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[Mercannis]

tez19 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

But by choosing him u are basically screwing roche, and u have built up a relationship with roche, him helping u escape prison, bonding with him and the blue stripes, allied under foltest, and your ment to choose to help a hostile rude elf who u hardly spoke to over someone u have bonded with and are friends? I think people who choose iorveth have a bad moral code or loyalty issues.

I didn't feel all that chummy with Roche at that point.  He saves your life by breaking you out of prison, but it's because he wants to get the real killer, not because he thinks Geralt's such a great guy.  You're allies in finding the kingslayer, that's it.  Mainly I follow Iorveth because he's the fastest ticket to Aedirn and at that point my Geralt's first priority is finding Triss.  That's where Letho is, too, so getting to Aedirn quickly is the best plan and Roche is hung up on Loredo.  Fine for him- he's still working for Temeria and there's espionage afoot in Flotsam- but not Geralt's priority in my game.

I also understand Scoia'tael and don't take Iorveth's attitude personally any more than I take Letho's opposition personally.  Iorveth is programmed to mistrust a dhoine and with good reason.

Nah i dnt see how it is faster going with iorveth and plus you do build up comradery with the blue stripes, (the side mission where u get drunk and so) so you do have a sense of loyalty and trust to them, well i did. Also Iorveth does NOTHING to make me want to give him his sword when my buddies attack. He has threatened to kill me on more then one occasion, he is pretty much a terrorist killing innocent civilians just because they are human, lets not forget that. I will go through the iorveth path for a 2nd playthrough but on my canon run nothing even nearly made me want to side with him. FOR TEMERIA!

I agree with you on Iorveth however it is Zoltan that asks you to talk to them and to help. If loyalty is your main concern then surely you should be doing as Zoltan asks instead of giving priority to a man who is in no way your friend.
Roche is an honourable man but he is 100% loyal to Temeria and if your interests conflict with the realm's he wouldnt hesitate to put you down.

Personal choice aside i think Geralt himself would follow Iorveth. He cares for his friends, he likes to remain neutral and has no stomach for politics even though it finds him at every turn. The Roche path is very political, its my favourite but Geralt would go drink with the dwarves, hump the succubus, experience lesbomancy and fight for the non humans.

[tez19]

I never played the witcher 1 so i felt while playing more loyalty to roche than zoltan. And zoltan says himself he isn't in favour of the scoitael ideal. I would rather saskia won the battle and i bellieve she does if you go with the scoitael, but i just felt no pull to side with the scoitael, i had loyalty to roche for saving me from prison and i also had loyalty and comradery with the the bluestripes due to the drunk mission and i liked ves. If i had to choose between roche and zoltan that would of made it harder but as zoltan is a friend and will follow you wherever i choose to side with roche who i felt a bond with than the evil terrorist iorveth.

[Mercannis]

tez19 wrote...

I never played the witcher 1 so i felt while playing more loyalty to roche than zoltan. And zoltan says himself he isn't in favour of the scoitael ideal. I would rather saskia won the battle and i bellieve she does if you go with the scoitael, but i just felt no pull to side with the scoitael, i had loyalty to roche for saving me from prison and i also had loyalty and comradery with the the bluestripes due to the drunk mission and i liked ves. If i had to choose between roche and zoltan that would of made it harder but as zoltan is a friend and will follow you wherever i choose to side with roche who i felt a bond with than the evil terrorist iorveth.

Well first i will say..you owe it to yourself to get a copy of The Witcher EE. Its dirt cheap doesnt need a great PC to run and in some ways is even better than number 2.

Zoltan is torn himself as he is loyal to his kinsmen but cant stand the rebels as they are part of the problem not a solution. Anyway, when i did a Iorveth playthrough thats how i justified my actions, helping friends , helping oppressed dwarves. Iorveth was not even part of the equation.

Modifié par Mercannis, 10 mai 2012 - 12:24 .

[Super.Sid]

Have finished the game once on the Roche path but I want to make a proper save assuming these decisions carry over.

I want the following scenario. Is it possible to achieve this or something close to this ?

1. Help Saskia regain Aederin
2. Foltest's daughter to remain in Temeria and not turned over to Radovid
3. Help recreate the mage council and unity between the kingdom and mages

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...

It would have been nice if Iorveth said what he was trying to accomplish in Aedirn in order to better justify siding with him. As it stands... yeah I don't think so.

He does, if you give him his sword in the garden.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Super.Sid wrote...
I want the following scenario. Is it possible to achieve this or something close to this ?

1. Help Saskia regain Aederin
2. Foltest's daughter to remain in Temeria and not turned over to Radovid
3. Help recreate the mage council and unity between the kingdom and mages

1. She can form her own state
2. You can give her to Natalis.
3. It's possible. But doing the second precludes you from doing the 3rd.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 mai 2012 - 04:09 .

