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[xHarrison23]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

They oppress them, they are not killing their species. Before the crap with the Scoia'Tel began they were living alongside each other with a lot less of the racial hatred around.

But you somehow believe the humans are wrong in defending themselves from the Scoia'Tel, can you please spin more of this bull****?

Ok i am really losing my patience now, because some how you haven't read a single thing I ****ing said. I never said the humans are wrong for defending themselves. EVER. They are wrong for oppressing them, and driving them to extinction after kicking them off thier land. However, the Scoia' Tael are wrong for killing civilians, but I can understand why they would because they are opprssed and humans will not stop oppressing them 

Modifié par xHarrison23, 05 mai 2012 - 03:29 .

[xHarrison23]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Iorveth is willing to fight for Saskia, not just for the cause.

Because Saskia represnts a unified Upper Aerdirn, like the whole point of the Prince Stennis v Saskia conflict is supposed to show.

[Costin_Razvan]

Yeah well because I don't agree with your bull**** about somehow saying the humans are killing off the elven species by fighting the Scoia'Tel. Because they are not. There are still plenty of elves living well enough.

Or did you honestly expect me to agree with your crap that Foltest is commiting genocide?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mai 2012 - 03:30 .

[xHarrison23]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Yeah well because I don't agree with your bull**** about somehow saying the humans are killing off the elven species by fighting the Scoia'Tel. Because they are not. There are still plenty of elves living well enough.

ok, you are right, the elven race was already dying off before the humans came to thier land. Humans have nothing to do with it. Elves are justing falling over dead.

I never meant Fotlest himself was completely driving elves to extinction but his oppression and killing of the Scoia'Tael leads to the death of a proportion of Elves.

Modifié par xHarrison23, 05 mai 2012 - 03:33 .

[Costin_Razvan]

The elves where conquered, not killed as an entire species. There is no policy by the humans to kill off their entire race, none. There is zero evidence to support your wild claim.

 
I never meant Fotlest himself was completely driving elves to extinction but his oppression and killing of the Scoia'Tael leads to the death of a proportion of Elves.

You claimed Roche kills non-humans. He kills Scoia'Tel and you really have no proof to show that the deaths of the Scoia'Tel is leading to the demise of the elven race.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mai 2012 - 03:37 .

[xHarrison23]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The elves where conquered, not killed as an entire species. There is no policy by the humans to kill off their entire race, none. There is zero evidence to support your wild claim.

Few remain today, however, and these are in constant conflict with human civilization. That is why so many younger elves, eager to fight for their rights, join Scoia'tael commando units.[/i]


When they first arrived on the already populated continent, they rather quickly set about conquering the lands already inhabited by elder races. This lead to their dominance and so the elves, dwarves, gnomes and halflings are now generally referred to as nonhumans

The races do live together in the cities, however the non-humans are forced to pay a levy just for being non-humans


 pogrom[/b] is an organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group, such asdwarves or elves. There were several pogroms in the history of the Continent.

[Costin_Razvan]

You are claiming the pogrom mean the human rulers are looking to butcher the nonhumans as a whole? Really?

And again how does any of this prove Foltest was looking to kill the elves? If there were any people looking to commit genocide they were: Loredo, Yaevinn, Jacques and Iorveth, perhaps Henselt ( if there was any proof presented in game of this besides that he hates nonhumans ).

And what is the page from the wiki about their lands being conquered have to do whit this? Many civilizations were conquered by others, but a conquest doesn't mean genocide. People die, because that's obviously war.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mai 2012 - 03:51 .

[xHarrison23]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The elves where conquered, not killed as an entire species. There is no policy by the humans to kill off their entire race, none. There is zero evidence to support your wild claim.

 
I never meant Fotlest himself was completely driving elves to extinction but his oppression and killing of the Scoia'Tael leads to the death of a proportion of Elves.

You claimed Roche kills non-humans. He kills Scoia'Tel and you really have no proof to show that the deaths of the Scoia'Tel is leading to the demise of the elven race.

