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[cipher86]

The games are good, I just wish the protagonist was more interesting.  Wouldn't hurt to have a male VA who had some emotion either.

[Kronner]

More interesting..how? YOU play the Shepard.



Shepard is a soldier not emotionally fragile wreck. Meer's VA is far superior to Hale's IMHO.

[Bebbe777]

I concur. Meer maybe wasnt the best in ME1 but in ME2 I really like him.

[Phaedon]

Here's the way I see it.



ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc. This continued to ME2, but it was partially fixed in LotSB. The problem with the LotSB is that the banter was suited better for Paragon Shepard. I am sure that BW will find a way around it though, maybe they'll make the banter change according to your morality.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I don't want a whiny emotional emo male Shepard.

[maxernst]

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

[Atmosfear3]

ReconTeam wrote...

I don't want a whiny emotional emo male Shepard.

[Omega-202]

maxernst wrote...

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

For the main playable character?  Absolutely.  

Its the exact same reason so many RPG heroes start off with amnesia and are usually mute.  The developer wants to leave the character as a blank slate that the player can project their own personality onto.  

BioWare decided to buck this trend and make Shepard his own character with a bit of his own personality.  But by giving him a "bit" of a personality, the player is a lot more aware of how little it is compared to other characters in the game.  

Look at contemporary games.  Name one RPG where the main playable character has even half of the development that Shepard does.  

[Jetvoid]

Also consider that when you start a new game you get to choose between three different origins and none of them is excactly happy. Not to mention that he is persuing Saren (Mass Effect) or The Collector's (Mass Effect 2) and I hardly doubt that creates emotional Commanders.

[TemplarGG]

Shepard Commander is boring?!? This's heresy. this's madness!! THIS IS SHEEEEEPARD !!

[Skilled Seeker]

Omega-202 wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

For the main playable character?  Absolutely.  

Its the exact same reason so many RPG heroes start off with amnesia and are usually mute.  The developer wants to leave the character as a blank slate that the player can project their own personality onto.  

BioWare decided to buck this trend and make Shepard his own character with a bit of his own personality.  But by giving him a "bit" of a personality, the player is a lot more aware of how little it is compared to other characters in the game.  

Look at contemporary games.  Name one RPG where the main playable character has even half of the development that Shepard does.  

And dont use a JRPG as your example as they are NOT RPGs, they just use a turn based combat system.

[kraidy1117]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

For the main playable character?  Absolutely.  

Its the exact same reason so many RPG heroes start off with amnesia and are usually mute.  The developer wants to leave the character as a blank slate that the player can project their own personality onto.  

BioWare decided to buck this trend and make Shepard his own character with a bit of his own personality.  But by giving him a "bit" of a personality, the player is a lot more aware of how little it is compared to other characters in the game.  

Look at contemporary games.  Name one RPG where the main playable character has even half of the development that Shepard does.  

And dont use a JRPG as your example as they are NOT RPGs, they just use a turn based combat system.

Not all JRPGs are like FF <_<

[Phaedon]

maxernst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

Well most old-school RPGs don't even have your character talk when you speak to someone. 

[Skilled Seeker]

Phaedon wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

Well most old-school RPGs don't even have your character talk when you speak to someone. 

Or in the case of Fable your character's communication is limited to farting in people's faces.

[kraidy1117]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

Well most old-school RPGs don't even have your character talk when you speak to someone. 

Or in the case of Fable your character's communication is limited to farting in people's faces.

Not in Fable 3!

[Skilled Seeker]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

Well most old-school RPGs don't even have your character talk when you speak to someone. 

Or in the case of Fable your character's communication is limited to farting in people's faces.

Not in Fable 3!

Yeah you can talk now right? Fable 3 seemed to have copyed DA:A quite a bit with the whole being in power and governing your people.

[maxernst]

Phaedon wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

Well most old-school RPGs don't even have your character talk when you speak to someone. 

What does that have to do with character development?  If speech is required for character development, then there's no character development in novels.  A game like Planescape: Torment allows for a great deal more character development than most games, in my opinion.

Modifié par maxernst, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:38 .

[kraidy1117]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

Well most old-school RPGs don't even have your character talk when you speak to someone. 

Or in the case of Fable your character's communication is limited to farting in people's faces.

Not in Fable 3!

Yeah you can talk now right? Fable 3 seemed to have copyed DA:A quite a bit with the whole being in power and governing your people.

Um what? Fable 3 did it a lot better then DA:A. The point is your character talks now, it's not just expresion focus.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:40 .

[Skilled Seeker]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

Well most old-school RPGs don't even have your character talk when you speak to someone. 

Or in the case of Fable your character's communication is limited to farting in people's faces.

Not in Fable 3!

Yeah you can talk now right? Fable 3 seemed to have copyed DA:A quite a bit with the whole being in power and governing your people.

Um what? Fable 3 did it a lot better then DA:A. The point is your character talks now, it's not just expresion focus.

I don't have the game so I can't comment on the quality but DA:A did it first.

[Raanz]

really? Shepard is how you play him. You play him/her boring?

Meer or Hale, doesn't amount to a hill of beans, or was this thread made to start ANOTHER discussion on how much some people totally dislike Meer and love Hale?



Just curious.

For the record, I like both of them, but prefer my Shep to me male, voiced by Meer. Thanks.

[kraidy1117]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...


ME1 was a game that tried to make a step forward while keeping it's RPG identity. Unfortunately, some bad RPG elements made it to ME1, like a protagonist with no character development etc.

Lack of character development is an RPG element? 

Well most old-school RPGs don't even have your character talk when you speak to someone. 

Or in the case of Fable your character's communication is limited to farting in people's faces.

Not in Fable 3!

Yeah you can talk now right? Fable 3 seemed to have copyed DA:A quite a bit with the whole being in power and governing your people.

Um what? Fable 3 did it a lot better then DA:A. The point is your character talks now, it's not just expresion focus.

I don't have the game so I can't comment on the quality but DA:A did it first.

DOing it first and doing it right are two diffrent things.

[DarthCaine]

Shepard's personality was greatly improved in ME2.

In ME1 he was an emotionless character that barely spoke. He had little to no personality in ME1.

In ME2 by speaking more often, he gained much more personality. He even showed emotion is some scenes unlike ME1. The epic speeches, the badass lines and much more are why Shepard's character is much improved in ME2.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:54 .