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[PsychoBlonde]

Wulfram wrote...

I like my CEF being short. Makes her look more heroic when she's kicking oversized human butt.

You should play a halfling monk in Dungeons and Dragons online.  It looks so funny when you're charging around at high speed punching everybody right in the junk.

[upsettingshorts]

thegreateski wrote...

We're not that biologically different from monkeys but you don't see Monkey/Humans running around do you?

You can't sleep with a monkey and produce fertile offspring, well, as far as I know.  Elves and humans can make a baby that is capable of making another baby.  That's the difference.

[Daewan]

As a native born and bred elf, I just have to say: You humans are all racist. /joke

You know, only playing humans, you miss out on a lot of extra parts of the story. The differences are slight in DA:O, but they are there. You should try it sometime.

[thegreateski]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

We're not that biologically different from monkeys but you don't see Monkey/Humans running around do you?

You can't sleep with a monkey and produce fertile offspring, well, as far as I know.  Elves and humans can make a baby that is capable of making another baby.  That's the difference.

I know. I was agreeing with you.

[MAD WHITE HAM]

Daewan wrote...

As a native born and bred elf, I just have to say: You humans are all racist. /joke
You know, only playing humans, you miss out on a lot of extra parts of the story. The differences are slight in DA:O, but they are there. You should try it sometime.

i made my evil character a dwarf... cause all dwarfs are evil

[Avatiach]

Saibh wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I'll generally enjoy playing as an Elf, but they are too short in the DA universe for me to be able to take them serious. Side-by-side cinematics when speaking to a human are just absurd; your head is almost at a ninety degree angle. It seems Elves were made short just to marginally differentiate them from the typical Elf image, but that seems to me to be a rather cheap reason to humiliate an entire race.

Honestly, it was a change I really liked. I can't even describe how much I hate elves in normal fantasy settings. The beautiful, immortal, harmonious, peaceful, stronger, wiser, swifter, most intelligent race of do-gooding light bringers. Of course they're not all like that, and I'm hyperbolizing, but I just dislike any race built around "we so perfect". If you introduce a race by listing their qualities as "better than everyone else", there's something wrong.

True, but that doesn't mean they should be shorter.

[Ser Fish]

Saibh wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I'll generally enjoy playing as an Elf, but they are too short in the DA universe for me to be able to take them serious. Side-by-side cinematics when speaking to a human are just absurd; your head is almost at a ninety degree angle. It seems Elves were made short just to marginally differentiate them from the typical Elf image, but that seems to me to be a rather cheap reason to humiliate an entire race.

Then think about how the dwarves feel!

Honestly, it was a change I really liked. I can't even describe how much I hate elves in normal fantasy settings. The beautiful, immortal, harmonious, peaceful, stronger, wiser, swifter, most intelligent race of do-gooding light bringers. Of course they're not all like that, and I'm hyperbolizing, but I just dislike any race built around "we so perfect". If you introduce a race by listing their qualities as "better than everyone else", there's something wrong.

And the asari are like the elves of space, by the way.

This. I hate elves in regular fantasy settings. So I kind of hate elves just on principal now. Of course, I like individual elves allright (I quite like Zevran, for example) but I could never play as an elf. They irritate the socks off me.

Dwarves, on the other hand, are pocket rockets of awesome. And I don't think I have to explain that humans are naturally epic. I'd even like the chance to play a qunari. But being forced to be an elf?

[abat223]

I'd like there to be more choices in DA3.



I would like humans, elves and dwarves(please make them look stronger and more bad***). I would also like to play a qunari, or a demon trapped inside someone

[Helena Tylena]

Avatiach wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I'll generally enjoy playing as an Elf, but they are too short in the DA universe for me to be able to take them serious. Side-by-side cinematics when speaking to a human are just absurd; your head is almost at a ninety degree angle. It seems Elves were made short just to marginally differentiate them from the typical Elf image, but that seems to me to be a rather cheap reason to humiliate an entire race.

Honestly, it was a change I really liked. I can't even describe how much I hate elves in normal fantasy settings. The beautiful, immortal, harmonious, peaceful, stronger, wiser, swifter, most intelligent race of do-gooding light bringers. Of course they're not all like that, and I'm hyperbolizing, but I just dislike any race built around "we so perfect". If you introduce a race by listing their qualities as "better than everyone else", there's something wrong.

True, but that doesn't mean they should be shorter.

Actually, for a woodland-based race, it makes sense of them being shorter. Tall humanoids living in trees causes all sorts of problems.

[upsettingshorts]

Daewan wrote...

As a native born and bred elf, I just have to say: You humans are all racist. /joke
You know, only playing humans, you miss out on a lot of extra parts of the story. The differences are slight in DA:O, but they are there. You should try it sometime.

I played all the Origins, I just never took any non-humans beyond the bridge at Ostagar.  I then read about all the (minor) differences I was missing out on through the Wiki,  which didn't take that long.

thegreateski wrote...

I know. I was agreeing with you.

