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[Khayness]

If I load up an Act 2 end save and go to Act 3, I can access the new content right?

[Costin_Razvan]

Yes.

In regards to CDP having enough money to make a sequel. Well the average price of TW2 was around 49 Dollars ( or Euro if you are talking of EU, but let's ignore that for now ). With that in mind if CDP got around 20 dollars for every copy sold then they would have made 20.000.000.00 Dollars by now, That's counting just the 1 milion PC sales.

However if I add the EU prices to that, then add in CE price as well as the GoG sales ( which give CDP the full money since they own GOG ). Then I can safely say CDP made 30.000.000.00 Dollars on a game with an 8.000.000.00 Budget ( this was confirmed a while back ). That's a 22.000.000.00 Profit for them

And that's WITHOUT touching Xbox360 sales. Sure they spent I guess 2-5 million dollars on making the Xbox version and the EE content ( the Intro was expensive I hear ) but so far they've sold 225.000 Xbox copies, which makes up for the money they spent, and I believe the Xbox version will sell 1 million it's own right. Hell we might get to 3 million total sales by this year's end.

Right now total sales are at 1.3 million for PC with Xbox...maybe higher I dunno. I wouldn't worry about them not having enough money for another Witcher game.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 mai 2012 - 09:39 .

[YohkoOhno]

I was personally very hesitant to try out Witcher because I thought to myself "meh some obscure book series based game made by some Polish mickey mouse company" but fortunately I took the plungeand fell in love with TW1 and saw how misplaced my concerns were and how capable CDPR and the source material were. Unfortunately not a lot of North Americans are willing to take the same plunge.

I think the concern I have is that they really have been marketing the crap out of this game. You saw a lot of ads for The Witcher 2 on numerous game sites, big coverage in XBOX Magazine and other areas. We'll see how sales are in a few weeks but I can see this being a bit of a downer for CDPR if it doesn't break here.

Not to mention I want to see them rewarded for doing things well.  There are things I think are done poorly in TW2 (Tutorial, explaining the world), but they do a lot of cool things, and I don't want them to get dismissed as good sources of inspiration if they end up getting poor sales here.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 04 mai 2012 - 09:30 .

[slimgrin]

YohkoOhno wrote...

I was personally very hesitant to try out Witcher because I thought to myself "meh some obscure book series based game made by some Polish mickey mouse company" but fortunately I took the plungeand fell in love with TW1 and saw how misplaced my concerns were and how capable CDPR and the source material were. Unfortunately not a lot of North Americans are willing to take the same plunge.

I think the concern I have is that they really have been marketing the crap out of this game. You saw a lot of ads for The Witcher 2 on numerous game sites, big coverage in XBOX Magazine and other areas. We'll see how sales are in a few weeks but I can see this being a bit of a downer for CDPR if it doesn't break here.

Not to mention I want to see them rewarded for doing things well.  There are things I think are done poorly in TW2 (Tutorial, explaining the world), but they do a lot of cool things, and I don't want them to get dismissed as good sources of inspiration if they end up getting poor sales here.

Two words: oh noes. 

[Costin_Razvan]

YohkoOhno: Edited my post above yours to point out how much of a profit CDP has made so far.

[YohkoOhno]

slimgrin wrote...
Two words: oh noes.

To be honest, I do think it's fair to be critical of The Witcher 2, because all sorts of people praise it but there are needed reality checks involved. I'm one who felt that they lacked a good tutorial and a good explaination of their world in TW2--when videos outside the game by the publisher fail to give an in-game interpretation of the world.  I think they did a better job than DA2 but not DA:O in The Witcher 2, for instance.

I think that while Bioware and EA have some level of Hubris towards their fans, I think CDPR has Hubris towards typical business practices. I think it would be a good idea to release some pay-DLC, and I don't think they are above criticism.  

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 04 mai 2012 - 09:48 .

[Babli]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
and I believe the Xbox version will sell 1 million it's own right.

You think so? Week 1 sales werent that impressive (compared to some other big games) and consoles are not exactly known for their continuing sales growth of its games.

YohkoOhno wrote...

I think it would be a good idea to release some pay-DLC

That wouldnt be a good idea. It really would not.

Modifié par Babli, 04 mai 2012 - 09:48 .

[Costin_Razvan]

No, it would be an idiotic move on CDPs end if they release paid DLC when MUCH of their fanbase LOVES them not just for their mature games but also for their business practices: Free DLC and real patch support.

If CDP wants to take a gun, plant it against their skull and pull the trigger then by all means they should make paid DLC, but if they want to actually keep their fans then they should not do that.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[YohkoOhno]

Babli wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...
 I think it would be a good idea to release some pay-DLC

That wouldnt be a good idea. It really would not.

Why not?  Who would object to it?  At the very least, they would be willing to sell an expansion to it to tide us over until TW3.  How many people here would pay for either a side story involving Geralt, or a small adventure.

This is where having "cool indie cred" might hurt them.  It was sad when they stoped their anti-piracy attack--which was actually aimed at punishing the confirmed pirates, because of "poor press".

Having goodwill might not be the best for their profitability in the long run...we'll see...

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 04 mai 2012 - 09:53 .

[Costin_Razvan]

A lot of people would object to it, believe me.

 
It was sad when they stoped their anti-piracy attack--which was actually aimed at punishing the confirmed pirates, because of "poor press".

Having goodwill might not be the best for their profitability in the long run...we'll see... 

You're not from Eastern Europe, they are and as someone who is also from there I can safely two things:

One: What CDP was doing was a dumb move that wasn't actually helping them since they were only doing it in Germany.

