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[Gashington]

Sweet, Bioware employees posting in my thread... too bad it's about us all being inconsiderate brutes.



Don't suppose anyone remembers the name and position of the two presentators at Gamex? Would like to update the main post with it.

[upsettingshorts]

Gashington wrote...

Don't suppose anyone remembers the name and position of the two presentators at Gamex? Would like to update the main post with it.

While you're editing do you mind fixing the formatting?  These forums do awful things to pasted text, bunched up paragraphs and the like.

It'd make it easier to read for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

[Gashington]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Gashington wrote...

Don't suppose anyone remembers the name and position of the two presentators at Gamex? Would like to update the main post with it.

While you're editing do you mind fixing the formatting?  These forums do awful things to pasted text, bunched up paragraphs and the like.

It'd make it easier to read for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

Sorry, hadn't even noticed how horrible the paragraphs had alligned themselves, fixed it now

[upsettingshorts]

Gashington wrote...
Sorry, hadn't even noticed how horrible the paragraphs had alligned themselves, fixed it now

Cool, thanks!

[addiction21]

Stay away from the bullet points too. Not only do they tend to screw up your own formatting but anyone else that qoutes you.

P.S.
Dont take it personally. That rant from Epler was long coming from one of the mods.

Modifié par addiction21, 11 novembre 2010 - 09:37 .

[nightcobra]

Gashington wrote...

Sweet, Bioware employees posting in my thread... too bad it's about us all being inconsiderate brutes.

at least i got mike to answer a legitimate gameplay question^_^

 

[Gashington]

P.S.

Dont take it personally. That rant from Epler was long coming from one of the mods.

Ah sorry, I did not mean to insinuate I was taking it personally (sorry Mr. Epler if you thought I did), just thought it fun that of all things my post could get Bioware-tagged for it'd be us behaving like children.

[addiction21]

Regardless that tag will most likely draw in some more viewers Win/Win

[Morroian]

Thanks for the review Gashington it seems like Bioware have dealt with most of the problems plaguing the console version of DAO which can only be a good thing. Now if only Steam would put it up for pre-order.

[bsbcaer]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...
You are not the landed gentry and intelligentsia ... locked in an eternal struggle against the forces of anti-intellectual thought.

Note to David Gaider, Casey Hudson, Mike Laidlaw, etc:  I would buy this game.

You know, our Hawke (with landed gentry background) could go up against the Chantry....things that make you go "hmmmmmmmmm"

[RifuloftheWest]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Go there first, then tactics take over if they're under AI control, do whatever you tell them to do next if you're under direct control. Identical to right-clicking on the PC.

Thank you very much for addressing this question. It does bring up something that I've been curious about.

Will the tactics system remain similar to DAO in that it can be disabled (or just not used) for those of us that prefer near absolute direct control of party members?

To the OP - thank you for the review. I personally did not have doubts that DA2 would retain its "tactical" game play elements but it is nice to see someone's perspective (who has played DAO - the PC version no less) regarding a console demo and make some of the comments you did.

Modifié par RifuloftheWest, 11 novembre 2010 - 10:30 .

[crimzontearz]

Grrrrr someone at this conventions needs to ask about NG+

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Why even mention me like I'm this piece of crap person? Let me lay it out there AngryPants, I'm not politically correct, nor do I wish to be. I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind either, and I really don't care if it hurts the feelings of some console  player or fanboy from time to time.

At this point its more just like venting since Bioware clearly couldn't care much less about the older PC fans since they figured we'll buy it anyway. I will be getting DA2 since I preordered, but like I've said before, if it leaves me with a ME2 taste in the mouth thats it for day 1 purchases from me, I'll buy bargin bin, or cheaply from other sources from now on.

You seem to think it's A-OK  for you to be abrasive and rude by using  the lame justification that you're "not politically correct." People around here, not just you, who are upset the new changes seem to be using console gamers as convenient whipping boys to lash out at because they want to vent. If you need to vent, you can do that elsewhere I imagine. It adds nothing to intelligent discourse and discussion. If you're upset with changes, then there are ways to express your displeasure without constantly taking it out on others.

