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[Costin_Razvan]

Warcraft 3 had a good story.

[Babli]

Welp, I played Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne for the story. Was disappointed when WoW was announced instead of W4. But seeing Blizzard´s practices nowadays and the fact that Arthas is dead, I dont even want to see next Warcraft strategy

[Costin_Razvan]

WoW actually had a relatively good story when it first came out and in TBC.

[Babli]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

WoW actually had a relatively good story when it first came out and in TBC.

It could have, but I dont play multiplayer games.

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Blizzard should STFU when criticizing others for their story. Considering the BS they pulled off in WoW, Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.

All of them were better than ME3.

And that aside, none of them were advertised with the story; unlike in BioWare games, were it is the ONLY important thing, story in Blizz games is more like "well you should have SOME reason to click a million monsters to death, surely?"

[Persephone]

Tirigon wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Blizzard should STFU when criticizing others for their story. Considering the BS they pulled off in WoW, Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.

All of them were better than ME3.

*Coughs*

Yeah, no. Not saying that those are bad games but....taking the Bioware/hate bandwagon a tad far there.

[Tirigon]

Persephone wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Blizzard should STFU when criticizing others for their story. Considering the BS they pulled off in WoW, Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.

All of them were better than ME3.

*Coughs*

Yeah, no. Not saying that those are bad games but....taking the Bioware/hate bandwagon a tad far there.

I dont hate BioWare, at all.
I just think they f*cked up ME3, which is something that cant be said about Blizz in regard to the games I mentioned.

Well except WoW, which I hate, but that is only because I dislike MMOs in general.

[Persephone]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...



"The differences aren't just the change in one colour"

Legendary.

Yes, utterly....witty. *Snerks* And oh so clever.

At the same time, they still pull the 16 endings lie yet again. So yeah, no, trailer just lost all validity in my eyes.

I love their games. I see nothing amusing in such juvenile behavior though.

[Persephone]

Tirigon wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Blizzard should STFU when criticizing others for their story. Considering the BS they pulled off in WoW, Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.

All of them were better than ME3.

*Coughs*

Yeah, no. Not saying that those are bad games but....taking the Bioware/hate bandwagon a tad far there.

I dont hate BioWare, at all.
I just think they f*cked up ME3, which is something that cant be said about Blizz in regard to the games I mentioned.

Well except WoW, which I hate, but that is only because I dislike MMOs in general.

Opinions & all.

I can't stand Diablo 3. I thought it was not only a mediocre game but the DRM drama only made it worse.

Story wise, none of the games above are better than ME3 IMHO and WOW....well, that game is messed up in more ways than one.

[Seboist]

Tirigon wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Blizzard should STFU when criticizing others for their story. Considering the BS they pulled off in WoW, Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3.

All of them were better than ME3.

And that aside, none of them were advertised with the story; unlike in BioWare games, were it is the ONLY important thing, story in Blizz games is more like "well you should have SOME reason to click a million monsters to death, surely?"

I don't know about Wow and Diablo 3 but Starcraft 2 is certainly far superior to ME3. That game had actual C&C and a branching narrative unlike the entire ME trilogy.

Being beaten by an RTS, oh Bioware.... lmao. Then again we even have fighting games and Rockstar's sandbox games doing that.

[Costin_Razvan]

Persephone: You are spinning bull**** if you are going to claim that Starcraft 1 or Warcraft 3 had a worse story then ME3. They ****ing didn't.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone: You are spinning bull**** if you are going to claim that Starcraft 1 or Warcraft 3 had a worse story then ME3. They ****ing didn't.

I never said worse. Just not "better" in my opinion. Which isn't a fact, mind you, given that taste and preference are subjective.

[Seboist]

Neither Starcraft or Warcraft had mind boggling moronic plots like the crucible and neither do games like Zelda for that matter. So yeah ME3 is right off the bat the worse plot.

[Persephone]

Seboist wrote...

Neither Starcraft or Warcraft had mind boggling moronic plots like the crucible and neither do games like Zelda for that matter. So yeah ME3 is right off the bat the worse plot.

In your opinion, maybe. Which I couldn't care less about. <_<

[Seboist]

Persephone wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Neither Starcraft or Warcraft had mind boggling moronic plots like the crucible and neither do games like Zelda for that matter. So yeah ME3 is right off the bat the worse plot.

In your opinion, maybe. Which I couldn't care less about. <_<

I understand it's hard to defend schlock written by writers who are too crap to be hired to do trashy soap opera eps.You have my sympathies.

[Tirigon]

Persephone wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Neither Starcraft or Warcraft had mind boggling moronic plots like the crucible and neither do games like Zelda for that matter. So yeah ME3 is right off the bat the worse plot.

In your opinion, maybe. Which I couldn't care less about. <_<

Whether or not ME3's story is entertaining is a matter of opinion. Whether or not it is good, is not.


But yea, I guess that is not really the topic of this thread anyways, we have the entire ME3 forum for that.

Modifié par Tirigon, 27 mai 2012 - 11:12 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Persephone wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Neither Starcraft or Warcraft had mind boggling moronic plots like the crucible and neither do games like Zelda for that matter. So yeah ME3 is right off the bat the worse plot.

In your opinion, maybe. Which I couldn't care less about. <_<

So why should we care for your fangirl opinion? You've made it clear you will defend Bioware because you owe them for their good games. Seriously Persephone as long as people like you defend them for their BS they will never change.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2012 - 11:16 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Neither Starcraft or Warcraft had mind boggling moronic plots like the crucible and neither do games like Zelda for that matter. So yeah ME3 is right off the bat the worse plot.

In your opinion, maybe. Which I couldn't care less about. <_<

So why should we care for your fangirl opinion?

You shouldn't. The only opinion you should care about is your own.

