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[Tirigon]

Chewin3 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
I found Letho an impressive opponent. Having him any less brute, I would be pissed that he can defeat Geralt.
If your player character is forced to lose, that always sucks. But if you must, for story reasons, then it better be a cool, big badass like Letho and not some skinny sucker (off topic, but kinda related: That is also why I hate ME3's Kai Leng, he looks way too weak).

Judging an opponent by his specific looks and beating you, sure you can hate on that, but having an opponent defeating you, simply b/c the "plot dictates", without having a deeper meaning than that, is much worse imo.

All defeats that are not followed by a loadscreen  - or game over, if you play on insane - are dictated by the plot.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tirigon wrote...

All defeats that are not followed by a loadscreen  - or game over, if you play on insane - are dictated by the plot.

But some end up having a deeper meaning and end up developping the characters involved. Others end up being useless, poorly done and just more blatantly about plot dictates.
That's what seperates Letho from Kai Leng.

@ Justina
You knew the game had a set protagonist before you bought the game right?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 11 mai 2012 - 02:43 .

[Chewin]

Tirigon wrote...
All defeats that are not followed by a loadscreen  - or game over, if you play on insane - are dictated by the plot.

True, but don't take that term literally. What I meant by "plot dictates", is that when a certain element / aspect is added to a specific situation / scene simply b/c the plot has to go on somehow, and usually ends making the scene inadequate, and makes no sense with the continuity of the plot, and / or the specific individual(s) it concerns.

That is not the case in the fight with Letho.

Modifié par Chewin3, 11 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[snfonseka]

Jestina wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Jestina wrote...
It's not the graphics that bothered me about this game, but the actiony combat system and lack of a character creator. Didn't feel much like an RPG to me, but being stuck playing a pre-set character will do that.

LOL! That is because you are used to playin bioware games which are more like the sims dress up and are tailored towards casual gamers.

You don't know what an RPG is obviously. The majority of good RPG's start with character creation which should be a joint effort between the player and the person running the game.

So are you saying if a game is a good RPG, that game should have a CC?

[Dreadstruck]

Jestina wrote...
You don't know what an RPG is obviously. The majority of good RPG's start with character creation which should be a joint effort between the player and the person running the game.

You've probably never heard of Planescape: Torment, Alpha Protocol and the Gothic series then? A CC is not mandatory for a "good" RPG.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 11 mai 2012 - 02:52 .

[Chromie]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Jestina wrote...
You don't know what an RPG is obviously. The majority of good RPG's start with character creation which should be a joint effort between the player and the person running the game.

You've probably never heard of Planescape: Torment and the Gothic series then. A CC is not mandatory for a "good" RPG.

Clearly PS:T isn't an RPGs then.

[Dreadstruck]

Skelter192 wrote...
Clearly PS:T isn't an RPGs then.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 11 mai 2012 - 02:55 .

[Jestina]

Skelter192 wrote...
Clearly PS:T isn't an RPGs then.

You're digging up a game that's thirteen years old without the advantages of today's technology. And that's the problem, they did make great RPG's back then with just a fraction of the tech they have now, yet today's games don't have have near as much substance or freedom.

[Chromie]

Jestina wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...
Clearly PS:T isn't an RPGs then.

You're digging up a game that's thirteen years old without the advantages of today's technology. And that's the problem, they did make great RPG's back then with just a fraction of the tech they have now, yet today's games don't have have near as much substance or freedom.

What does tech have to do with it? A set protagonist is a set protagonist.

[Jestina]

Skelter192 wrote...
What does tech have to do with it? A set protagonist is a set protagonist.

Because you can do so much more now than you could back then but they don't...and the character in that game was pretty much a blank slate, and it does have some character creation process obviously, since it's a D&D setting.

[Tirigon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

All defeats that are not followed by a loadscreen  - or game over, if you play on insane - are dictated by the plot.

But some end up having a deeper meaning and end up developping the characters involved. Others end up being useless, poorly done and just more blatantly about plot dictates.
That's what seperates Letho from Kai Leng.

That is what I meant. But it is still dictated by plot.

[Damariel]

Jestina wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...
What does tech have to do with it? A set protagonist is a set protagonist.

