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[wolfsite]

Well I finished a full/complete playthrough of The Witcher 1.

My original viewpoints stand it is a horrible game.

Combat was very bland and boring being more quick-time events rather than actual strategy.

Missions felt more like go from Point A to Point B.... back to Point A, over to Point B... ack to point A again.

Chapter 4 could have been removed completely from the game since it felt tacked on and forced for the most part.

The final run was very boring with nothing but wash,rince, and repeat action with nothing to differentiate one battle from the next.

Weapons are pointless in this game as all you need is Sword A and Sword B, I realize it's for the lore but if you strike a normal person with a sword no matter iron or silver that is gonna do some damage (Like all other realms were a silver sword does equal damage to regular swords and bonus damage to undead etc).

Plot when paint by numbers at the end becoming predictable with paper thin characters.

Ending was a let down too as it was left vague so you don't really see any consequences to your actions, just the usual it got worse but then it went back to normal.


So in the end a bad game, and I am not saying that to troll or anything, this is from a full play beginning to end from someone who loves playing RPG's.

[slimgrin]

Speaking of TW1

FCR has been updated. It features more difficult combat and revamps skill tree, weapons, etc. Also a nice minimal HUD. 

http://ifrit.pl/proj...ombat-rebalance

Modifié par slimgrin, 21 juin 2012 - 12:32 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

Sorry you didn't enjoy it wolfsite. I didn't enjoy TW1 much either for similar gripes, but I will respectfully disagree with your story qualms. They all fit within the parameters built by the story, and the ending ambiguity regarding Alvin was top notch. Looking back you see how it fit together. As to the paper-thin char's... I'll just disagree. The big bad's nuance was actually done quite well and a lot of "fridge logic" if you pay attention. To each their own though.

Have you decided if you were gonna give TW2 a try? I remember a while back you seemed bent in opposition to it although you had never played the game. This was a few months ago so maybe your stance has changed? I heartily recommend the game FWIW. it truly is a gem of a game imo, and I hope that Bioware can take their model of consequences in future games.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 21 juin 2012 - 02:43 .

[slimgrin]

Another interview, this time with Wil Wheaton...I had no idea he was a gamer. O_o.

http://www.vg247.com...ays-cd-projekt/

Modifié par slimgrin, 21 juin 2012 - 02:55 .

[OMTING52601]

I am so excited about Cyberpunk. I'm hoping what they said about making it quite detailed and complex, story and character wise, should the player be inclined to follow that path turns out to be true. I really enjoyed TW2 so I'm really keen to see what CDPR does with Cyberpunk. Especially since I'm familiar with the game itself.

[wolfsite]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Sorry you didn't enjoy it wolfsite. I didn't enjoy TW1 much either for similar gripes, but I will respectfully disagree with your story qualms. They all fit within the parameters built by the story, and the ending ambiguity regarding Alvin was top notch. Looking back you see how it fit together. As to the paper-thin char's... I'll just disagree. The big bad's nuance was actually done quite well and a lot of "fridge logic" if you pay attention. To each their own though.

Have you decided if you were gonna give TW2 a try? I remember a while back you seemed bent in opposition to it although you had never played the game. This was a few months ago so maybe your stance has changed? I heartily recommend the game FWIW. it truly is a gem of a game imo, and I hope that Bioware can take their model of consequences in future games.

Ya I felt I should play them in order, gonna install Witcher 2 now.  Regardless of my feelings about the games CDProject and GOG know how to treat there customers right in terms of download content and making there games widely available.

[wolfsite]

Got it installed, started playing, imported a save from Witcher 1.  Already the game is ignoring things I did in the first game and doing it's own thing...... not a good sign.

[Nerevar-as]

wolfsite wrote...

Got it installed, started playing, imported a save from Witcher 1.  Already the game is ignoring things I did in the first game and doing it's own thing...... not a good sign.

If you mean Shani, am I the only one who understood Geralt would break up with her at the end of the game?

[Chromie]

Nerevar-as wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Got it installed, started playing, imported a save from Witcher 1.  Already the game is ignoring things I did in the first game and doing it's own thing...... not a good sign.

