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[Leonia]

I hope to see a screenshot of Carver and Aveline during the knife-throw sequence soon. Or was it Bethany and Aveline? I'm having a hard time keeping all th combinations straight now.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 07:45 .

[Gashington]

Another update here then,



mage was playable in the demo we saw



I didn't play one tho and never got to the part where Carver dies (they wouldn't let anyone play that far sadly :<)

[Apollo Starflare]

It's what I was getting at earlier, he saw the same demo that Gamestar covered I believe? I remember not seeing Carver in that demo, but Aveline was there. I'm reaaally curious as to how you end up deciding who lives though, as some have said it wouldn't be a choice for many people if it was a simple 'brother or strange woman' decision. I get the feeling it will be more complicated than that though, it would be most amusing if it involves a blood ritual sacrificing Aveline's life to save Carver's or some other dark twist.

[101000011000]

Maybe we never see Carver and Aveline together in Kirkwall because no one wants

two warriors in their party.

[Gashington]

101000011000 wrote...

Maybe we never see Carver and Aveline together in Kirkwall because no one wants
two warriors in their party.

We got to see the party selection screen at Gamex, Carver was not present

[101000011000]

Maybe he just wasn't present in THAT playthrough.

[DarthCaine]

I think what David Gaider meant is that it can be changed HOW Carver dies, but he dies either way. Nobody has reported that Carver survived in their playthrough, though maybe it's not in the demo.



As for the Rise to Power trailer, they simply spawned Carver there so that they don't shown us any new party members. In DAO you can spawn Daveth in Denerim with a simple console command.

[Saibh]

DarthCaine wrote...

I think what David Gaider meant is that it can be changed HOW Carver dies, but he dies either way. Nobody has reported that Carver survived in their playthrough, though maybe it's not in the demo.

As for the Rise to Power trailer, they simply spawned Carver there so that they don't shown us any new party members. In DAO you can spawn Daveth in Denerim with a simple console command.

They could have put Aveline or Bethany or Varric in that spot, couldn't have they? I can't recall a situation of them outright "lying" to us in an official trailer. They expect for us to cut it up and chop it open to bits. They included Carver there quite intentionally, I should think.

Besides that, we have two distinct shots of Carver post-prologue.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 novembre 2010 - 07:53 .

[Eveangaline]

Maybe it's not a noticeable choice. Like, at some point before the big ogre shows up you have to make one small, inconsequential seeming decision, and that turns out to be the decider for who dies. So it's not a matter of the character hawke intentionally choosing one person over another, it's her making a decision without realizing that later it would lead to someone dying. It could be something like 'Does anyone need an extra health poltrice? Bethany, you look fine, don't be a wimp and let Carver have the last one'

[DarthCaine]

It just seems stupid that they'd include a full party member that seems to be extremely hard to get and only 5% of players would see alive.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 10 novembre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Saibh]

DarthCaine wrote...

It just seems stupid that they'd include a party member that seems to be extremely hard to get and only 5% of players would see

What do you mean? Why 5%? Depends on how the choice is done, don't you think?

[DarthCaine]

Saibh wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

It just seems stupid that they'd include a party member that seems to be extremely hard to get and only 5% of players would see

What do you mean? Why 5%? Depends on how the choice is done, don't you think?

I mean that most people don't go out of their way to look up stuff on forums and walkthroughs (which is why most people don't know you can make Alistair king and keep Loghain alive). Keeping Carver alive seems to be ultra hard since nobody has reported that he survives the prologue, and most people would assume it can't be done. It seems dumb to include a full party member that only a very small minority of players would see alive past the prologue

Modifié par DarthCaine, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:02 .

[Apollo Starflare]

Saibh wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

It just seems stupid that they'd include a party member that seems to be extremely hard to get and only 5% of players would see

What do you mean? Why 5%? Depends on how the choice is done, don't you think?

Indeed, there is no reason to believe that the demo we have seen represents the final version of that segment of the game. It is quite possible that Bioware built a version for public consumption that didn't feature a big dilemma like that due to over complication and not representing what they wanted the demo to be about (DA2's new direction and features). I went through that demo twice as well as watching all the footage of it online and there is no point where you get even a hint that you could change Carver's fate, the scene with the Ogre comes after a period of fighting not dialogue and he rushes in.

Incidentally I feel awful for those avoiding spoilers right now, with this being the main topic of discussion.

Anyway I am fairly certain that whatever trigger changes what happens to Carver (whether someone else dies in his place or not) is a new addition. Did I see gashington say that they were not allowed to play upto the part where Carver dies at his event? Because that is a new restriction if so. *goes to check*

[LexXxich]

I sincerely hope that we get to choose who lives or dies by our plot-actions, not meta-actions like choosing a class to play.

[ViSeiRa]

Saibh wrote...

 I can't recall a situation of them outright "lying" to us in an official trailer. 

Mhairi? 