I'm an "older PC fan" as well. However, you don't see me throwing tantrums over every change I don't like. I have previously stated that I wasn't happy about the loss of the DW warrior spec in other threads, but I am capable of accepting that it's part of what BW wants to do to make classes distinctive. I've expressed my disagreement with said decision in a civil manner, without resorting to blaming everything on console users. As an older, ostensibly mature fan, I also realize that acting like a petulant brat who constantly screams, rants and acts out doesn't really get you anywhere in life.

I rather doubt that anyone's boss, friends, co-workers, etc. would tolerate this kind of behavior if it were directed at them. If you want to express your displeasure, then maybe you should try stating what you don't like, why you don't like it and what you'd prefer to see instead? I don't really see how some people here can claim to be part of group that is supposedly more intelligent and mature than console users when all they do is resort to launching immature, juvenile insults at other people.

No instead I see you defending design decisions that quite a few people aren't too excited about, but considering you have an ME2 avatar, I'm guessing you enjoyed ME2 enough to not care if those features end up in DA.

I've done the civil route more than once and got the same "playing dress up" "you're and elitist PC user" etc etc song and dance then as well yet those posters seem to generally be encouraged to act like that. I've also noticed a dev preference towards those who support what they're doing. Which is fine, because well its kinda expected.

[Rattleface]

Can't we all just be friends?

[crimzontearz]

Sarah, you know I am far from a BDF (gasp I said it.....jk) and I give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar but you are becoming more and more needlessly abrhasive at which point regardless of the validity of your points you are just going to be disregarded and ganged upon....and what is that going to accomplish?

[John Epler]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...


No instead I see you defending design decisions that quite a few people aren't too excited about, but considering you have an ME2 avatar, I'm guessing you enjoyed ME2 enough to not care if those features end up in DA.

I've done the civil route more than once and got the same "playing dress up" "you're and elitist PC user" etc etc song and dance then as well yet those posters seem to generally be encouraged to act like that. I've also noticed a dev preference towards those who support what they're doing. Which is fine, because well its kinda expected.

I've said time and time again that I don't care what your stance is towards our changes as long as you're civil. If someone's talking about 'elitist PC users' and 'playing dress-up' in response to your arguments, let me know and I will deal with it. I'm primarily a PC gamer myself, after all - I like to relax with a good few hours of X3: Reunion, Hearts of Iron III, or any of a number of games that would be considered more-or-less 'hardcore' and PC exclusive.

I don't think I've been showing a preference towards people who support what we're doing. Heck, a couple of my favourite posters are vehemently against much of what we've revealed for DA2. But since they're polite and well-spoken, I find that I can relate to them quite well. If I have seemingly shown a preference, then I apologize for that. But note that I can only really act on what I'm told. I'm not omnipotent - forum posting and moderation is an adjunct to my job, not a core aspect of it, and if I spend too much time on the forums outside of work certain people tend to get angry

The only plea I've made, the only goal I'm trying to enforce is politeness and civility. I've warned and banned about as many people who are 'pro' BioWare as I have people who are 'anti' BioWare. But I don't discuss any disciplinary action on the forums. As I see it, any warnings or bans are between myself and the person who receives them.

[upsettingshorts]

JohnEpler wrote...
Hearts of Iron III, or any of a number of games that would be considered more-or-less 'hardcore' and PC exclusive.

Why'd you have to mention that game?  Now I'm going to have nightmares.  It's the reason I laugh at any other game being described as hard or having a steep learning curve. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 novembre 2010 - 11:10 .

[addiction21]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...
Hearts of Iron III, or any of a number of games that would be considered more-or-less 'hardcore' and PC exclusive.

