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[LeonBrass]

Just finished another play of ME1 and heard something at the end battle between Shep and Saren...
When Saren is resurrected into the flaming techno boss there is a very brief comment at the end of the cut scene..

Saren: "I am Sovereign, this station is mine!" 

then you fight and when Saren is killed the second time we jump to a cut scene of the space battle and suddenly this super ship called Soveriegn seems to just fall loose from the Citadel pylon ...  

What do you think?  Did Saren become Soveriegn at that point, leaving the ship essentially mindless and "dead" or at least uncontrolled? 
Is this a possible way to defeat the Reapers? (con them into jumping into another form that can be killed more easily)
No clue how you would con an entire reaper fleet tho...
Just thinking, maybe too much
and probably totally wrong, but just puttin it out there.

[Weskerr]

Maybe this is why Harbinger controls individual Collectors through the Collector General. If he controlled a Collector soldier directly, and that soldier was killed, he might be damaged in the same way that Sovereign was when it directly controlled Saren.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

I've always been under the impression that after Saren dies, Sovereign transfers his "essence" into Saren's corpse. When Shepard kills the Sovereign possessed Saren, Sovereign is essentially killed, and his big squid ship shell just becomes a hunk of metal. I may be completely off, but that is how it always seemed to me.

[Jarek_Cousland]

Saren was killed from either the first fight (not the virmire one) or shooting himself. However due to the combo of Sov's indoctrination and Sarens Cybernetics caused him to "possess" Sarens corpse. So basically Sov concentrates its full abilities into Sarens corpse while the Geth and Krogan inside Sov handled the ships.





But when we destroy Terminator Saren it exhausts Sov's abilites. Weakening it enough for it to fall off the thing it was connected to and get pwnt by Joker.





On a side note I'm sure you've all noticed this but when running up the citadel to get to Saren you can see Sov and its F***ING HUGE!!!!





O_O

[Xilizhra]

This whole development is very interesting; Sovereign makes itself vastly more vulnerable in an attempt to kill Shepard to defeat the security code. The only way this option makes sense is if it was unable to destroy the Fifth Fleet singlehandedly; if it could, it could nonchalantly swat the enemy ships out of the sky and just call in waves of geth against Shepard. This extremely risky move implies that Sovereign was in fact losing, or at least knew it couldn't last forever, and hoped to end the battle right then and there.

[AdmiralCheez]

Interesting theory, but I really think it was just a simultaneous defeat for cinematic purposes. It'd be awesome if I was wrong, though: NOW WE KNOW THEIR WEAKNESS! WHOO!

[Ileanos07]

I always tought that Sovereign was too focused on controling Saren. When you kill him Sovereign is "confused" and "weakened" for a moment - which is the time to strike for fleet... I always understand it this way and well... This topic does not change it

[HalfTangible]

Xilizhra wrote...

This whole development is very interesting; Sovereign makes itself vastly more vulnerable in an attempt to kill Shepard to defeat the security code. The only way this option makes sense is if it was unable to destroy the Fifth Fleet singlehandedly; if it could, it could nonchalantly swat the enemy ships out of the sky and just call in waves of geth against Shepard. This extremely risky move implies that Sovereign was in fact losing, or at least knew it couldn't last forever, and hoped to end the battle right then and there.

Vigil actually points this out if you ask him on Ilos: Sov is the strongest ship in the known galaxy (the other reapers don't count, they're not IN the known galaxy ) but it's still just one ship. The signal Sov tried to send to the keepers to activate the citadel relay didn't work because of the prothean's previous meddling, so he had to go and do it directly, without any backup. This was a huge risk for it, but the payoff was worth it in Sov's mind.

It can be inferred that this is the reason Sov worked with the geth in the first place: while the geth are synthetic life, they would be largely superfluous to the Reaper's plan if Sov's signal had been able to work. But it didn't, and Sov had no other reapers to help him, so it had to go for the next best thing: synthetics, like itself, and organic slaves, like Saren.

[Weskerr]

Xilizhra wrote...

This whole development is very interesting; Sovereign makes itself vastly more vulnerable in an attempt to kill Shepard to defeat the security code. The only way this option makes sense is if it was unable to destroy the Fifth Fleet singlehandedly; if it could, it could nonchalantly swat the enemy ships out of the sky and just call in waves of geth against Shepard. This extremely risky move implies that Sovereign was in fact losing, or at least knew it couldn't last forever, and hoped to end the battle right then and there.

This makes sense. Sovereign made a gambit and it didn't pay off. Saren had failed to open the Citadel Mass Relay for the other Reapers (this was the ultimate goal of Sovereign) and Shepard had opened the arms of the Citadel to let Admiral Hacket's entire Fith Fleet in and attack Sovereign (remember that the arms of the Citadel closed behind it so as to prevent it from being attacked while trying to control the Citadel). Sovereign had no other choice but to take direct control of Saren if he wanted to activate the Citadel Mass Relay.  So, while fending off the Fith Fleet from the outside, Sovereign had to simultaneously activate the Citadel Relay from the inside.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

This whole development is very interesting; Sovereign makes itself vastly more vulnerable in an attempt to kill Shepard to defeat the security code. The only way this option makes sense is if it was unable to destroy the Fifth Fleet singlehandedly; if it could, it could nonchalantly swat the enemy ships out of the sky and just call in waves of geth against Shepard. This extremely risky move implies that Sovereign was in fact losing, or at least knew it couldn't last forever, and hoped to end the battle right then and there.

That, or a slightly more moderate outlook: it might win, it might not, but it judged it better/more likely to kill Shepard and crew than to fighting through the fleet.

'Extremely risky' depends on your evaluation of Shepard. It's easy to assume that it was a dumb estimation of Shepard, but then we're the player. We know anyone who fights Shepard will lose.

[Slayer299]

Xilizhra wrote...

This whole development is very interesting; Sovereign makes itself vastly more vulnerable in an attempt to kill Shepard to defeat the security code. The only way this option makes sense is if it was unable to destroy the Fifth Fleet singlehandedly; if it could, it could nonchalantly swat the enemy ships out of the sky and just call in waves of geth against Shepard. This extremely risky move implies that Sovereign was in fact losing, or at least knew it couldn't last forever, and hoped to end the battle right then and there.

You know, I never thought of it that way, but it would make Sovreign's actions with Saren have more sense in why it did that.

[Landon Frost]

**Story Spoilers Below**





Time was an issue for Sovereign because it KNEW it couldn't beat the citadel fleet and the 5th fleet. That was the reason for recruiting Saren and the Geth. Even with the Geth helping, the Sov/Geth fleet was losing (as evidenced by bringing in the 5th fleet to save the council).