Tel are a lot more useful then they are: Cedric, Iorveth, The Craftsman etc.

The game doesn't show what most of the human peasants do either but we can assume they make a living somehow that doesn't involve buy the players junk/selling the player junk. If you give them the benefit of the doubt you should at least extend that to the peasant elves. The game doesn't have to spell it out.

The dwarves adaptibility is unsurprising when you consider they've always had a history of subjugation - they've simply had one oppressor traded for another.

EDIT: wow, thread moves fast! apologies if i've said anything said before above. ha.

Modifié par Qjuad, 27 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[Costin_Razvan]

In the game we see human brickmaters, lumberjacks, fishersmen, traders, inkeepers. Etc. This is something the games show us.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 
I guess because they assumed that their players are rational and can grasp the obvious? 

Then tell me, what do you think they do? Kill and steal?  

I'd imagine they do what a lot of gypsies do here. Beg and steal. That's my rational explanation.

Show me a single elf that begged then. Two can play at this game.

But it's a waste of time, evidently you already made up your mind about it and the extremism that you told me you have is clearly at play here.

[slimgrin]

Nordicus wrote...

I'm talking about TW2 specifically, and she hardly helps constantly, or even usually since she's kidnapped in the first damn Act and not seen again until a point in Act 3 determined by the player.

The biggest compliment Triss gets from other sorcerers is "full of potential" but they generally consider her weak and naïve, they talk down to her, do not involve her in the Lodge's plans, the politicians of Temeria quite frankly ignore her, at least 2 of the times she casts spells end up as "heroic sacrifices" or miscalculations, and she's motivated by love

Maybe they are underestimating her? I'm not apt to always believe a bunch of vain sorceresses and politicians when they themsleves get duped  in the game. Triss helps quite a lot before the kidnapping: the dragon, the landing in Flotsam, the knowledge about the Kayren, helping Geralt recover his memory, helping Geralt interrogate the elf in the barge.

Modifié par slimgrin, 27 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I made up my mind long ago about this, ever since playing TW1. I saw how siding with the Scoia'Tel turned out for everyone ( since I did side with them originally ). Seriously I do not see any potential for the elves in the future except as forming a part of Lormark's army. Maybe there would be a few like Cedric and Francesca but that's a minority.

I've always argued the City Elves were useless in DA:O though I saw the potential for the Dalish Elves and the nation they could form at Ostagar, so are you honestly surprised when I don't see the potential for the elves in the witcher world are more useless the city elves or Scoia'Tel?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[Qjuad]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I made up my mind long about this. Seriously I do not see any potential for the elves in the future except as forming a part of Lormark's army

Upper Aedirn! How dare you use the conqueror's nomenclature

[Costin_Razvan]

Upper Aedirn seems a rather stupid name for the country. How about the Free Pontar?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Upper Aedirn seems a rather stupid name for the country. How about the Free Pontar?

That's what I call it in my blog.
But since Saskia seems to be appealing to proto-nationalist sentiment as well ("Aedirnian earth"), then Upper Aedirn makes sense.

And I see potential in the elves. I don't think they will ever be as practically useful as dwarves. But their potential seems to be more in the higher arts and culture.

And no, I am not surprised by your position.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Meh, if they had what the Dalish do in terms of scholars then I'd agree with you. But maybe all those people went to the Valley of Flowers. I do believe I stated some time ago that if there is ever going to be a future for the elves it's going to come from there and not the Pontar Valley.

Yes the Pontar Valley is a puppet state but so is Mahakham.

Speaking about being useful to society. Who do you think will benefit the north more? The Free Pontar or the mages?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[Nordicus]

slimgrin wrote...

Maybe they are underestimating her? I'm not apt to always believe a bunch of vain sorceresses and politicians when they themsleves get duped  in the game.

And yet that would make hardly any difference to her "underdog with something to prove" status as underestimation is what antagonists do when they deal with underdogs

Plus there's no reason for Philippa to lie when she says "No, Triss is not nearly powerful enough" to Geralt after saying that she senses a magical presence at the other side of the mist, and Geralt asks if it could be Triss.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Speaking about being useful to society. Who do you think will benefit the north more? The Free Pontar or the mages?

In the long run, the Free Pontar. Its new ideals of centralized government, equality and a striving towards meritocracy is a needed change for a feudal society that still has people priviliged because of their birth.

[Costin_Razvan]

Fair enough, that's reasonable and I do agree with that. 

But then I have to ask: Saving Triss vs freeing Saskia, what is better? Maybe leaving Iorveth to the soldiers once you saved Triss would be better ( without killing Saskia ). Since if I recall Geralt never told Zoltan that Phillipa was controlling her.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

If you are betting on Philippa still being able to be active in the pontar, yes.

[Costin_Razvan]

Do you think there is any reason she wouldn't be able to be in that situation? Certainly she is on the list of mages Radovid wants hanged but I think she is smart enough to manipulate Saskia without revealing herself.

[KnightofPhoenix]

We don't really know if Philippa can control Saskia over long distances. The Council and COnclave is providing its full support to Radovid to hunt down the Lodge and Philippa will be number one on the list. It seems more likely to me that Eilhart will escape to the Valley of Flowers. I don't know if she can control Saskia from there.

[Costin_Razvan]

I would think Sile would be number 1, if she is alive. I mean Radovid doesn't know that Phillipa was the one in charge.

Also Phillipa could find a mage with a megascope to set up in Vergen through which Phillipa could comunicate with Saskia directly over long dinstance, and yes it would work since the spell just makes Saskia trust Phillipa completely.

What are your plans for Iorveth's path in regards to the choice?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[Sebby]

Quick ?, does Iorveth say anything unique in Chapter 2 if you imported an Order save?

[Costin_Razvan]

No.

[Sebby]

I must say finding out how much TW2 doesn't acknowledge from an import is quite fascinating.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I would think Sile would be number 1, if she is alive. I mean Radovid doesn't know that Phillipa was the one in charge.

Also Phillipa could find a mage with a megascope to set up in Vergen through which Phillipa could comunicate with Saskia directly over long dinstance, and yes it would work since the spell just makes Saskia trust Phillipa completely.

What are your plans for Iorveth's path in regards to the choice?

Radovid knows Philippa too well to not suspect that she is in charge. And even if she wasn't, she's his biggest threat.

Too many factors in play which makes  the situation hard to predict. Could be possible. Could not, I don't know. Too many unknown variables.

Help Iorveth, free Saskia from the spell. And before you say anything, I am role playing Geralt that way. If it was up to what my canon Geralt would do, he wouldnt' even side with Iorveth to begin with.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[Costin_Razvan]

True enough then. Forgot how much Radovid wants Phillipa dealt with.

And by the way you RP Geralt you mean that more aggressive Geralt you once told me about? I always saved Saskia myself, mostly because I thought that what happened at Loc Muinne with the mages wouldn't spread to the entire north. Still knowing it does make me even consider changing my cannon Roche Geralt...not that I will do it but still, it is worth thinking about.

I would hope some choices can blow up in your face though. Some do already but I would hope they take a step further.

What do you do with Loredo and Stennis though?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 avril 2012 - 05:48 .

[android654]

So I just saved Dandelion (huge upgrade form his character model in TW1) an had a few conversations with the team. I have to say Triss is coming off really abrasive for some reason. I can't put my finger on it, just hope there isn't a forced alignment between her and Geralt, but I'm pretty sure there will be.

Does anyone know if there's a way to save the other two people in the Flotsam hanging? Just curious if I could save the elf and the thief.

[Costin_Razvan]

There is no way, and yes the romance if forced.