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[Ziggeh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Why can't they have unique ARMORED looks?

They can.

Has anyone actually said that BioWare *couldn't* give them a unique look that is all heavy plate?

This.

I think we need to wait and see what the companions gear looks like before we decide what the companions gear looks like.

We already know one of them changes from her starting area gear, I don't think it's making wild assumptions to say others might.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 13 novembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[In Exile]

Lurklen wrote...
 If it wasn't for the fact that mages are almost universally reviled you'd be right. But in Thedas most people think mages are about as close to darkspawn as you can get without a blight. The religion has demonized magic to the point where it took centuries for them to be allowed to do anything more than keep the fires lit in the Chantry, after which they were allowed to learn more as long as they were cut off from society. Now whether this was warrented or not is irrelevent because it happened. So it seems unliky that the societies of Thedas would rely too heavely on mages for their technological improvment. Despite the fact that they like you have said would be able to make the average Thedosian's life much easier.

Even if that's the case, a science requires an empirical mindset to a degree. If you have a metaphysical reality of the sort in DA:O, where are you fostering your intellectual class? You need a group of philosophers and natural scientists looking manipulate the world.

[Urazz]

Aermas wrote...

The thought that armor makes you slow is like cake - it's a lie. Properly made leather or plate armor is not encumbering in the slightest.

Plate can slow you down, just not as much as some video games, stories, movies, etc make it out to be.  Really it's more like plate armor will hamper your maneuverability and flexability.  Leather doesn't like you said and that's why it's the armor that rogues generally tend to always wear.

[Ziggeh]

In Exile wrote...

Even if that's the case, a science requires an empirical mindset to a degree. If you have a metaphysical reality of the sort in DA:O, where are you fostering your intellectual class? You need a group of philosophers and natural scientists looking manipulate the world.

In a world where practicing magic is dangerous, I imagine they'd develop the scientific method simply as a means of survival. "If I do this, do I die horribly?"

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 13 novembre 2010 - 02:55 .

[Aermas]

In Exile wrote...

Lurklen wrote...
 If it wasn't for the fact that mages are almost universally reviled you'd be right. But in Thedas most people think mages are about as close to darkspawn as you can get without a blight. The religion has demonized magic to the point where it took centuries for them to be allowed to do anything more than keep the fires lit in the Chantry, after which they were allowed to learn more as long as they were cut off from society. Now whether this was warrented or not is irrelevent because it happened. So it seems unliky that the societies of Thedas would rely too heavely on mages for their technological improvment. Despite the fact that they like you have said would be able to make the average Thedosian's life much easier.

Even if that's the case, a science requires an empirical mindset to a degree. If you have a metaphysical reality of the sort in DA:O, where are you fostering your intellectual class? You need a group of philosophers and natural scientists looking manipulate the world.

The ancient Greeks were theorizing the atom & sciences before the development of the scientific method & the Age of Reason, & they believed in magic & satyrs & Circe

[Aermas]

Urazz wrote...

Aermas wrote...

The thought that armor makes you slow is like cake - it's a lie. Properly made leather or plate armor is not encumbering in the slightest.

Plate can slow you down, just not as much as some video games, stories, movies, etc make it out to be.  Really it's more like plate armor will hamper your maneuverability and flexability.  Leather doesn't like you said and that's why it's the armor that rogues generally tend to always wear.

If you are having trouble with flexibility then you're having a craftsmanship issue or an equipping issue. The armor will imped wrist movement though but our wrists are the hardest place to armor without resorting to huge gauntlets.

[Schuback]

It may be abit humid. Even the qunaris can't take it.

[Aermas]

Schuback wrote...

It may be abit humid. Even the qunaris can't take it.

Now that is a reasonable point, plate is hot.

[Lurklen]

In Exile wrote...
Even if that's the case, a science requires an empirical mindset to a degree. If you have a metaphysical reality of the sort in DA:O, where are you fostering your intellectual class? You need a group of philosophers and natural scientists looking manipulate the world.

 Ziggehundeslash and Aermas both make good points on this, in addition to their points. The intellectual class is probably made up in part of members of the priesthood, like the character brother Genetivi, much as it would have been in our own history at the time. Beyond that in countries other than Ferelden I believe there are universities, I think in Orlais where they are beginning to experience a sort of renaissance, other nations doubtless have institutions of a similar purpose. We have only seen one country remember and it's one thats considered on the tail end of advancment. 

 Remember also magic isn't really a major part of the average persons life in Thedas, it's something they might see a few times in their life, and it wouldn't be a welcome sight to most. As far as they're concerned it exists but they'd rather pretend it doesn't. Now of course the world won't be exactly like ours, because in Thedas magic is a proven fact. However I don't think it would impede technological advancement as much as you believe, it's simply not accepted widly enough as a solution to peoples problems. That's just my take on it though, a writer could give a more definitive answer.

Modifié par Lurklen, 13 novembre 2010 - 12:30 .

[Stazro]

After putting some thought into this, I think that especially Thedas is a world where the existence of magic shouldn't hinder technological advancement. Sounds weird, but I think in Thedas the church (or "chantry") actually has an interest in it. They are aware of the advantages of magic, but are very cautious about it's dangers and the fact that it's power lies in the hands of few, going as far as an established religious prejudice against all users. It would be in their best interest to make magic obsolete or at least less necessary.

Modifié par Stazro, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[filetemo]

if archery and dual wielding have been taken from warriors to make classes feel more distinct, warriors should come with heavy armour to enhance that feel.



I can get over Aveline with no armor, since probably she was caught off guard by darkspawn attack. But if we get a two hander companion, he/she should wear plate, as swinging a slow and heavy weapon in pants is like going to war nude with a nuke on your backpack, you'll get killed before you can use your offence power

[Wulfram]

filetemo wrote...

if archery and dual wielding have been taken from warriors to make classes feel more distinct, warriors should come with heavy armour to enhance that feel.

I can get over Aveline with no armor, since probably she was caught off guard by darkspawn attack. But if we get a two hander companion, he/she should wear plate, as swinging a slow and heavy weapon in pants is like going to war nude with a nuke on your backpack, you'll get killed before you can use your offence power

Carver uses a two handed weapon.  But two handers aren't slow any more

[Aermas]

Carver uses a two handed weapon.  But two handers aren't slow any more

Well swinging a two hander, as long as you know how, isn't too slow. Though I have looked at the gameplay & they don't swing it right for it to go that fast. The best way is to hold it in the low Snake stance so that you can parry with blade & haft equally while using a scissoring motion to attack.

[Ryzaki]

I want my DW warriors back.