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[Costin_Razvan]

Naughty Bear wrote...

I am really starting to like Iorveth, joined him instead of Roche. If what he says is true about Foltest.

Foltest wouldn't damn his own children to stay in power, though yes he did allow the Elder races to be oppressed. Iorveth helped Letho murder him so he could help Saskia.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 02:41 .

[slimgrin]

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Modifié par slimgrin, 29 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[TobiTobsen]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

I am really starting to like Iorveth, joined him instead of Roche. If what he says is true about Foltest.

Foltest wouldn't damn his own children to stay in power, though yes he did allow the Elder races to be oppressed. Iorveth helped Letho murder him so he could help Saskia.

I liked Foltest. I was sad to see him die. He was like Henselt without the assclown attitude.

Fighting with his men, actually knowing them... caring for his people. Without the whole "I don't care for non-humans" attitude he would have been pretty awesome. With it... well... he was still cool.

[Sebby]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

But elves are usually good among themselves, it´s other races they see
below them (that is, any other race) that they are cruel towards if they
have the chance.

Yeah, I know.

It's just that to me it seems like Sapkowski wanted to portray most Scoia'Tael as gung-ho "RARGH KILL ALL HUMANS, PUSH THEM TO THE SEA, FREEDOM RARGH", with a very few exceptions like Toruviel.

Which I think, is the reason why most people can't really sympathize with 'em.

Yeah, I never felt any compelling reason to side with Yaevinn or Iorveth vs Roche/Siegfried/Neutral.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Yet for the Scoia'Tel this goes all the way up their chain of command. Do you remember what Geralt can tell Alvin when he is asked about the Scoia'Tel? That the elves can't accept the world has changed and that they know they've lost and yet still fight on regardless of that? Yeah exactly that. I see no reaosn whatsoever to think kindly of the elves, especially the bloody Scoia'Tel.

Desperate people do desperate things, and most the leaders that I deem great ordered murders and assassinations. Since when you find murder not fair game?

And yes that's what I believe as well. So are the elves just supposed to accept their defeat?
It might be wise, but I can sympathize with those who fight even when there is little to no hope. I can massacre them with impunity make no mistake about that. But I still retain sympathy.

 
Humans started being as harsh to them after the war with Nilfgaard began.

They were always harsh. The Scoia'Tael uprising made it worse.
The root cause was human oppression. If it wasn't there, the elves wouldn't have rebelled, at least on such a scale.

[Costin_Razvan]

Desperate people do desperate things, and most the leaders that I deem great ordered murders and assassinations. Since when you find murder not fair game?

When murder is only done for the sole purpose of vengeance. I always hated people who did that you know that very well.

There are other ways to fight outside of killing humans, that's why I have no sympathy for most them and why I respect Cedric, because he did find another way to the point that he was respected even by those racist guards Loredo has.

 
They were always harsh. The Scoia'Tael uprising made it worse. 
The root cause was human oppression. If it wasn't there, the elves wouldn't have rebelled, at least on such a scale.  

I never said they had it nice, but in TW1 DLC set in Zizima before the war with Nilfgaard ended the section which is the ghetto pretty much was called Little Mahakham. Certainly both sides are to be blamed ultimately, but I blame the elves more for starting their campaign of terror and murder.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[Sebby]

Is it known whether or not the King of the Wild hunt cares for this world's Aien Siedhe vs human conflict?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
When murder is only done for the sole purpose of vengeance. I always hated people who did that you know that very well.

During the Nilfgaardian invasion, the fight was not for vengeance only.

After that, sure but not entirely. Yaevinn wasn't doing all this *just* for revenge. He might have had nearly impossible goals, but in his mind they could be achieved. Whether that makes him stupid or not is a different issue.

There are other ways to fight outside of killing humans, that's why I have no sympathy for most them and why I respect Cedric, because he did find another way to the point that he was respected even by those racist guards Loredo has.

He wasn't respected, he was needed.
Plus, Cedric doesn't like the Scoia'Tael now because they weren't as great as the ones during the war.

 
I never said they had it nice, but in TW1 DLC set in Zizima before the war with Nilfgaard ended the section which is the ghetto pretty much was called Little Mahakham. Certainly both sides are to be blamed ultimately, but I blame the elves more for starting their campaign or terror and murder.