Why'd you have to mention that game?  Now I'm going to have nightmares.  It's the reason I laugh at any other game being described as hard or having a steep learning curve. 

Its for a different game but



I think works well as a visual example of Hearts of Irons learning curve.

[John Epler]

Whoops. Didn't mean to pull this off-topic - let's steer the good ship Dragon Age 2 at Gamex back on-topic.

[Meltemph]

addiction21 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...
Hearts of Iron III, or any of a number of games that would be considered more-or-less 'hardcore' and PC exclusive.

Why'd you have to mention that game?  Now I'm going to have nightmares.  It's the reason I laugh at any other game being described as hard or having a steep learning curve. 

Its for a different game but



I think works well as a visual example of Hearts of Irons learning curve.

That is just awesome.

[crimzontearz]

JohnEpler wrote...

Whoops. Didn't mean to pull this off-topic - let's steer the good ship Dragon Age 2 at Gamex back on-topic.

Hey john...if someone approached a Bioware employee at one such convention and casually asked about NG+.....would they be at liberty to answer such question or would it have to be a NO-comment answer?

[John Epler]

crimzontearz wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Whoops. Didn't mean to pull this off-topic - let's steer the good ship Dragon Age 2 at Gamex back on-topic.

Hey john...if someone approached a Bioware employee at one such convention and casually asked about NG+.....would they be at liberty to answer such question or would it have to be a NO-comment answer?

In a general sense (applying to all questions, not just this one in particular) it really depends on who the employee was and what position they held. Some things, we're allowed to comment on at our leisure - I can mention different cinematic techniques we're employing in our work, for example, or talk about generalities of level art. But specific details are generally only spoken about by the lead designer/other higher ups, for the simple reason that we don't always know the plan for them. Particularly in my case - I'm in my own little conversation-centered world. I know there's a game there, I've played it occasionally, but I don't know it as well as I'd like

[addiction21]

JohnEpler wrote...

Whoops. Didn't mean to pull this off-topic - let's steer the good ship Dragon Age 2 at Gamex back on-topic.

Cant remember which Dev it was but they mentioned the learning curves of the old flight sims and how they steadily increased with each new release.

Maybe this is where some concerns of the "dumbing down" comments come from. For those of us that have played these games for years we take these things for granted but for those new players it could almost feel insurmountable or at the least detract enough from enjoying the game that they put it down and never pick it back up.

EVE online being a good example of that also. It has continued to grow over the years but CCP has made a effort to ease people into to better.

Maybe I am still off topic. Just going to go sit in my corner for a while.

Modifié par addiction21, 11 novembre 2010 - 11:29 .

[AtreiyaN7]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Why even mention me like I'm this piece of crap person? Let me lay it out there AngryPants, I'm not politically correct, nor do I wish to be. I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind either, and I really don't care if it hurts the feelings of some console  player or fanboy from time to time.

At this point its more just like venting since Bioware clearly couldn't care much less about the older PC fans since they figured we'll buy it anyway. I will be getting DA2 since I preordered, but like I've said before, if it leaves me with a ME2 taste in the mouth thats it for day 1 purchases from me, I'll buy bargin bin, or cheaply from other sources from now on.

You seem to think it's A-OK  for you to be abrasive and rude by using  the lame justification that you're "not politically correct." People around here, not just you, who are upset the new changes seem to be using console gamers as convenient whipping boys to lash out at because they want to vent. If you need to vent, you can do that elsewhere I imagine. It adds nothing to intelligent discourse and discussion. If you're upset with changes, then there are ways to express your displeasure without constantly taking it out on others.

I'm an "older PC fan" as well. However, you don't see me throwing tantrums over every change I don't like. I have previously stated that I wasn't happy about the loss of the DW warrior spec in other threads, but I am capable of accepting that it's part of what BW wants to do to make classes distinctive. I've expressed my disagreement with said decision in a civil manner, without resorting to blaming everything on console users. As an older, ostensibly mature fan, I also realize that acting like a petulant brat who constantly screams, rants and acts out doesn't really get you anywhere in life.