If you mean Shani, am I the only one who understood Geralt would break up with her at the end of the game?

Shani is mentioned in the Journal check the characters tab. Frankly I preferred this instead of having a bad cameo a la Alistir in DA2 which served no purpose.

[wolfsite]

Skelter192 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Got it installed, started playing, imported a save from Witcher 1.  Already the game is ignoring things I did in the first game and doing it's own thing...... not a good sign.

If you mean Shani, am I the only one who understood Geralt would break up with her at the end of the game?

Shani is mentioned in the Journal check the characters tab. Frankly I preferred this instead of having a bad cameo a la Alistir in DA2 which served no purpose.

Ya but the way Triss acted in W1 in my game kind of makes the opening in W2 sort of impossible without retconning a few things in the playthrough I had.  Really breaks emersion and the choices matter and having concequnces thing people talk about.

[Chromie]

Well I don't think I imported a save with a Shani romance so I wouldn't know.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Nah... You can be a jerk to her in TW1, and she becomes angry that you chose Shani over and all, but it is still reasonable that given the opportunity (Geralt and Triss alone far away from Vizima), Geralt and Triss would go back to ****ing each other. Without spoiling anything, Geralt and Triss have a long history with each other, and she, while mad at Geralt, has always been in love with him. Trust me when I say there will be roleplaying opportunity to establish your love or lack thereof of Triss.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 21 juin 2012 - 05:26 .

[wolfsite]

Skelter192 wrote...

Well I don't think I imported a save with a Shani romance so I wouldn't know.

Well lets put it this way, the way Triss was acting in my game the only way she would get back in bed with Geralt was if a dagger and his back was involved, so the way she is acting in 2 doesn't make sense... unless she is just a village bicycle.

So yes story issues right off the bat.

[Addai]

Like Alpha-Centauri said, Triss has history with Geralt prior to TW1. If you pay attention to her dialogue at Kaer Morhen, she mentions "all the old feelings came back..." Geralt's her OTL, whether he reciprocates it or not.

[KnightofPhoenix]

wolfsite wrote...
Well lets put it this way, the way Triss was acting in my game the only way she would get back in bed with Geralt was if a dagger and his back was involved

I have no idea what game you played.

Yea people can get very angry and get over it (more so when the object of dispute is no longer relevent), especially if they are madly in love, which is what Triss feels towards Geralt.

[wolfsite]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

wolfsite wrote...
Well lets put it this way, the way Triss was acting in my game the only way she would get back in bed with Geralt was if a dagger and his back was involved

I have no idea what game you played.

Yea people can get very angry and get over it (more so when the object of dispute is no longer relevent), especially if they are madly in love, which is what Triss feels towards Geralt.

Well she was telling me to "Get the hell out" in my game.... and that is putting it mildly.  The way she was acting when I imported that game over is a complete 180 to that.  That is a writing error.

[slimgrin]

No it's not. It's the smart thing to do if Triss is to play a significant role in TW2. It's the only option really. You'll get to decide your stance with her later on.

Porting decisions in sequels is a flawed concept, and it can never amount to more than minor changes/additions to a game's narrative. You simply can't take the idea too far since some newcomers may start with the latest iteration. Bioware made a pretty heroic effort with this idea in the Mass Effect series, then got burned when fans were pissed that major decisions weren't ported over. It can't be done to that degree. Each game has to stand on its own.

Also, they made changes to Triss's personality and demeanor. Changes for the better imo.

Modifié par slimgrin, 22 juin 2012 - 01:02 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

wolfsite wrote...
Well she was telling me to "Get the hell out" in my game.... and that is putting it mildly.  The way she was acting when I imported that game over is a complete 180 to that.  That is a writing error.

Yea and between the 2 games, months took place. She can get over it.

It's not perfect (especially since the choice in the first place was dumb. Picking Shani is just stupid). But it's not a disaster that people are making it out to be either.

Triss always loved Geralt to the point of obsession. One fight is not going to change that.