I have come to the conclusion that you are just ignorant, miss the entire point of the Human and Elf conflict, and for some reason want the humans to be right in every way. No matter what I say, what is alluded to in the books and games, you will say Humans aren't killing off Elves blah blah blah. I get it.

[LPPrince]

Hey, you guys want to calm down?

I popped in here to see if I could talk Witcher Twoey stuff with anyone, but daaamn.

Really unwelcoming seeing that discussion go down.

[Chromie]

LPPrince wrote...

Hey, you guys want to calm down?

I popped in here to see if I could talk Witcher Twoey stuff with anyone, but daaamn.

Really unwelcoming seeing that discussion go down.

Lol, Costin gets heated during his discussions.

[Costin_Razvan]

Alluded to does not make it a fact, no matter how much you want it to be.

The humans came in, conquered the elves and oppressed them. At one point because of Nilfgaaard's offer the Scoia'Tel were created to sow chaos in the North to help the Empire win, in exchange they were offered Dol Blathana. The oppression against elves became much worse as a result of this and many elves joined the Squirrels.

Nilfgaard lost and in exchange for peace gave the North the leaders of the Scoia'Tel, who were mostly executed. Those that survived continued to fight for no real reason other then just wanting to kill.

So yeah keep telling me how I miss the point just because I don't care to buy your BS argument.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mai 2012 - 04:00 .

[xHarrison23]

LPPrince wrote...

Hey, you guys want to calm down?

I popped in here to see if I could talk Witcher Twoey stuff with anyone, but daaamn.

Really unwelcoming seeing that discussion go down.

Come right in! I promise I won't put words in your mouth, and draw conclusions from any of your statements, but I however can't promise anyone else won't on this thread.

[Costin_Razvan]

Your own words one page ago: "Fotest's cause is to kill non humans and oppress them." Care to deny them?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mai 2012 - 04:01 .

[mupp3tz]

I feel like this conversation keeps coming up and is the only reason I stopped popping in to chat about TW2. Does it matter if one person prefers Ioverth over Roche or vice versa? Let people have their preferences, whether or not you agree with it is null and just makes the thread hostile.

[xHarrison23]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Alluded to does not make it a fact, no matter how much you want it to be.

The humans came in, conquered the elves and oppressed them. At one point because of Nilfgaaard's offer the Scoia'Tel were created to sow chaos in the North to help the Empire win, in exchange they were offered Dol Blathana. The oppression against elves became much worse as a result of this and many elves joined the Squirrels.

Nilfgaard lost and in exchange for peace gave the North the leaders of the Scoia'Tel, who were mostly executed. Those that survived continued to fight for no real reason other then just wanting to kill.

So yeah keep telling me how I miss the point just because I don't care to buy your BS argument.

I don't know any author that would allude to certain details that aren't correct unless trying to throw off readers, but no twist woud come if in the witcher 3 if the story was like; oh just kidding there are lots of elves actually.

[Costin_Razvan]

Who said anything about lots of elves? Newsflash BTW: CDP is not Sapkowski.

M U P P 3 T Z : If you want to like Roche or Iorveth that's up to you, but don't pretend that either of them is something they are not. I've claimed that Roche is a ruthless bastard who probably likes torture a bit too much even though I like him.

But he is not someone who kills non-humans outside of Scoia'Tel.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

LPPrince wrote...

Hey, you guys want to calm down?

I popped in here to see if I could talk Witcher Twoey stuff with anyone, but daaamn.

Really unwelcoming seeing that discussion go down.

Don't let that discourage you. we usually hold interesting and civil dscussions.
Feel free to start ay topic!

[xHarrison23]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Your own words one page ago: "Fotest's cause is to kill non humans and oppress them." Care to deny them?

When he dispatches Roche to kill the Scoia'Tael is he not killing non humans. And don't towns in Temeria discriminate against non humans too....such as Flotsam? Sure Loredo is the fuel of most of that but it is Foltest's land.

And also, I am in no way arguing who is more right, Iorveth or Roche. We are arguing over the fact that Nonhumas are being killed off by humans.