I rather doubt that anyone's boss, friends, co-workers, etc. would tolerate this kind of behavior if it were directed at them. If you want to express your displeasure, then maybe you should try stating what you don't like, why you don't like it and what you'd prefer to see instead? I don't really see how some people here can claim to be part of group that is supposedly more intelligent and mature than console users when all they do is resort to launching immature, juvenile insults at other people.

No instead I see you defending design decisions that quite a few people aren't too excited about, but considering you have an ME2 avatar, I'm guessing you enjoyed ME2 enough to not care if those features end up in DA.

I've done the civil route more than once and got the same "playing dress up" "you're and elitist PC user" etc etc song and dance then as well yet those posters seem to generally be encouraged to act like that. I've also noticed a dev preference towards those who support what they're doing. Which is fine, because well its kinda expected.

Oh, wait, my avatar is a reason to attack me? ROFL - wow, just...wow. I think this is officially one of the most bizarre statements ever. Do you want to know why I picked the Miranda avatar? Because I watch the show Chuck that Yvonne Strahovski and Adam Baldwin co-star in, along with Zachary Levi. I absolutely adore the show and think that the relationship between Chuck (Z.L.) and Sarah (Y.S.) is adorable (fortunately, I think they've avoided the Moonlighting problem). It's one of my absolute favorite tv shows, and THAT is why I use the Miranda avatar. I also happen to be a brunette IRL, which is another reason I picked her.

It actually has very little to do with whether or not I liked ME2 a whole lot (although, yes, I did like the game). I didn't/haven't "defended" BW's decisions, so much as cite facts when I think someone's either deliberately or mistakenly misinterpreting things and/or wishes to sow dissension. In any case, you know what? I suspect that if anyone calls you an elitist, it's probably because you started the ball rolling first. Even if that were not the case, even if someone else were to take a shot at you first, have you ever considered that the mature thing to do is to take the high road and ignore it? But hey, if you'd like to question my credibility further based on my avatar (of all things), yeah, you keep doing that. LOL - sorry, but the only thing I can do is laugh when I see that you're trying to use my avatar against me.


EDIT: Oh yes, if you wish to keep this up, at least do it in a PM so as not to disturb others - thanks. I'm just not responding to you further in here after this.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 12 novembre 2010 - 12:20 .

[upsettingshorts]

addiction21 wrote...
Cant remember which Dev it was but they mentioned the learning curves of the old flight sims and how they steadily increased with each new release.

Maybe this is where some concerns of the "dumbing down" comments come from. For those of us that have played these games for years we take these things for granted but for those new players it could almost feel insurmountable or at the least detract enough from enjoying the game that they put it down and never pick it back up..

Well, I think some of the "dumbing down" comments on the forum come from a fundamental confusion of "learning curve" and "depth."

Take Hearts of Iron III for example: I have no idea what is expected of me.  Even if I understand how the mechanics work, I have a hard time figuring out how to apply them because almost no decisions in the game have an explicit and well described context.  Therefore I can build additional divisions, or ships, even guide my research in some kind of logical progression - but putting it together is a struggle.

And I have no issue whatsoever with Europa Universalis III - a very complex game from the same company.  Why?  The mission system gave me a good way of getting introduced to the concepts.  Short term, achievable goals that not only broke down the mechanics but also gave me a sense of my nation's role and place within the world - and that context was extremely important.  It didn't take long before I was mastering a system that was Greek to me when I first started.  

Victoria 2, a recent game from the same company, actually got a solid tutorial!  This was greeted with much amusement and fanfare on forums, with many of the people posting (that I noticed) saying something along the lines of how they wished Paradox Interactive had done them back when they got into their games.

Hearts of Iron III feels to me like being handed pieces to a motorcycle and being told to put it together without even a final picture of what it's supposed to look like.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 novembre 2010 - 11:32 .