I don't like to throw blame left and right. Like I said before, BS needs to stop I don't care who started it or made it worse.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Then if BS needs to stop perhaps the elves should stop killing, or else how the **** do you think this is ever going to end? If the Elves don't want to, which they don't, then why the hell should the humans stop killing Scoia'Tel on sight?

The Pontar Valley I think we can both agree on isn't likely to suceed, it seems like a nice dream to me, but it's not going to happen. The only other option is for all the Scoia'Tel to be exterminated and then and only then can we talk about a future for humans, dwarves and elves living together. The Scoia'Tel cause has damaged the elven race a hell lot more then the humans have done in centuries besides the initial conquest.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[Sajji]

Is CDPR going to make The Witcher 3 universally for consoles and PC? And will it have multiplayer?

[android654]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
When murder is only done for the sole purpose of vengeance. I always hated people who did that you know that very well.

There are other ways to fight outside of killing humans, that's why I have no sympathy for most them and why I respect Cedric, because he did find another way to the point that he was respected even by those racist guards Loredo has.

Vengeance is the most poetic and justified forms of justice in literature. The greatest heroes in literary history corrected wrongs through the means of vengeance. In a literary sense, Iorveth is the most justified in the game that I have seen thus far.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Then if BS needs to stop perhaps the elves should stop killing, or else how the **** do you think this is ever going to end? If the Elves don't want to, which they don't, then why the hell should the humans stop killing Scoia'Tel on sight?

Unlike you I make a difference between the two. Kill Scoia'Tael, but open up opportunities for the rest of the elves. Reach out to them. Punish humans who harass them. Make shows of good will to them.

Carrot and stick.

In fact that is the most efficient way of defeating the Scoia'Tael.

The Pontar Valley I think we can both agree on isn't likely to suceed, it seems like a nice dream to me, but it's not going to happen.

Its ideals might succeed however even if the state itself fails.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[Druss99]

Sajji wrote...

Is CDPR going to make The Witcher 3 universally for consoles and PC? And will it have multiplayer?

You want multiplayer?

[Costin_Razvan]

That could blow up in your face. In same cases giving certain people opportunities did turn out for the best ( Napoleon with the jews or Fredrick of Prussia with the jews ), or didn't change anything ( Gypsies ).

I don't see the elves as worth the effort, I wouldn't kill them all, or punish them except the Scoia'Tel, but I would definitely not bother helping them seeing as they don't even want to help themselves. If however once the Scoia'Tel are dead the elves start doing something...well that would change my mind.

I would bother with Dwarves and Gnomes however, as well as mages.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[Sajji]

Druss99 wrote...

Sajji wrote...

Is CDPR going to make The Witcher 3 universally for consoles and PC? And will it have multiplayer?

You want multiplayer?

No, I was joking. About both. I was taking a swipe at mostly at Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age.

Mass Effect 3 was a disappointment that will resonate my entire life as a gamer. Brutally ruined, and not just the horrific ending that was nonsensical and against established themes and full of lies, but what in whole Mass Effect became.

I see this 'Multiplayer Manifest' to the left with some random dude in a deathmask holding a gun and it talking about 'unlocks' and crap like that. It makes me remember the Mass Effect IP when I want it deleted from my mind forever. It's truly, truly sad.

No other beautiful IP deserves the perpetual damnation Mass Effect received. Multiplayer is a joke...this wonderful IP would be downgraded by such nonsense.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

That could blow up in your face. In same cases giving certain people opportunities did turn out for the best ( Napoleon with the jews or Fredrick of Prussia with the jews ), or didn't change anything ( Gypsies ).

I doubt it will.

Waging constant war with Scoia'Taels in forests is more costly than striking at the very heart of the Scoia'tael: ie their popularity. When elves feel that there is hope for them as a people, the Scoia'tael are weakened. 

I think they are completely worth the effort.

[slimgrin]

Sajji wrote...

Is CDPR going to make The Witcher 3 universally for consoles and PC? And will it have multiplayer?

They do plan to release future titles on both platforms simultaneously. And while I would always want them to prioritize single player content, co-op in arena mode would be fun as hell imo.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 avril 2012 - 04:21 .

[Druss99]

Sajji wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Sajji wrote...

