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[Xilizhra]

Obviously, the former is vastly more popular than the latter, but one thing I'm not totally sure about is why. Both are unrepentant killers for fun and profit, both feel as though they've been driven into it and are justified in doing so (with Morinth also having addiction issues), and neither one has ever been loved (or, if Morinth was, she certainly doesn't think that she was). The major differences here seem to be Jack is angrier, and also won't kill you if you **** her. I know there are differences beyond this, like the OOC one that Morinth gets a lot less detail, but I'm still surprised at the popularity gulf.

I personally like Morinth a lot more. She actually has social graces, for instance.

[AntiChri5]

There is already misinformation in your OP.

Jack has been loved.

So has Morinth.

[AntiChri5]

Actually, IMO Samara still loves Morinth. She certainly grieves for Morinth.

[Xilizhra]

Information taken into account; thank you.



Admittedly, I'm getting this from what Morinth says about being raised without love. On the one hand, she might be lying, but on the other hand... I don't know. I just believe that she believes it. Perhaps she feels betrayed over the whole "saying I must be imprisoned for life or die" thing.

[jlb524]

It's probably b/c Jack doesn't hunt people just to kill them, like Morinth does.

[Xilizhra]

True; she simply is utterly uncaring about killing anyone who gets in her way in any capacity.

[tommyt_1994]

There's so many things wrong with saying they're alike, but I don't have the time to attack them all. I'll just leave this here: Jack kills people who threaten her existence, she's all about survival. Morinth painfully murders innocents after hunting them down and seducing them. Jack feels empathy, Morinth does not. At least she doesn't show it.

[Xilizhra]

Jack also kills people who scam her monetarily, as in that cult and those other two people she mentioned once. And there was the space station incident. And her time as a pirate.

[AntiChri5]

Admittedly, I'm getting this from what Morinth says about being raised without love.

I believe she believes it. I think Samara still does love her, but have no trouble believing that Samara wasn't exactly a hugs and kisses mummy, and that Morinth may never have felt love.

True; she simply is utterly uncaring about killing anyone who gets in her way in any capacity

.Which is a lot like Renegade Shepard.

[AntiChri5]

Jack also kills people who scam her monetarily, as in that cult and those other two people she mentioned once. And there was the space station incident. And her time as a pirate.

Jack has this thing about being used as a weapon. And what choice did Jack have other then a life of crime?

[Xilizhra]

The Codex states that the asari think that members of their species who are unable to join minds are unable to empathize and form social bonds.

Note the "think." The SB archives have Samara talking with her other two daughters, who seem quite normal, if embittered about being imprisoned while their mother has effectively abandoned them; there's enough of an emotional bond for them to want their mother back, anyway.

.Which is a lot like Renegade Shepard.

My opinion of Renegade Shepard isn't all that high either.

Jack has this thing about being used as a weapon. And what choice did Jack have other then a life of crime?

Ditto for Morinth, whose very existence outside prison is a crime.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:49 .

[AntiChri5]

That doesn't mean Morinth had to kill. If she had simply escaped and then not preyed on Innocents then i would support her and kill Samara. But thats not how it is.



Morinth hunts and kills innocent people. For sport.

[Xilizhra]

Morinth embracing her condition is also quite sociopathic, in and of itself.

Arguably no more so than what Jack does. Morinth does give her victims extreme pleasure, so she says, which may be how she justifies it. She's a rather mysterious character, though most of that is because Bioware obnoxiously didn't flesh her out beyond one conversation. I suppose you can take away your own interpretations.

[spacehamsterZH]

Jack is a tuff, overly sexualized chick with lots of tattoos. That's a popular stereotype. Cf. popularity of Suicide Girls and similar websites. Mystery: not very mysterious.

[Pacifien]

I do see similiarities with Jack and Morinth. They're killers. They both get warm fuzzies when they kill. They'll kill to survive. However, I honestly do think that Morinth lacks empathy, which makes her a real psychopath by every definition of the word. Jack shows cracks in the armor in regards to her feelings, depending on how her story progresses throughout the game. She can spare Aresh. She talks about confused feelings about Murtock. Most of all, I get the real sense of her concern that Cerberus could be continuing their research at the Ascension Project.

One could interpret her reactions to those instances differently, though. Jack's history is still vague to the point where you could instill whatever motivations you want into why she did the things she did. For instance, she implies the crashing of the space station is in response to something the turians did to a colony she was living with at the time. Retribution for the death of a community she liked? Don't know.

Of course, being able to feel empathy isn't exactly a free pass for a killer. But in comparing Jack to Morinth, it gives Jack an edge.

[Xilizhra]

I honestly feel that Morinth would have shown more cracks (she does admit to loneliness) had anyone bothered to develop her further, and still think it a great waste that she wasn't...

[jlb524]

The thing is, the violent life was forced onto Jack at a very young age, and in a very cruel manner. People will be empathetic to that.



Morinth chose the violent life when she had another option (seclusion). That other option might not be too grand, but it was there.

[Xilizhra]

I suppose. It wasn't true force, though Morinth likely thought that it was.



Maybe, overall, I'm just badly frustrated at the way Morinth was handled. Of course, I'm not so terribly fond of the way Jack was handled either, especially the romantic aspects.

[Pacifien]

Xilizhra wrote...
I suppose. It wasn't true force, though Morinth likely thought that it was.

This is actually why Samara mentions great pride in her daughter. The only option the asari were willing to give an Ardat-Yakshi is a life of seclusion, and apparently a miserable one at that if the video transcript from LotSB is anything to go by. Morinth couldn't accept any form of imprisonment, she wanted freedom. Unfortunately, the cost of her freedom was apparently the lives of many others throughout the centuries.

Could she have roamed the galaxy and mingled with the greater population without succumbing to her Ardat-Yakshi urges? Not enough info.

[jlb524]

Xilizhra wrote...

Maybe, overall, I'm just badly frustrated at the way Morinth was handled. Of course, I'm not so terribly fond of the way Jack was handled either, especially the romantic aspects.

One thing I'll admit, I enjoyed watching Morinth's 'romance' more than Jack's.