JohnEpler wrote...
So the murder knife was born. And thus it passed into legend that the kitchen knife from the Warden's home was the most enchanted and powerful weapon in the land, but only under certain circumstances.
Herr Uhl wrote...
JohnEpler wrote...
Far as I know, the story was that one day, someone needed to kill someone in cutscene with a knife. Because the player could have any number of weapons, it was decided that they would need a more 'generic' weapon to perform cutscene kills with lest it get out of hand (as cool as it looks to see someone fling a 7-foot long broadsword at someone end-over-end, it's not always practical, y'know?)
So the murder knife was born. And thus it passed into legend that the kitchen knife from the Warden's home was the most enchanted and powerful weapon in the land, but only under certain circumstances.
Is it still a throwing weapon?
JohnEpler wrote...
We still have a murder knife in DA2! It's mostly used in situations where, well, someone just needs a good stabbin'. Most of the 'bigger' kills, we try to handle via class-specific animations, but not everyone warrants being ripped apart by magical forces.
It is, however, a different murder knife now.
Having said that, we might go back into some of the scenes with the simple stab and see if they warrant a more.. harsh approach. That'll depend on how much time we have, of course, and as previously mentioned - sometimes, stabbing is exactly what needs to happen.
JohnEpler wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
JohnEpler wrote...
Far as I know, the story was that one day, someone needed to kill someone in cutscene with a knife. Because the player could have any number of weapons, it was decided that they would need a more 'generic' weapon to perform cutscene kills with lest it get out of hand (as cool as it looks to see someone fling a 7-foot long broadsword at someone end-over-end, it's not always practical, y'know?)
So the murder knife was born. And thus it passed into legend that the kitchen knife from the Warden's home was the most enchanted and powerful weapon in the land, but only under certain circumstances.
Is it still a throwing weapon?
It is a stabbing weapon, a throwing weapon - whatever the murder knife needs to be, it is.
It is all-powerful, all-knowing. It is everything and nothing. It simply is.
bsbcaer wrote...
JohnEpler wrote...
We still have a murder knife in DA2! It's mostly used in situations where, well, someone just needs a good stabbin'. Most of the 'bigger' kills, we try to handle via class-specific animations, but not everyone warrants being ripped apart by magical forces.
It is, however, a different murder knife now.
Having said that, we might go back into some of the scenes with the simple stab and see if they warrant a more.. harsh approach. That'll depend on how much time we have, of course, and as previously mentioned - sometimes, stabbing is exactly what needs to happen.
It would be interesting if the stabbing were to be associated closer with dialogue/tone. For example, a more gentle "stab" when the tone tends to be more gentle (eg. putting someone out of their misery, such as the Werewolf in the Brecilian Forest) and a more harsh/violent stab when the tone tends to be more aggressive
JohnEpler wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
JohnEpler wrote...
Far as I know, the story was that one day, someone needed to kill someone in cutscene with a knife. Because the player could have any number of weapons, it was decided that they would need a more 'generic' weapon to perform cutscene kills with lest it get out of hand (as cool as it looks to see someone fling a 7-foot long broadsword at someone end-over-end, it's not always practical, y'know?)
So the murder knife was born. And thus it passed into legend that the kitchen knife from the Warden's home was the most enchanted and powerful weapon in the land, but only under certain circumstances.
Is it still a throwing weapon?
It is a stabbing weapon, a throwing weapon - whatever the murder knife needs to be, it is.
It is all-powerful, all-knowing. It is everything and nothing. It simply is.
Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:14 .
bsbcaer wrote...
It would be interesting if the stabbing were to be associated closer with dialogue/tone. For example, a more gentle "stab" when the tone tends to be more gentle (eg. putting someone out of their misery, such as the Werewolf in the Brecilian Forest) and a more harsh/violent stab when the tone tends to be more aggressive
Glad to hear, thank you for it, for the attention towards details. Sure it'll make the game even more fun )JohnEpler wrote...