I do not defend Bioware because I "owe" them anything. They are a company like any other. Do they make my favorite games? Sure. Do I criticize them if I dislike something they do? You betcha. Done it before & will do it again. B/W isn't my style. I do not love or hate absolutely.

And the word "fangirl" doesn't insult me. I'm a Bioware fangirl, sure. Just as there are plenty of CDPR fanboys & fangirls in this very thread. Heck, I'm one of them.

[Persephone]

Tirigon wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Neither Starcraft or Warcraft had mind boggling moronic plots like the crucible and neither do games like Zelda for that matter. So yeah ME3 is right off the bat the worse plot.

In your opinion, maybe. Which I couldn't care less about. <_<

Whether or not ME3's story is entertaining is a matter of opinion. Whether or not it is good, is not.

Actually, both are very much a matter of opinion. Quality is subjective, as it the same every individual.

An extreme example debated to this day: Maria Callas. The opera community, the fandom, if you will; is still very much split on just how great her artistry was. Some hear a brilliant technique and marvels of interpretation, others are put off by the metallic, uneven timbre, the occasional sour high note and the ever present wobble in her later years.

How does this tie back to the story of ME3 and its quality or lack thereof? See, some seek beautiful sound and an even sound production and others want fireworks and riveting drama. In writing, some love mesmerizing scope, research and intrigue (I.E. Tolstoi) and others want simmering emotions, character portrayals that are vibrant and moving....(I.E. Bronte, Pushkin or, as a more modern example, McCullough and Zimmer Bradley). There are so many measures for "quality", they cannot be narrowed down to "This is good & this is not."

[Seboist]

If "quality was subjective" then Mcdonalds would be a five star restaurant. There's no question that objectively ME3's plot is completely nonsensical given the setup of the "crucible" which makes the plot devices in paper thin stories like Zelda and Ys look like literary masterpieces.

[Chromie]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone: You are spinning bull**** if you are going to claim that Starcraft 1 or Warcraft 3 had a worse story then ME3. They ****ing didn't.

Man I loved Starcraft and Warcraft III's plot along with Alpha Centauri it's some of the better plots in a strategy game that I've played. What I said before I meant after Warcraft III story just didn't matter anymore. Vanilla WoW was ok story wise but then BC hit and crazy **** happened and I hate how Illidian was killed but yea I agree Starcraft and Warcraft had better story and writing than ME3.

Even if I didn't count the last 10 minutes of ME3 the quality in the writing just dropped.

[Persephone]

Seboist wrote...

If "quality was subjective" then Mcdonalds would be a five star restaurant. There's no question that objectively ME3's plot is completely nonsensical given the setup of the "crucible" which makes the plot devices in paper thin stories like Zelda and Ys look like literary masterpieces.

There is every question, really. Quality & taste is subjective and there is nothing to be done about it. Values, rules, tastes, preferences....have one thing in common, they vary from person to person, no one has exactly the same as another. Dislike ME3 all you like, criticize it sharply, that is your right and yes, it certainly isn't up there with Pushkin and the likes. It still is no more and no less than your opinion, no matter who or how many share it. Not a fact, not a dogma, not objective.

[Costin_Razvan]

The reason why ME3 sucks from an objective standpoint is that it just doesn't make sense why TIM would lose his mind and indoctrinate himself, why Udina would be a complete and utter idiot. Why Legion would do an 180.

it sucks because regardless of what you told Moridn in ME2 he states the exact same bloody thing in ME3 about the genophage. You can't defend these things so you resort to making it seems like our statements are just worthless opinions. Well here's something: You can't prove they are worthless unless you provide a strong argument against the points we bring up, and you can't provide a strong argument for something is both illogical AND goes against it's own universe.

You can't just say: Well it's purely subjective, without providing an argument as to why it's purely subjective, as to how they make sense.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 mai 2012 - 02:00 .

[Seboist]

Persephone wrote...

Seboist wrote...

If "quality was subjective" then Mcdonalds would be a five star restaurant. There's no question that objectively ME3's plot is completely nonsensical given the setup of the "crucible" which makes the plot devices in paper thin stories like Zelda and Ys look like literary masterpieces.

There is every question, really. Quality & taste is subjective and there is nothing to be done about it. Values, rules, tastes, preferences....have one thing in common, they vary from person to person, no one has exactly the same as another. Dislike ME3 all you like, criticize it sharply, that is your right and yes, it certainly isn't up there with Pushkin and the likes. It still is no more and no less than your opinion, no matter who or how many share it. Not a fact, not a dogma, not objective.

So having a grand coalition divert critical resources during a desperate war for survival against machine gods to a complete unknown that nobody knows how it works or what it does and who nobody has even able been able to assemble in millions of years is logical to you? Then there's the plot holes of Vigil never mentioning it but Javik knows of it and Shepard needing a cipher to understand a simple warning but the crucible data can be read by any idiot and his mother.

The only thing more mind boggling than this moronic plot is how anyone can defend it with a straight face.

[Addai]

Seboist wrote...
The only thing more mind boggling than this moronic plot is how anyone can defend it with a straight face.

Not only does its plot not make sense- it makes the entire series suck in retrospect.  None of it holds together.  It's obvious they had only the vaguest idea of where they were going when they started and had to resort to really cheap tricks by the end.

Persephone is right that taste is subjective, but the prevailing opinion is pretty strong on this one.  All stories have weaknesses and things that require the viewer/ reader to stretch a little, but when so many people feel crushing disappointment at how things are (not) resolved, you're dealing with a bomb and there's no sense in sugar coating it.  But hey, how bout that multiplayer!! 

I'm hoping that even with the departure of Jan Bartkowicz, someone at CDPR has a tight enough rein on the narrative that the Witcher trilogy (supposing it's a trilogy) will land with a satisfying conclusion.