Because you can do so much more now than you could back then but they don't...and the character in that game was pretty much a blank slate, and it does have some character creation process obviously, since it's a D&D setting.

............... [facepalm] yeah Skelter is right here.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

The issue of set protagonist is one tied to the plot given, not about technology.

As for the other issues pertaining to substance and freedom, that's more of a "game by game" issue, rather than one that's inherently decided by whether a protagonist is set or not.

It's also funny you're pulling the "older games were better and had more substance!" card with Ringo.

For the most part, he (or is it she, I have no idea ) agrees with that assessment.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 11 mai 2012 - 03:21 .

[Addai]

Jestina wrote...
You don't know what an RPG is obviously. The majority of good RPG's start with character creation which should be a joint effort between the player and the person running the game.

My husband won't play the Witcher games for this reason.

Usually I don't like set characters, but with these games it works for me.   Having a set character in a cinematic game means that there can be characterization that doesn't feel like the devs are violating "your" character.   I like Geralt, I'm now familiar with him as a person and find it very easy to slip into his skin (hmm, let the puns run wild  ).  It's also not obvious, but you can actually shape him in many ways because CDPR has worked so hard to make sure there are actual plot choices in these games.  This is why we have arguments in the thread about Scoai'tael and Order/ Blue Stripes- the way we play Geralt is very different.

[Jestina]

Addai67 wrote...
Usually I don't like set characters, but with these games it works for me.

Maybe not so bad for the guys, but I find it impossible to get into playing a male character. It's almost always a male too with these pre-generated characters.

[tez19]

Lol i thought it would be to do with Bioware bending over backwards to please the ****** and female crowd. The witcher is for real gamers. But power to ya sister, keep fighting da gd fight.

[Costin_Razvan]

So I finished the Secrets of Loc Muinne. All well and good. Talked with Cynthia, asked her about Geralt's past then had sex with her and found out Geralt had been a rider of the Wild Hunt.

WAIT WHAT?!

[Tirigon]

Jestina wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Usually I don't like set characters, but with these games it works for me.

Maybe not so bad for the guys, but I find it impossible to get into playing a male character. It's almost always a male too with these pre-generated characters.

Because Lara Croft is totally not one of the most iconic video game protagonists ever, right?
And she is totally not female either.
Or Samus Aran.
Or Sarah Kerrigan.
Or, if we want to include non-playable characters, Liara, Tali, Triss Merigold, Cortana......

I can honestly think of more important female characters than male ones.

[Jestina]

Tirigon wrote...
Because Lara Croft is totally not one of the most iconic video game protagonists ever, right?
And she is totally not female either.

We're talking RPG's, not action/adventure games.

[Tirigon]

Jestina wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Because Lara Croft is totally not one of the most iconic video game protagonists ever, right?
And she is totally not female either.

We're talking RPG's, not action/adventure games.

Way to pick what fits your point. But then, have Shepard.

[KingJason13]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So I finished the Secrets of Loc Muinne. All well and good. Talked with Cynthia, asked her about Geralt's past then had sex with her and found out Geralt had been a rider of the Wild Hunt.

WAIT WHAT?!

SPOILER ALERT! Next time, please...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So I finished the Secrets of Loc Muinne. All well and good. Talked with Cynthia, asked her about Geralt's past then had sex with her and found out Geralt had been a rider of the Wild Hunt.

WAIT WHAT?!

Yes we already knew that, the king said as much in TW1.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 11 mai 2012 - 05:55 .

[tez19]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So I finished the Secrets of Loc Muinne. All well and good. Talked with Cynthia, asked her about Geralt's past then had sex with her and found out Geralt had been a rider of the Wild Hunt.

WAIT WHAT?!

Is dat on iorveths path? I very much doubt these words as they would not exclude this information from the other path. Too much of a big deal.

[Costin_Razvan]

When did the King of the WIld Hunt say Geralt was a rider of the hunt? I guess it was implied but really.

Is dat on iorveths path? I very much doubt these words as they would not exclude this information from the other path. Too much of a big deal. 

There's a lot of information one misses out on if he or she only plays one path.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 11 mai 2012 - 06:58 .

[Sebby]

There's a flashback in TW2 where Geralt says he offered himself over Yennefer. Him becoming a rider is the logical conclusion.