13812 réponses à ce sujet

[mupp3tz]

Russalka wrote...

For once, I would like female-specific dialogue to not mean immediately resorting to feminine wiles and using sexuality as a weapon.

If CDPR did go the route of making gender impact dialogue... I don't think they would resort to that.  The women in the Witcherverse are some of the biggest badasses I have come across and are fully forces to be reckoned with.  I have a feeling that CDPR could make a female protagonist quite awesome, without everything relying on sexual charm.

[Addai]

Mr.House wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Examples?

Benny in NV.

The Black Widow perk should be about, what- income inequality and the size of the ladies' room at the Tops? 

[Alpha-Centuri]

Mr.House wrote...

Um play NV. Your gender was not just "cosmetic". Your gender gave you access to diffrent perks, dialog, diffrent rewards, diffrent ways to take a quest ect. Also Cyberpunks source matrial has always been customization of your character, for CDP not do that, they are not only not following their source matrial, they are taking the easy way. Not everyone who liked TW2 will like Cyberpunk, it's diffrent, and vise versa. I don't want CDP to take the easy way, I want them to do justice to the osurce matrial. If Cyberpunk had a preset character then I would not mind as much, disapointed liek i was with Geralt it would not be an issue at all, but this is not the case. It would be like Bioware(when Bioware was a good video game dev and was not owned by EA) forcing you to play a human male in BG2, despite the fact that BG2 followed suit with D&D customization options and source matrial. CDP is doing the same here, so yes I hope gender is an option as it would just create more options to make more characters.

If NV can do it, there is no reason CDP can not do it, and they can probaly do it better.

First off, I have the utmost respect for CDProjekt. I think they could do it too.

Fallout 3 did it.. Kinda. (I didn't play New Vegas, but I do remember fallout 3 vividly.) Each thing was balanced with an equal male choice/perk. Black Widow = Lady Killer. They affect opposite sex, that's all. The gameplay did not differ very much. I agree that it was more than cosmetic, and I can't speak for New Vegas, but the rewards were not tangibly different. It was Flavor text plus use of pronoun was the average.

And @Russalka, yeah I hear ya, although its also very limiting when you omit the facet that men can be pigs and women can take advantage of that. If you can have the choice to murder your way in the building, I think you should be able to flirt your way in. Just sayin'


Edit: Just reiterating/thinking about it further... Your gender played such a negligible role in the story for Fallout 3, its amazing if it did pick up in NV. Does the Courier's gender actually play a role in the story?

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 31 mai 2012 - 05:50 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

If the Witcher 2 had gender selection, it would be a crime NOT to allow woman character to seduce to get their way. In this setting, it is an extremely common way of reaching a particular goal. Sorceresses do it all the time.

Now if we had a different setting, one very dissimilar from TW2, then i'm sure some less "offensive" perks could be added to female characters.

I'm extremely curious though, what would those perks be? Other than varying form os manipulation, I can't think of anything that could be excluded to one gender that wouldn't work for the other

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 31 mai 2012 - 06:19 .

[Chromie]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
If the Witcher 2 had gender selection, it would be a crime NOT to allow woman character to seduce to get their way. In this setting, it is an extremely common way of reaching a particular goal. Sorceresses do it all the time.

It's common nowadays even!

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Now if we had a different setting, one very dissimilar from TW2, then i'm sure some less "offensive" perks could be added to female characters.

Like I said seduction isn't something tied to a specific time period I fully expect a woman to use all her assets be it brains, brawn or physique to accomplish her goal the same way I expect a man to do so.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Men can be as good at seduction as women. I always appreciate having the option.

[Seboist]

The gender of a PC can be used in less stereotypical manners like having a female character be more willing to open up to a female PC.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Women are smarter in that regard... Nahhh KoP, I gotta disagree. You might find a Cassanova, but there are way more Jezebel's out there and they tend to be more effective. I doubt you'll see a guy play hard to get with a girl very often .

[KnightofPhoenix]

What? Guys do that all the time. At least my circle of friends.

[Clover Rider]

Skelter192 wrote...

One_Sunny_Place wrote...

CDProjekt says Thank you!

This is literally one of the best "Thank You"s i've ever seen.

Gotta love 'em.

Yeah.

[Addai]

One_Sunny_Place wrote...

CDProjekt says Thank you!

This is literally one of the best "Thank You"s i've ever seen.