[tez19]

Also i was just wondering why is this very long and in depth discussion about the witcher 2 on the BSN? Isn't it a bit silly for Bioware to allow this when it is plain for all to see CDPR poop all over Bioware nowadays? CDPR are like pigeons and Bioware is the Nelson's column in trafalgar square. The pigeons(CDPR) are flying high pooping all over something that used to be great in the past(BIOWARE).

Modifié par tez19, 10 mai 2012 - 04:53 .

[k177sh0t]

tez19 wrote...

Also i was just wondering why is this very long and in depth discussion about the witcher 2 on the BSN? Isn't it a bit silly for Bioware to allow this when it is plain for all to see CDPR poop all over Bioware nowadays? CDPR are like pigeons and Bioware is the Nelson's column in trafalgar square. The pigeons(CDPR) are flying high pooping all over something that used to be great in the past(BIOWARE).

Shhh, try not to fan the flames of........war?

[Naughty Bear]

Just wondering, no spoilers would be nice.

So far, i am searching for a trolls wife and just nailed a succubus, took me ages, the map is confusing, i get sent one direction only to be in the wrong destination.

Does the political state escalate?

What is the wild hunt exactly? Is it a group of ghosts or something?

[Nordicus]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Does the political state escalate?

What is the wild hunt exactly? Is it a group of ghosts or something?

The state of politics gets more and more volatile towards the end.

For the point where you are, yes, let's say The Wild Hunt is war-hungry group of wraiths. You'll know more towards the end of the game

[Naughty Bear]

Nordicus wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Does the political state escalate?

What is the wild hunt exactly? Is it a group of ghosts or something?

The state of politics gets more and more volatile towards the end.

For the point where you are, yes, let's say The Wild Hunt is war-hungry group of wraiths. You'll know more towards the end of the game

Interesting, very interesting.

The Wild Hunt is quite unique, i never heard of anything similiar before but it has piqued my interest. Is The Wild Hunt the main focus of the plot? Like stopping the Reapers in ME?

[Kahlmulandr]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 
 On a sidenote everyone always talks about bringing the moonblade. I always keep the Aerondight. I was knighted with that bad boy and told me and it had a destiny. 

Well Moonblade has better stats then Aerondight which just is slightly stronger then the default silver sword.

Stats, stats, stats...No one appreciate's a good story about a weapon anymore....bet you all wanted to tell Zaeed to just turn "Jessie" into omni-gel and move on also.

[Super.Sid]

I tried playing Witcher 1 but something annoys me. I save a game and then load it back later only to find Geralt is dead and I have no other option than to alt+f4 or ctrl+alt+del

Is there any solution ? Can't expect to keep replaying from the working save or playing the whole game without saving

[KnightofPhoenix]

Naughty Bear wrote...

The Wild Hunt is quite unique, i never heard of anything similiar before but it has piqued my interest. Is The Wild Hunt the main focus of the plot? Like stopping the Reapers in ME?

No.

[Nordicus]

Naughty Bear wrote...

The Wild Hunt is quite unique, i never heard of anything similiar before but it has piqued my interest. Is The Wild Hunt the main focus of the plot? Like stopping the Reapers in ME?

Nnnnnnope. To put them in the same category as Reapers is to oversimplify both beings.

Wild Hunt will probably be the main point of A game, but not the series. Ithlinne's Prophecy is a much bigger threat and for 2 games already, Wild Hunt has barely been more than a boogeyman with some bite. (Of course they've existed for a while in the novels, but they're a piece of adapted European folklore like vampires and wraiths in general)

Wild Hunt in European folklore

Modifié par Nordicus, 10 mai 2012 - 06:03 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Iorveth has to take it first. By the time you assault Flotsam Roche already tried to kill Loredo and failed so it's picking Roche that is the fastest way of going to Aedirn.

Roche doesn't even talk about going to Aedirn.  He has priorities in Flotsam first.

By the time you're set to take over the barge, Loredo's garrison is distracted either slaughtering elven and dwarven peasants or feasting.

[Addai]

tez19 wrote...
Nah i dnt see how it is faster going with iorveth and plus you do build up comradery with the blue stripes, (the side mission where u get drunk and so) so you do have a sense of loyalty and trust to them, well i did. Also Iorveth does NOTHING to make me want to give him his sword when my buddies attack. He has threatened to kill me on more then one occasion, he is pretty much a terrorist killing innocent civilians just because they are human, lets not forget that. I will go through the iorveth path for a 2nd playthrough but on my canon run nothing even nearly made me want to side with him. FOR TEMERIA!

Not everyone plays the game the same way, and not everyone sees it the same way even if they play the same quests.  To my mind Geralt has no particular loyalty to Temeria and he's not obligated to help the Blue Stripes even if he got drunk with them once.  They're not my buddies- they're occasional allies, and that's what Iorveth becomes, too, by the time Letho has betrayed him.  You may see it differently in your game and I'm not telling you how to play it for yourself, but that's not how everyone has to play it.

