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#12101
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Jan Bartkowicz wrote...

I like the whole debate about Scoita 'tael, but one thing bugs me, Costin.

Squirrels have elves, dwarfs (and according to books even halflings) in their ranks. Of course they are mostly elves, but when you begin to judge the elven race as worthless based on the fact that you despise Scoia 'Tael... isn't that a dangerous way of thinking?


Elves stole his lunch money. :P

Since you're here I've a question if you can answer: who wrote Triss and why is she so forgiving of Geralt dallying with other women?  




*crickets chirping*

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 avril 2012 - 05:13 .


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Ha, love the Lord of The Rings reference.


There are even Snow White references. Oooo Weee Ooo Weooooo

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And then i just nailed an elf. Are elven women supposed to be ****s?

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#12104
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She just wanted to repay you for saving her life, and couldn't think of any other way to really.

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slimgrin wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Ha, love the Lord of The Rings reference.


This game has a ton of references and easter eggs. Some are quite obscure. 


Also, some bloody epic music:




The ambience music that plays in Vergen is awesome.

And a priest gave me all his stuff which i accepted. This game is really great.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 29 avril 2012 - 05:08 .


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Costin_Razvan wrote...
I don't see the elves as worth the effort, I wouldn't kill them all, or punish them except the Scoia'Tel, but I would definitely not bother helping them seeing as they don't even want to help themselves.

Maybe you wouldn't do that, but that is what is happening.  And that is why you have the Scoia'tael.

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And what is to say that didn't all happen after the wars with Nilfgaard? Like say the progom at Rivia where Geralt died? Seriously Addai are you somehow suggesting the elves are innocent in this? I get it, you like Iorveth. Well I like Roche for instance ( among others ) but I don't sugar coat it. He's a ruthless son of a **** who would anything that it took to serve Temerian interests and he enjoys torture a bit too much.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 05:40 .


#12108
Jan Bartkowicz

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Well elves did exist somehow before the humans came. They built great cities, created outstanding art, mastered arcane arts.

Actually Loc Muinne is a place of importance when we talk about human-elves relationship. Hundreds of years ago a group of talented human children were taken to this elven city to learn magic from Aen Seidhe (elves). One of these children was Gerhart of Aelle, who later became a leader of the first University of arcane arts in the North (Ban Ard).

Only a few years after the children returned from Loc Muinne the city was destroyed by the forces of Raupenneck of Tretogor. Elves were literally butchered, women and children included.

Hatred works both ways now, but perceiving elves as some sort of underdeveloped civilization based on murder and theft is a good way for humans to shrug off any feeling of guilt. It also allows everybody to make the same mistakes again.

That said, I'm not a great enthusiast of Scoia 'Tael. Hatred and anger will only get you so far, right?

Modifié par Jan Bartkowicz, 29 avril 2012 - 05:39 .


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Fair enough then. I'll admit I was mistaken about elven civilization in the past.

What happened to the Vran however? Roche suggests the elves butchered them but I heard they somehow died off due to natural causes.

And who was Raupenneck of Tretogor actually? All I have on the wiki is that he was very prejudiced against elves. As in why did he butcher the elves at Loc Muinne?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 05:30 .


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Jan Bartkowicz

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Milan Raupenneck was a Redanian Marshall, famous for his hatred of all things elven.

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I don't remember the official reason. Must be because it wasn't a good one :)

Modifié par Jan Bartkowicz, 29 avril 2012 - 05:35 .


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So he's just scum. Oh well, people like that have always existed.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

And what is to say that didn't all happen after the wars with Nilfgaard? Like say the progom at Rivia where Geralt died? Seriously Addai are you somehow suggesting the elves are innocent in this? I get it, you like Iorveth. Well I like Roche for instance ( among others ) but I don't sugar coat it. He's a ruthless son of a **** who would anything that it took to serve Temerian interests and he enjoys torture a bit too much.