[Lakhi]

One can only hope that Shani died a very painful death in the middle of the night, a long lock of red hair the only trace of her killer =P

Modifié par Lakhi, 22 juin 2012 - 01:11 .

[Mr.House]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

wolfsite wrote...
Well she was telling me to "Get the hell out" in my game.... and that is putting it mildly.  The way she was acting when I imported that game over is a complete 180 to that.  That is a writing error.

Yea and between the 2 games, months took place. She can get over it.

It's not perfect (especially since the choice in the first place was dumb. Picking Shani is just stupid). But it's not a disaster that people are making it out to be either.

Triss always loved Geralt to the point of obsession. One fight is not going to change that.

Who says my Geralt does. My Geralt picked Shani because he trust Shani, he does not trust Triss at all, and Triss has proven in two games she is a liar, a scheamer and has hidden facts. So Triss can go to hell. I expect another forced "you love Triss!" crap that got forced down my throat while good characters like Shani, Vincent and Thaler just get ignored, a mention or osme porrly done journal entry while CDp keeps shoving down an annoying witch called Triss.

Triss was bearable in the books, in the games she makes me want to feed her to a nekker.

Modifié par Mr.House, 22 juin 2012 - 01:57 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

You are never forced to love Triss at all.

But Geralt has to care for her to some extent, that's just who he is. You are playing Geralt.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[Mr.House]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You are never forced to love Triss at all.

But Geralt has to care for her to some extent, that's just who he is. You are playing Geralt.

So why do people talk about Geralt and Triss being an item? Why do certain characters say they love eachother? Why does the game open up with them in bed and they are about to have sex? Why does Geralt say let's go back to the tent with no player input? Let's not forget Dandy's dialog about Triss and Yen, which does not change, even if you did pick Shani in TW2.

I can go on, you never once can just treat Triss like a friend in TW2, you are forced into a realonship or friends with benifits, this nufflies many relonship choices between her and Geralt in TW. CDP tried to ignore Shani and it backfired as unlike you, not many people find it stupid and want choices to truly matter for Geralt. You like being forced to be Triss's lover? Good for you, I don't and I was able to do that in TW, I could only do that to a lesser affect in TW2.

Only thing CDP can do in TW3 is bring back Shani(as long as she comes back in a role that makes sense and fit's he plot) and I can feed Triss to a nekker. That will make me very happy.

Modifié par Mr.House, 22 juin 2012 - 02:21 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

They don't. People ask if they are together because everyone know they ****. That's it.
In these same convos, you can have your Geralt say that he doesn't love her. You are never forced to have Geralt love her or even want to keep ****ing, that only happens in the prologue. You can even virtually abandon her or tell her to her face that you don't trust her.

And picking Shani is stupid, when you are giving her Alvin, a super mage who is also being hunted by Salamandra. A nurse who know **** about magic and can't even defend herself. CDPR's fault is making that choice possible in the first place.

Shani has no place in future Witcher stories. It's going to be Yennefer.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 juin 2012 - 02:22 .

[slimgrin]

Here we go again...

Shani was meant to compliment Triss in TW1. I don't think the writers ever expected so many players to side with her. And siding with her makes no practical sense. Triss is the main squeeze for Geralt in TW2, but that's all she is if you so choose - a f*ck buddy, no more. You can make it clear you don't want to have a relationship with her. So yes, there is some railroading here, but like KOP said, Geralt is a predefined character so it comes with the territory. If anyone will be vying for Geralt's affection in TW3, it'll be Yennefer, not Shani.

And it's no secret that I adore Triss. I like how they've changed her but still kept her integral to the story. Triss is the one who bails Geralt out of trouble time and again. She's a mentor. She kicks Salamandra thugs in the balls to save Alvin. She's one of the few characters to really open up to Geralt, and act out of affection for him. And the game fully gives you the choice to spurn all of that.

Modifié par slimgrin, 22 juin 2012 - 02:33 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

slimgrin wrote...
Shani was meant to compliment Triss in TW1. I don't think the writers ever expected so many players to side with her.

Their biggest mistake is to make the choice present in the first place.
And I am not even a fan of Triss.