You can as easily make the political argument that the Blue Stripes are terrorists as the Scoia'tael.  Iorveth himself makes this case when he accuses Roche of slaughtering women and children in the pacification of Mahakam.

As far as I'm concerned, Geralt is not "for Temeria," and Foltest is not "my boy" as some others put it.  Triss calls Geralt a king's witcher, but IMO there is no such thing and shouldn't be.*  Geralt had done more than enough for Foltest and should never have gotten involved in the war with the La Valettes.  He decided to humor Foltest one more time and that was a mistake.  Trying to clear his name is still a goal, but I don't see that he has any obligation to help Roche do his job otherwise.
 
* I also think Letho is naive to think that Emhyr is just going to leave him alone, after having used him to such ruthless effect.

Modifié par Addai67, 10 mai 2012 - 07:32 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Iorveth himself makes this case when he accuses Roche of slaughtering women and children in the pacification of Mahakam.

Iorveth is a hypocritical son of a **** even if what he says Roche did is true, and there is no evidence to suggest it is true besides what Iorveth says.

I also think Letho is naive to think that Emhyr is just going to leave him alone, after having used him to such ruthless effect. 

Letho says Emhyr promised to rebuild the Viper School, he does not state that he believes Emhyr will just leave the Witchers be and frankly I agree with everything Letho did and the way he did it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 10 mai 2012 - 07:35 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Iorveth himself makes this case when he accuses Roche of slaughtering women and children in the pacification of Mahakam.

Iorveth is a hypocritical son of a **** even if what he says Roche did is true, and there is no evidence to suggest it is true besides what Iorveth says.

Roche himself says that he got used to beating people- that he does the dirty work for Foltest- what do you think that is, picking daisies?

The difference is that you consider what the kings do to be rightful and legitimate, no matter how ruthless they are, but the Scoia'tael are murderers and terrorists for doing the exact same things.

[Costin_Razvan]

The difference is that Roche tortures enemies of Temeria and kills rebels and terrorists. If you are going to claim he butchered innocent people and murdered women and children like Iorveth did then you are literally talking out of your ass Addai. That's what makes the Scoia'Tel terrorists: Using terror tactics, which Roche does not do.

I don't need to bring up the issue of legitimacy to state the Scoia'Tel are worse then the Blue Stripes.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 10 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The difference is that Roche tortures enemies of Temeria and kills rebels and terrorists. If you are going to claim he butchered innocent people and murdered women and children like Iorveth did then you are literally talking out of your ass Addai. That's what makes the Scoia'Tel terrorists: Using terror tactics, which Roche does not do.

I don't need to bring up the issue of legitimacy to state the Scoia'Tel are worse then the Blue Stripes.

He kills enemies of Temeria, Scoai'tael kills for their political aims, it's all the same.  And you're wrong that they don't use terror tactics.  You're talking like the kings of the North are liberal democrats.

[Chewin]

Okay, finally finished my first playthrough, Roche's path. Henselt lives, saved Triss, let Letho go, yadayada. Well I did have a blast. Now starting Iorveth path to see how it turns out, and trying at the same time to 'complete the whole picture of the plot'.

Naughty Bear wrote...
The Wild Hunt is quite unique, i never heard of anything similiar before but it has piqued my interest. Is The Wild Hunt the main focus of the plot? Like stopping the Reapers in ME?

No, and I hope as hell it won't even lead to anything like it. Though I'm certain it won't.

[Dave of Canada]

Wild Hunt can be taken in various different interesting ways, though I hope it's always a sub-plot.

[Costin_Razvan]

He kills enemies of Temeria, Scoai'tael kills for their political aims, it's all the same. And you're wrong that they don't use terror tactics. You're talking like the kings of the North are liberal democrats.

The Scoia'Tel until Iorveth decided to join Saskia butchered humans in towns and villages just because of hatred after the war with Nilfgaard ended, that was five years.

And I wasn't talking about the Kings of the North ( Demavend and Henselt well now that's a different argument ), I was talking about Roche and by extension Foltest, where is your evidence to back your claim? You have nothing. 

Wild Hunt Note: They are not a big bad evil BS based on book information, and I doubt Geralt's goal will be to unite nations to stop them. I am curios about them though and I think Geralt will fight them at one point because of different goals. Or he might join up with them. Depends really.

Truth be told I think TW3 will be about Nilfgaard and Emhyr and TW4 will have Geralt visiting the world of the wild hunt for one reason or another.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 10 mai 2012 - 08:18 .

[Sebby]

I hope TW4+ take place outside of the Northern Kingdoms and Nilfgaard in places like Zerrakania. It would be nice for them to explore places that were lightly touched upon in the novels.