I never said they're innocent.  That's not the point.  Just that they have a right to represent their faction interests with arms, as the other factions do.  When Geralt gets involved with them in my games, it's to help steer them towards a more productive way of fighting for their goals.

Modifié par Addai67, 29 avril 2012 - 05:50 .


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When Geralt gets involved with them in my games, it's to help steer them towards a more productive way of fighting for their goals.

How exactly does Geralt steer either Yaevinn or Iorveth? With Yaevinn all you do is help them kill the Order and escape after robing a bank then hammer out a deal with Foltest so Yaevinn can escape after he helps the king take Vizima back. Geralt never makes Yaevinn change his mind in regards to driving the humans into the sea. 

With Iorveth...well by this point he's already made up his mind with what he is going to do. All Geralt is doing with both of them is helping with the goals they had set before he joined them.

With Siegfried and Roche on the other hand you can streer them in a better direction. Roche since you can stop him from killing Henselt as well as convince him that Radovid isn't best bet, or that he is. It's really up to you. As for Siegfried you convince him to see the madness behind Jacques.

I don't necesarily disapprove of the elves fighting, but how they fight and for what goal. That's my real issue, because they use terror tactics by targeting civilians and what most of them want is vengeance.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 06:31 .


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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Knight what you are talking about is something that would likely take decades to acomplish, as in purging the nobility.


I am aware of that. Everything worthwhile takes time. 

#12115
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I am just curios how would you set your plans with regards to the elves in motion...seeing as you would likely be dead and all by that stage.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...
How exactly does Geralt steer either Yaevinn or Iorveth? With Yaevinn all you do is help them kill the Order and escape after robing a bank then hammer out a deal with Foltest so Yaevinn can escape after he helps the king take Vizima back. Geralt never makes Yaevinn change his mind in regards to driving the humans into the sea.

He mediates the situation in Murky Waters, for instance.  Helping them win back Vivaldi's assets is righting a wrong.  And with Iorveth, you help give Saskia's coalition victory in Aedirn.

The Order are just as fanatical as the Scoia'tael.  Before White Rayla decides she wouldn't attack a hostage group with children in it, she was planning to string up the entire village for offering food to the elves.  I'm sure those kids would suffer in that scenario, too.

I don't necesarily disapprove of the elves fighting, but how they fight and for what goal.

How are they supposed to fight?  Guerilla wars aren't conducted the same way as others.  Civilians still die in the kings' wars, too, and human mobs perpetrate violence on innocents as do the more radical elements of the Scoia'tael.

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He mediates the situation in Murky Waters, for instance. Helping them win back Vivaldi's assets is righting a wrong. And with Iorveth, you help give Saskia's coalition victory in Aedirn.


He doesn't mediate anything really since Toruviel refuses to surrender anyway. As for Vivaldi's Bank the only one you help ultimately is Yaevinn not Vivaldi himself. As for Saskia's coalition, that was always Iorveth's intention there, it never changed.

The more radical elements as in Yaevinn and Iorveth who both have murdered thousands of humans and burned villages to the ground you mean?

As for what White Rayla was planning, does Toruviel tell you that? She told me that White Rayla didn't stop at the sight of a few dead peasants and that she had to resort to threatening the children. 

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 avril 2012 - 07:00 .


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How come in the Battlefield, i can die from two simple arrows?

The Battlefield is the most interesting place to visit to me and i was hoping to explore and observe the carnage.

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Naughty Bear wrote...

How come in the Battlefield, i can die from two simple arrows?

The Battlefield is the most interesting place to visit to me and i was hoping to explore and observe the carnage.


I think it's draining your life. 

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

He doesn't mediate anything really since Toruviel refuses to surrender anyway. As for Vivaldi's Bank the only one you help ultimately is Yaevinn not Vivaldi himself. As for Saskia's coalition, that was always Iorveth's intention there, it never changed.