Two: CDP is the largest distributor and publisher of video games in Poland, they have used the same methods of goodwill to fight against Piracy in Poland. DRM is useless, suing a number of pirates in Germany is useless, DLC pisses people off.

They are no Indie company, they are a large company that handles publishing of Activion, Blizzard, THQ, SEGA etc. games in Poland, they also are responsible for localization of many games in Poland using top quality VA there.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 mai 2012 - 09:59 .

[YohkoOhno]

This is where the fans confuse me. Nobody forces people to buy DLC, and as long as they don't do some of the stupid things other companies do, it shouldn't be a problem.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 04 mai 2012 - 09:55 .

[Costin_Razvan]

It is a problem when your business policy was: Free DLC and then you go 180 and say: Yeah we'll charge for DLC.

Valve has free DLC for the games they make, are they dumb on a business standpoint? Can anyone claim that?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 mai 2012 - 10:00 .

[YohkoOhno]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

A lot of people would object to it, believe me.

 
It was sad when they stoped their anti-piracy attack--which was actually aimed at punishing the confirmed pirates, because of "poor press".

Having goodwill might not be the best for their profitability in the long run...we'll see... 

You're not from Eastern Europe, they are and as someone who is also from there I can safely two things:

One: What CDP was doing was a dumb move that wasn't actually helping them since they were only doing it in Germany.

Two: CDP is the largest distributor and publisher of video games in Poland, they have used the same methods of goodwill to fight against Piracy in Poland. DRM is useless, suing a number of pirates in Germany is useless, DLC pissed people off.

They are no Indie company, they are a large company that handles publishing of Activion, Blizzard, THQ, SEGA etc. games in Poland, they also are responsible for localization of many games in Poland using top quality VA there.

I know they weren't "indie", they like to make themselves "look" indie to the fans, with GOG--it's all marketing.  I just wish more fans realized that, instead of seeing EA and Activition as "evil" and CDPR as "good".  That's why I used "quotes".

DRM is not usless.  I wish there was a more fair and balanced view of this than many consumers have.  

[Costin_Razvan]

How is DRM not useless? AC2 which had some of the best DRM in the world was cracked within 3 weeks if I recall, most DRM is cracked within 1-2 days, or hell even on launch day.

This is why it's useless. I know exactly how piracy works since I live in a country where 90% of people don't even have a legitimate Windows copy, let alone legitimate games. DRM has never stopped people from cracking games.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 mai 2012 - 10:08 .

[YohkoOhno]

Three weeks is enough to at least keep people buying the games, since most of all sales happen in the opening week. Locks aren't unbreakable either, but people still use them.

Sad to hear your country is full of thieves...

[Costin_Razvan]

AC2 DRM destroyed PC sales for the game.

And piracy is not stealing, that's a stupid comparison. It's referred to as a copyright infringement and it is only a crime in very few countries in the world.

[YohkoOhno]

AC2 ended up being successful enough.

Even if it's not the definition of "stealing"--which is always a distraction pro-priates like to say--it still is a moral wrong. Don't have enough money to pay for games--DO WITHOUT. Simple. I've had to do without for a long time of my life. I can understand needs, but not wants.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 04 mai 2012 - 10:23 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Oh sure, on consoles.

Oh and good for you that you are fit to judge people. Considering the fact most people earn 400 dollars here a month I can hardly blame them for it, and no I don't consider what they do morally wrong, not one bit. Especially in countries where you don't even have gameshops ( and there are a lot of them ).

In the end I think one should purchase a game, but I do so without feeling the need to vilify those who pirate like you do.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 mai 2012 - 10:42 .

[Sebby]

Certain companies like Capcom deserve to be pirated for their disc-locked content scamming anti-consumer practices.

Modifié par Seboist, 04 mai 2012 - 10:38 .

[Kris69]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Considering the fact most people earn 400 dollars here a month

400$ a month? Either Romania or Bulgaria...

[Costin_Razvan]

Romania. I am curios tough, how is piracy in Poland nowadays and what are your average salaries ( and game prices )?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[Kris69]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Romania. I am curios tough, how is piracy in Poland nowadays and what are your average salaries ( and game prices )?

Average salary here in Poland is 4000 PLN(1250$) a month, that's the official average for 2012. But in truth vast majority of ppl make something like 2000 PLN(625$) a month, minus taxes. Day one releases are like ~120 PLN( 37$) and the piracy is quite high.

[Czaynik]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Romania. I am curios tough, how is piracy in Poland nowadays and what are your average salaries ( and game prices )?

Average monthly salary in Poland as of 2012 is 3666 zloty, i.e 1149,54 USD as of today's exchange rates. This is highly variable regionwise though. People in Warsaw earn 5 500 zloty, i.e. 1725 USD.

To me, piracy worldwide is impossible to asses because the main channel of piracy is the Internet which people usr to freely download things. My guess is that it's on the same level as in whole Europe now.

Modifié par Czaynik, 04 mai 2012 - 11:10 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Thanks for those figures. At least you have decent game prices for your salaries, here a game generally costs between 40-50 EUROs or more for the big titles.

I wouldn't be so sure that piracy rates are the same all over Europe though, not with countries like Macedonia, Moldova, Croatia and the like. Maybe for some European Union countries, maybe.

Truth be told we don't have statistics for piracy, we only have estimates which are generally wrong. I mean 4 million pirated copies of TW2? I doubt it.

Though I think we should stop talking piracy since I am afraid right now of a mod coming in and shutting down this thread.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 mai 2012 - 11:01 .

[Czaynik]

You are right. I mean that it's more or less the same as the rest of the "old" EU.

The rampant and open piracy of early to mid 1990s is a thing of past thankfully.

Modifié par Czaynik, 04 mai 2012 - 11:02 .