To offer my opinion here, I still think it's a class/gender based choice her, if you're a melee/archer Bethany survives and if you're a mage Carver survives... that'd make sense in order to balance your party early in the game so you don't end up with (Varric / Aveline / yourself / Carver) which is a 3 warrior / one rogue party...

[Saibh]

DarthCaine wrote...

I mean that most people don't go out of their way to look up stuff on forums and walkthroughs (which is why most people don't know you can make Alistair king and keep Loghain alive). Keeping Carver alive seems to be ultra hard since nobody has reported that he survives the prologue, and most people would assume it can't be done. It seems dumb to include a full party member that only a very small minority of players would see alive past the prologue

Of course, that particular choice requires that you had to of previously hardened Alistair, that you need a high Persuade check, and perhaps that you had arranged their marriage earlier, I can't remember. This is on top of most people choosing Alistair over Loghain, anyway.

I doubt there'll be anything too convoluted in the beginning of the game to figure out.

As far as him never surviving the prologue, that's why I speculated it might have to do with your class--you'd never had the ability to play as a mage Hawke before. Gashington doesn't know whether or not Carver is present in mage Hawke playthroughs.

Also, it might not even be possible to keep Carver alive in the early demos because they removed the choice to begin with.

[Saibh]

ViSeirA wrote...

Mhairi? 

To offer my opinion here, I still think it's a class/gender based choice her, if you're a melee/archer Bethany survives and if you're a mage Carver survives... that'd make sense in order to balance your party early in the game so you don't end up with (Varric / Aveline / yourself / Carver) which is a 3 warrior / one rogue party...

We never see her past her Joining, do we? They misled us, but they didn't lie. Carver could possibly die within two seconds of that knife throwing scene, who knows? We do know that not everyone makes it out of Lothering alive.

Also, including Isabela, you could have a Varric/Aveline/yourself/Carver/Isabela mix, which is three warriors and two rogues. And no mage.

Speaking of which, it seems we know of at least five companions, at this point.

[Apollo Starflare]

ViSeirA wrote...

Saibh wrote...

 I can't recall a situation of them outright "lying" to us in an official trailer. 

Mhairi? 

To offer my opinion here, I still think it's a class/gender based choice her, if you're a melee/archer Bethany survives and if you're a mage Carver survives... that'd make sense in order to balance your party early in the game so you don't end up with (Varric / Aveline / yourself / Carver) which is a 3 warrior / one rogue party...

Didn't they merely mislead us with Mhairi? They never showed stuff of her past the joining as I remember? I could be wrong though, been a while since I saw that stuff.

As for your other point, you woudl never have that issue if Bethany is unkillable until late in the game - guarantees you a mage (Beth) and a rogue (Varric) and a warrior (Carver/Aveline) then. Shortly after which you recruit rogue #2 (Isabela) and we know there is an epic circle of magi in Kirkwall, I can easily imagine there being a mage #2 there (unless they have us recruit another Dalish keeper, but I doubt that). Then you could pick up Warrior #2 from any questline they wanted, be it Kirkwall or Dalish (presumably delivering the package is important story quest #1 or close to it?) leaving you with a well balanced party. All Hawke does is give you an extra class to play with whatever you pick.

Oh and gashington did indeed say that they were not able to play up to Carver's death this time around. Suggests to me that part might have been altered.

[ViSeiRa]

Saibh wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Mhairi? 

To offer my opinion here, I still think it's a class/gender based choice her, if you're a melee/archer Bethany survives and if you're a mage Carver survives... that'd make sense in order to balance your party early in the game so you don't end up with (Varric / Aveline / yourself / Carver) which is a 3 warrior / one rogue party...

We never see her past her Joining, do we? They misled us, but they didn't lie. Carver could possibly die within two seconds of that knife throwing scene, who knows? We do know that not everyone makes it out of Lothering alive.

Also, including Isabela, you could have a Varric/Aveline/yourself/Carver/Isabela mix, which is three warriors and two rogues. And no mage.

Speaking of which, it seems we know of at least five companions, at this point.

The fact that her trailer is released in the characters section along with every other party member in Awakening is enough to make us suspect everything they tell us.

[Aermas]

I knew it!!! Let Aveline die, Carver is a better pick.

[Avaflame]

I do hope it's a choice between Carver/Aveline, and not Carver/Bethany. Or at least a Carver/Bethany based on class-choice. I always play as a mage usually, though if I had the choice I would pick Bethany over Carver. So an outcome based on class would suck for me. This is what I think will happen too, so I'm probably going to have a big choice to make.

[Silent 1]

I want to keep Bethany around no matter what... Gotta watch out for your little sister.

[JConst]

So if I choose to play as a mage, I'll end up with dumb ugly brother instead of wise sexy sister? I hope not.

[Shepard Lives]

I think I'd pick Carver over Aveline, a little brother, however derpy, would probably be more interesting than the vaguely androgynous wife of a dead Templar.

[Ziggeh]

Which one can I bone?



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