But you convince her to flee.  They only end up fighting because the Order plans a sneak attack.

The more radical elements as in Yaevinn and Iorveth who both have murdered thousands of humans and burned villages to the ground you mean?

Thousands?  Where are you getting those figures?

I don't approve of total war tactics on either side.  However both sides use civilians as shields and pawns.  The kings and radicals like the Order stirring up hatred of non-humans is what encourages those pogroms.

As for what White Rayla was planning, does Toruviel tell you that? She told me that White Rayla didn't stop at the sight of a few dead peasants and that she had to resort to threatening the children. 

White Rayla tells you that, when you first meet her at the lakeside.  Geralt can convince her that the villagers at least deserve a trial.

edit- Oh, about Vivaldi, as of TW2 he gets his assets back, though I guess that happens no matter what you do in TW1.  But the fact that they were seized in the first place is still an injustice and his support of Yaevinn after that shows what happens when you deprive people of a means of making a livelihood.  The same for the dwarven blacksmith in Vizima.  Early on he tells you his best tools were seized by the Order, and by later in the game he is supporting the Scoia'tael, at least in my game.  In fact it says that almost all the nonhumans join the fight in Vizima.

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#12121
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How come in the Battlefield, i can die from two simple arrows?

The Battlefield is the most interesting place to visit to me and i was hoping to explore and observe the carnage.

You shouldn't die from two arrows?  One well-placed arrow can kill someone.

But, yes- &@!( bowmen.  I can understand why in medieval battles archers often got no quarter from knights.

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slimgrin wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

How come in the Battlefield, i can die from two simple arrows?

The Battlefield is the most interesting place to visit to me and i was hoping to explore and observe the carnage.


I think it's draining your life. 


No i don't think it is,  i specifically got hit by two arrows and just dropped dead, i'm using Elven armour. Perhaps it is rubbish armour.

I mean i get hit once and my health bar loses a significant amount with only a small little chunk left and then the second hit kills me.

When i first entered Vergen, if i stepped out of that bubble, my life bars ebs away slowly, not take more than half my health in one blow if i stepped out of that bubble.

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#12123
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Naughty Bear wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

How come in the Battlefield, i can die from two simple arrows?

The Battlefield is the most interesting place to visit to me and i was hoping to explore and observe the carnage.


I think it's draining your life. 


No i don't think it is,  i specifically got hit by two arrows and just dropped dead, i'm using Elven armour. Perhaps it is rubbish armour.

I mean i get hit once and my health bar loses a significant amount with only a small little chunk left and then the second hit kills me.

When i first entered Vergen, if i stepped out of that bubble, my life bars ebs away slowly, not take more than half my health in one blow if i stepped out of that bubble.


Time for an upgrade I guess. I tend to craft better gear as soon as I can in each chapter. But man you really have to be stingy with your resources cause crafting can become a nightmare.

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I lost all my respect for Scoia'tael after a description of a war ridden village in Time of contempt. When Geralt and Co. went through the enemy lines they passed by a woodshed/barn. This image stuck as it was described how rutheless elves can be - dehumanizing, they only kill dhoine, right? So, the shed, elves did not soil their blades, they used whatever was in the shed to slaughter the whole village - including women, children, the old. Saws and hatchets, chisels and other.

The problem with elves is that they see humans as a lowly creatures that took their land. Hairy monkeys that came down from trees not so long ago. And to top it all, when they have sex with elven females - elven kind ovulate every time they have contact (IIRC), which is not the same with elven males. Avallach once said that humans werent butchered in the past coz elven ladies did not give consent to that notion/plan :)

But now I'm being derrangelly incohesive, erratic and offtopic ;P

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By Battlefield, you mean the mist?

Yeah, I think the archers are there to force the fact "It's suicide, don't attempt it!" on you

Same thing happens when you sneak into Henselt's camp and reveal yourself too early. The arbalists deal 200 damage and can't be blocked