LOL They're so adorable.

[Tirigon]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Women are smarter in that regard... Nahhh KoP, I gotta disagree. You might find a Cassanova, but there are way more Jezebel's out there and they tend to be more effective. I doubt you'll see a guy play hard to get with a girl very often .

Actually men tend to be better at this sort of thing than women, because women dont even need to bother. Even if they are merely average-looking, wearing a low-cut dress and giving a good look at their chest is enough to succeed with 90% of men.



To get back on topic though, I doubt having a seduction perk or something would be a good idea. That sort of thing tends to not work well because in the end, it comes down to buying a certain skill with skillpoints and then clicking the pink dialogue instead of the normal one.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Lol you got me there Tiri. They tend to have an advantage is all I meant.

I agree as well with your second point It should be inherent though. Just on account of your char being female you get benefits and disadvantages.

I'm thinking like Alpha Protocol in terms of being a veteran/recruit/etc. It opens the game up to vary a bit.

Another thing, will any game have skill checks the equivalent to speech checks like Alpha Protocol? I was so shocked when I found out I could actually get both the data and save SIE if my tech lvl was high enough (I think... haven't played the game in so long). Maybe a sneak check or agility check or whatever... I dunno, i'm just rambling.

[Persephone]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Women are smarter in that regard... Nahhh KoP, I gotta disagree. You might find a Cassanova, but there are way more Jezebel's out there and they tend to be more effective. I doubt you'll see a guy play hard to get with a girl very often .

And there go the stereotypes.....

For every Mr. Darcy and Mr. Knightley etc. you also get dozens upon dozens abusive, sexist and fornicating heroes in literature, film, theatre, games and musical theatre. All catering to, sorry to say, the "straight male gamer/reader/you name it." And demonizing women as heartless, vily, scheming Jezebels is part of that. (Even though most don't even know who Jezebel was, heh!) 

Which just reminds me of the "OMG, a dude hit on my *insert male protagonist, oh noes!" phenomenon. Well, sorry to say this but women are hit on by unwanted suitors every day. How does it feel the other way around, huh?

What's my point? Men are just as ruthless and capable when it comes to manipulating women through sex, love and seduction. More so even, given their privileged treatment even today, never mind Medieval times.

I like being able to use seduction in a game, sure. It was one of VTM Bloodlines' best features. But I also like to see my Femshep snarking "Show me yours, tough guy. I bet mine is bigger." when being mistaken for a stripper of all things.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Please understand Persephone, that I am by no means a sociologist who has extensively studied the plight of women in western society, nor am I a bumbling idiot (I don't think so) who has a caricature of women in my mind. As well, I would be lying to you if I said that I didn't have developed notions that are not free from generalizations. Many ideas are formed through anecdotal experiences that are sometimes hard to shake. With that aside, if I get the gist of your post, it's "don't generalize, men can be just as bad as what you're portraying." You're right, nobody likes to be stereotyped. Media has done a pretty good job of ingraining he image of the female as seductress. Sorry if I generalized, because the image of the female as seductress is a manufactured image, just as the antithesis of that image is equally and possibly more so fake. Atleast from my experience with living human beings and time studying.

Jezebel = A female seductress who does a hell of a job at manipulating a guy to do whatever she wants, often to his detriment (my definition). Jezebel in history = the wife of Ahab I still remember some Sunday School.

As to your point about unwanted affections... Hell, I had several female suitors of mine that I had no interest in whatsoever who were just... so... forward. You do get an idea of "omg.. is this what girls have to through?" To be fair, the ratio at my college is 8 girls to 1 guy on campus, and its the guys that are the hunted rather than the hunter. I'm sure that is coloring a little bit of my perception. My current girlfriend approached me, not the standard other way around.

And to your last point. I'm not saying limit missions to women having to use seduction. I'm advocating more choice; the lack of choice is something that has in my opinion plagued customizable character RPGS in this context. It's something that is always approached with kiddie gloves. I'm not saying go all sex sim or anything like that. Although it may have been too jarring, I think of NWN A dance with rogues module, where the game was clearly tailored with the idea of a woman as the main character. Not the cliche tough chick, nor the cliche damsel in distress. A nuanced, tough, yet vulnerable (atleast in the beginning) character. I guess that is the heart of it. Characters like Femshep, Female Hawke, etc. are cliche to me, and more and more games are going that route.