Is CDPR going to make The Witcher 3 universally for consoles and PC? And will it have multiplayer?

You want multiplayer?

No, I was joking. About both. I was taking a swipe at mostly at Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age.

Mass Effect 3 was a disappointment that will resonate my entire life as a gamer. Brutally ruined, and not just the horrific ending that was nonsensical and against established themes and full of lies, but what in whole Mass Effect became.

I see this 'Multiplayer Manifest' to the left with some random dude in a deathmask holding a gun and it talking about 'unlocks' and crap like that. It makes me remember the Mass Effect IP when I want it deleted from my mind forever. It's truly, truly sad.

No other beautiful IP deserves the perpetual damnation Mass Effect received. Multiplayer is a joke...this wonderful IP would be downgraded by such nonsense.

Ah my mistake. I didn't think you could be serious but then I didn't think they could ruin ME the way they did, so I find its best just to ask now.

[Costin_Razvan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

That could blow up in your face. In same cases giving certain people opportunities did turn out for the best ( Napoleon with the jews or Fredrick of Prussia with the jews ), or didn't change anything ( Gypsies ).

I doubt it will.

Waging constant war with Scoia'Taels in forests is more costly than striking at the very heart of the Scoia'tael: ie their popularity. When elves feel that there is hope for them as a people, the Scoia'tael are weakened. 

I think they are completely worth the effort.

And how exactly would you do this if you were for instance Radovid? The nobility won't like their money being spent on it, Town Commanders will likely not follow your orders to the letter and would allow the harrassing to go on. It could be done but the gain would be too little and only long term. At leat with the dwarves you would get better craftsmen.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
And how exactly would you do this if you were for instance Radovid? The nobility won't like their money being spent on it, Town Commanders will likely not follow your orders to the letter and would allow the harrassing to go on.

The problem with Radovid is that now, he is relying on the Order of the Flaming Rose to check the mages and very likely the nobility.

So Radovid can't do it. I might want to help the elves, but there are priorities in politics. The immediate benefits the Order of the Flaming Rose provides is greater than what the slow integration of elves would bring.

But once a centralized state is established and the nobility is marginalized if not purged entirely, and with the Order drastically reformed or replaced completely by a standard professional army, such measures can be taken.

But Siegried might be in favor of such small measures, he never hated nonhumans. So the slow integration of elves can happen, just not on a huge scale. Order knights are for the moment too valuable to ****** off.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 avril 2012 - 04:33 .

[Naughty Bear]

Ha, love the Lord of The Rings reference.

[Costin_Razvan]

Knight what you are talking about is something that would likely take decades to acomplish, as in purging the nobility.

[Jan Bartkowicz]

I like the whole debate about Scoita 'tael, but one thing bugs me, Costin.

Squirrels have elves, dwarfs (and according to books even halflings) in their ranks. Of course they are mostly elves, but when you begin to judge the elven race as worthless based on the fact that you despise Scoia 'Tael... isn't that a dangerous way of thinking?

[slimgrin]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Ha, love the Lord of The Rings reference.

This game has a ton of references and easter eggs. Some are quite obscure. 


Also, some bloody epic music:

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 avril 2012 - 04:44 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Jan Bartkowicz wrote...

I like the whole debate about Scoita 'tael, but one thing bugs me, Costin.

Squirrels have elves, dwarfs (and according to books even halflings) in their ranks. Of course they are mostly elves, but when you begin to judge the elven race as worthless based on the fact that you despise Scoia 'Tael... isn't that a dangerous way of thinking?

I find them worthless because there are very few elves outside the Scoia'Tel that are actually productive. I don't find their entire species worthless just because of the Scoia'Tel. They might have potential I guess, but I don't see it besides 2 examples of Cedric and I guess that elven trader in Vergen, and after all the **** the Scoia'Tel have done I very much doubt a future with humans and elves living alongside each other is a possibility for the near future. There's just too muh bad blood between them. 

If I was Emhyr and had conquered the north I would just displace the entire elven population in the North and move them to the Valley of Flowers, set up housing and such for them but after that it would really depend on what they can do. If they can't acomplish anything...then that's their problem.

Dwarves and humans...well that's a different thing. Sure there are some in the Scoia'Tel but there are plenty of them who despise the Scoia'Tel cause.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 04:59 .