We generally do custom animation sets for the more 'gentle' kills. If you're putting someone out of their misery, after all, it shouldn't be the same animation as when you're just stabbing a guy.
pretty awesome post. Thats the way I see it. I would expect no less of a response about the murder knife.JohnEpler wrote...
It is a stabbing weapon, a throwing weapon - whatever the murder knife needs to be, it is.
It is all-powerful, all-knowing. It is everything and nothing. It simply is.
Definitely. I think this post should be saved for future generations of game developers so they would know what a real murder knife is!Tiax Rules All wrote...
pretty awesome post. Thats the way I see it. I would expect no less of a response about the murder knife.JohnEpler wrote...
It is a stabbing weapon, a throwing weapon - whatever the murder knife needs to be, it is.
It is all-powerful, all-knowing. It is everything and nothing. It simply is.
Modifié par Xallah, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:30 .
JohnEpler wrote...
bsbcaer wrote...
JohnEpler wrote...
We still have a murder knife in DA2! It's mostly used in situations where, well, someone just needs a good stabbin'. Most of the 'bigger' kills, we try to handle via class-specific animations, but not everyone warrants being ripped apart by magical forces.
It is, however, a different murder knife now.
Having said that, we might go back into some of the scenes with the simple stab and see if they warrant a more.. harsh approach. That'll depend on how much time we have, of course, and as previously mentioned - sometimes, stabbing is exactly what needs to happen.
It would be interesting if the stabbing were to be associated closer with dialogue/tone. For example, a more gentle "stab" when the tone tends to be more gentle (eg. putting someone out of their misery, such as the Werewolf in the Brecilian Forest) and a more harsh/violent stab when the tone tends to be more aggressive
We generally do custom animation sets for the more 'gentle' kills. If you're putting someone out of their misery, after all, it shouldn't be the same animation as when you're just stabbing a guy.
JohnEpler wrote...
It is a stabbing weapon, a throwing weapon - whatever the murder knife needs to be, it is.
It is all-powerful, all-knowing. It is everything and nothing. It simply is.
Modifié par Ulous, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:51 .
Xallah wrote...
+1Upsettingshorts wrote...
shepard_lives wrote...
I want more options to punch the sh*t out of people. In DAO it was always talk them down or murder them. Why can't I beat some sense into an idiot?
I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!
And I guess since Hawke is going to be fully voiced we might have the chance for this ) And in a stylish manner ) Commander shepard is too military, Hawke will do it in a medieval Champion of Kirkwall style!
Xallah wrote...
True. Such scene would require more epic spechless stares than Bella kiss in the tavern )Catt128 wrote...
filaminstrel wrote...
If a mage must use a murder (kitchen) knife, he should at least throw it telekinetically.
That would be way too awesome for the Universe to handle.
JohnEpler wrote...
I had a kill scene once where I forgot to apply an animation to the player, and it was one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've seen. Just the player, staring at the target, and then suddenly a knife appears two feet in front of him and flies right into the target's throat. I even had FaceFX where the player narrowed their eyes.
Xanduin123 wrote...
id pay to see that lol
Sure it would! I trust in you guys, you make cool games full of brilliant moments destined to become iconic! I'm really looking forward to all these )JohnEpler wrote...
This -would- be pretty cool, wouldn't it?
I imagine that. Must have been the most hilarious and suspicious moment ever! And, btw, it showed how epic a murder knife can be, that it still appeared even thought the player did nothing O_oJohnEpler wrote...
I had a kill scene once where I forgot to apply an animation to the player, and it was one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've seen. Just the player, staring at the target, and then suddenly a knife appears two feet in front of him and flies right into the target's throat. I even had FaceFX where the player narrowed their eyes.
Anarya wrote...
What I wanna know is, why do we stab people in the gut if we're putting them out of their misery? Gutwounds are a terrible, slow, painful way to die! What a jerk the PC is, acting all nice and then not even having the decency to go for the heart or the jugular or anything!
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