Although not an RPG, I'm looking forward to the new vision of Lara Croft, it seems pretty good.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 01 juin 2012 - 04:11 .

[Seboist]

Persephone wrote...

Femshep snarking "Show me yours, tough guy. I bet mine is bigger." when being mistaken for a stripper of all things.

That line was good if for no other reason than even for a brief moment gives the impression the player is playing something that isn't just Sheploo with boobs. Still doesn't make up for the fact that femshep's interaction with a womanizing magnificent bastard is the exact same as Sheploo's in that game though.

[Haplose]

I've had a pretty terrible track record with the Witcher 2 after the patches and EE. Especially after I changed my graphics card to 560 Ti. Usually I could never get it to launch or (after the "Hotfix") it took 10-15 minutes to launch the menu and another 10-15 to load a game... which frequently got corrupted and/or crashed. Lowering texture memory limit to "Small" seemed to help... but caused issues with poor performance and textures loading slow/late/very near.
I even tried all nvidia drivers between 2.75 and 301.24 (better don't use 301 for the Witcher 2, unless the new patch fixed compability with them as well)!
I can't remember any other games that caused me so much trouble.

Thank God for the new Patch 3.1! Seems like I can finally play the damn game and finally see the Iorveth path.

Modifié par Haplose, 01 juin 2012 - 06:41 .

[Persephone]

Seboist wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Femshep snarking "Show me yours, tough guy. I bet mine is bigger." when being mistaken for a stripper of all things.

That line was good if for no other reason than even for a brief moment gives the impression the player is playing something that isn't just Sheploo with boobs. Still doesn't make up for the fact that femshep's interaction with a womanizing magnificent bastard is the exact same as Sheploo's in that game though.

Well, my Canon Shep is female, so Sheploo is FemShep without boobs and a much worse VO actor to me. *Shrugs* What can I say, I love Jennifer Hale. Marc Meer sure improved and I loved him in ME3 though.

[UpDownLeftRight]

What do you think is the best thing of these two things?

Give Iorveth his sword and then choose Iorveth?

Give Iorveth to Roche and then choose Iorveth?

[Tirigon]

UpDownLeftRight wrote...

What do you think is the best thing of these two things?

Give Iorveth his sword and then choose Iorveth?

Give Iorveth to Roche and then choose Iorveth?

The first of course. Only a mental person would ally with the guy he just gave to a torturer who wants him dead.



Edit @ Costin: Only if you metagame though. When you have to decide whether or not to give Iorveth his sword, you cant know what comes from it.

Modifié par Tirigon, 01 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[Costin_Razvan]

The second since you spare Flotsam from a massacre, and you don't ****** off Roche as much and Iorveth doesn't really care.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 juin 2012 - 11:37 .

[Tirigon]

Persephone wrote...

Which just reminds me of the "OMG, a dude hit on my *insert male protagonist, oh noes!" phenomenon. Well, sorry to say this but women are hit on by unwanted suitors every day. How does it feel the other way around, huh?

You must look very good if that is a problem for you, you should be happy.

For most people however that is not a problem, regardless of gender.


That being said, I dont understand why a guy would be offended if being hit on by a gay man. Imo it's flattering rather than offensive.

Of course, if the guy starts molesting you it's a different story, but most people have a bit self-control to not do that, and in the very worst case there is always the good old method of refusal known as "kick him in the balls till he starts crying".

Modifié par Tirigon, 01 juin 2012 - 12:00 .

[stonbw1]

Two real general noob questions (I've tried reading, but just can't find the answers): I'm about 1/2 way into Act II and combat is getting easier b/c of better equipment. (1) With that said, is it fair to say that the higher an items worth, the better the equipment? I know each has its attributes, but I've seen some equipment that statistically seems to be better, but are worth less than others. (2) What in the world are mutagens and how do I use them? Thanks in advance.

[slimgrin]

With gear you want to consider effects as much as stats imo. Stats stack across gear types in this game. Mutagens do exactly as the description says. Never bother with lesser mutagens. Check out the Wiki for more info.

http://witcher.wikia...ki/Witcher_Wiki

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 juin 2012 - 02:30 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tirigon wrote...

That being said, I dont understand why a guy would be offended if being hit on by a gay man. Imo it's flattering rather than offensive.

Likewise, I take it as a compliment.