Modifié par xHarrison23, 05 mai 2012 - 04:07 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I feel like this conversation keeps coming up and is the only reason I stopped popping in to chat about TW2. Does it matter if one person prefers Ioverth over Roche or vice versa? Let people have their preferences, whether or not you agree with it is null and just makes the thread hostile.

I think the majority appreciates both paths and characters. I know I do.
In fact as said before, I prefer Roche's path, but like Iorveth more as a character.

Please don't be discouraged, I need people to discuss things wth!
  

[Chromie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Please don't be discouraged, I need people to discuss things wth!
  

Which is hotter, Saskia in her dragon form or human form?

[mupp3tz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I feel like this conversation keeps coming up and is the only reason I stopped popping in to chat about TW2. Does it matter if one person prefers Ioverth over Roche or vice versa? Let people have their preferences, whether or not you agree with it is null and just makes the thread hostile.

I think the majority appreciates both paths and characters. I know I do.
In fact as said before, I prefer Roche's path, but like Iorveth more as a character.

Please don't be discouraged, I need people to discuss things wth!
  

I think I've seen a couple of your posts on the Witcher board and I have your BSN blog on the different fractions bookmarked... haha.  Very nice job there, sir! 

Skelter192 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Please don't be discouraged, I need people to discuss things wth!
  

Which is hotter, Saskia in her dragon form or human form?

Aesthetically, human form.  Literally "hotter," probably the fire breathing dragon.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 05 mai 2012 - 04:10 .

[Costin_Razvan]

When I did say that there was no discrimination against non-humans. When I claim they were not oppressed? I pointed that out myself that they are.

But claiming Foltest has a policy of butchering is BS. Loredo wants to do that certainly that is true, Jacques wants do it but Foltest? Seriously? This argument started from that topic. 

I've said it time and again. The Scoia'Tel do not represent the elves or the dwarves. In fact many of them despise them for good reason, but you are saying the Blue Stripes kill non-humans on a general note.

I think the majority appreciates both paths and characters. I know I do. 

I think one of my favorite characters in the game is on Iorveth's path: Phillipa. 

Which makes me wonder if she actually believes in Saskia's cause for equality and if she does then who actually came up with the of creating a state in the Pontar? I think Saskia.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mai 2012 - 04:14 .

[xHarrison23]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I feel like this conversation keeps coming up and is the only reason I stopped popping in to chat about TW2. Does it matter if one person prefers Ioverth over Roche or vice versa? Let people have their preferences, whether or not you agree with it is null and just makes the thread hostile.

I think the majority appreciates both paths and characters. I know I do.
In fact as said before, I prefer Roche's path, but like Iorveth more as a character.

Please don't be discouraged, I need people to discuss things wth!
  

I think the exct opposite in terms of paths. I enjoyed Iorveths path better, but I like Roche more as a character. He might be my favorite character besides Geralt of course.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skelter192 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Please don't be discouraged, I need people to discuss things wth!
  

Which is hotter, Saskia in her dragon form or human form?

Dragon.
Always liked women with reptilian scales.

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I
feel like this conversation keeps coming up and is the only reason I
stopped popping in to chat about TW2. Does it matter if one person
prefers Ioverth over Roche or vice versa? Let people have their
preferences, whether or not you agree with it is null and just makes the
thread hostile.

I think the majority appreciates both paths and characters. I know I do.
In fact as said before, I prefer Roche's path, but like Iorveth more as a character.

Please don't be discouraged, I need people to discuss things wth!
  

I
think I've seen a couple of your posts on the Witcher board and I have
your BSN blog on the different fractions bookmarked... haha.  Very nice
job there, sir! 

Haha glad to hear it's useful!

I  will write a new entry this weekend, about the Second War for Upper Aedirn. I'll do an analysis of the conflict, but will keep it nice and simple. The conflict is suprisingly complex when analysed.

[Chromie]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...
Aesthetically, human form.  Literally "hotter," probably the fire breathing dragon.

Too bad she prefers dwarves. 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Dragon.
Always liked women with reptilian scales. 

 

Damn straigth. 

Best dragon ever.

 

Modifié par Skelter192, 05 mai 2012 - 04:18 .