Ah, that's cool then.  It's nice to have the textbook definition of a specific term on one's side every now and then isn't it?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 novembre 2010 - 09:35 .

[Shepard Lives]

I like the fact that DAO elves are short. First, short chicks are hot. Bonus points for being elf chicks. Second, playing an elf Warden kind of gives that "Never see me coming" vibe that makes everything so much more badass.

Modifié par shepard_lives, 11 novembre 2010 - 09:37 .

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You can't sleep with a monkey and produce fertile offspring, well, as far as I know.  Elves and humans can make a baby that is capable of making another baby.  That's the difference.

It would be an ape. And actually, no one knows. It might be something like a lion and tiger or donkey and horse. It's not like inter-primate sexual relations are numerous and well-documented.

[Saibh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Daewan wrote...

As a native born and bred elf, I just have to say: You humans are all racist. /joke
You know, only playing humans, you miss out on a lot of extra parts of the story. The differences are slight in DA:O, but they are there. You should try it sometime.

I played all the Origins, I just never took any non-humans beyond the bridge at Ostagar.  I then read about all the (minor) differences I was missing out on through the Wiki,  which didn't take that long.

There are very minor differences between the Origins. Some of them are surprising--when Shianni brings up your marriage in front of a LI, they'll get surprised and question you about it. And then you can have a kid as a Dwarf Noble...there are some, but not really enough to warrant playing through all of them separately when you don't enjoy playing as a dwarf or elf anyway.

Modifié par Saibh, 11 novembre 2010 - 09:45 .

[Xallah]

DA:O was actually the first game where i preferred to play as a human to all other races. Usually I pick something non human, especially in Star Wars games. But i really liked that we had a choice of so many origin stories to live through. Diversity and choice are cool

[Maria Caliban]

Helena Tylena wrote...

They'd only be races if, biologically speaking, elves and dwarves are humans in everything but appearance.

Race refers to the human populations, but that's not the only usage, which is why we refer to the human race.

[Fishy]

The Elf in Origin me not like .. Way to skinny . The elf in the witcher 2 trailer .. That elf look bad ass.


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MEGA piky!



I had to dig for this 1 !!!

Modifié par Suprez30, 11 novembre 2010 - 09:51 .

[Maverick827]

Saibh wrote...

Honestly, it was a change I really liked. I can't even describe how much I hate elves in normal fantasy settings. The beautiful, immortal, harmonious, peaceful, stronger, wiser, swifter, most intelligent race of do-gooding light bringers. Of course they're not all like that, and I'm hyperbolizing, but I just dislike any race built around "we so perfect". If you introduce a race by listing their qualities as "better than everyone else", there's something wrong.

I completely agree, and I love how the DA elves are the degenerates of the world.  I can't even describe how much I love that about DA Elves. =P

The height thing just seems so...arbitrary.  In the Eragon series (it was in my high school library and I was bored, shut up!) dwarves have six toes.  Why?  What does that possibly add?  It's just the same thing for me here.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

So being short is humiliating? 

When the camera takes every opportunity to show you from the side looking directly upward towards an adversary, threatening him awkwardly without any motion at all, yes.

Helena Tylena wrote...

Actually, for a woodland-based race, it makes sense of them being shorter. Tall humanoids living in trees causes all sorts of problems.

I don't think anyone wants giant elves; human sized elves, however, would suffer or benefit no more than they would currently.

[Maria Caliban]

Suprez30 wrote...

The Elf in Origin me not like .. Way to skinny . The elf in the witcher 2 trailer .. That elf look bad ass.


Edit

MEGA piky!



I had to dig for this 1 !!!

Good thing he's cut his hair short or we wouldn't even know it's an elf.

[Avatiach]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Avatiach wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I'll generally enjoy playing as an Elf, but they are too short in the DA universe for me to be able to take them serious. Side-by-side cinematics when speaking to a human are just absurd; your head is almost at a ninety degree angle. It seems Elves were made short just to marginally differentiate them from the typical Elf image, but that seems to me to be a rather cheap reason to humiliate an entire race.

Honestly, it was a change I really liked. I can't even describe how much I hate elves in normal fantasy settings. The beautiful, immortal, harmonious, peaceful, stronger, wiser, swifter, most intelligent race of do-gooding light bringers. Of course they're not all like that, and I'm hyperbolizing, but I just dislike any race built around "we so perfect". If you introduce a race by listing their qualities as "better than everyone else", there's something wrong.

True, but that doesn't mean they should be shorter.

Actually, for a woodland-based race, it makes sense of them being shorter. Tall humanoids living in trees causes all sorts of problems.

I fail to see how living in a forest could cause someone to be shorter.

[thegreateski]

Am I the only one who considers the fact that the only thing differentiating Elves from Humans in most fantasy settings is that they have pointy ears?



It's silly.

[AtreiyaN7]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You can't sleep with a monkey and produce fertile offspring, well, as far as I know.  Elves and humans can make a baby that is capable of making another baby.  That's the difference.

It would be an ape. And actually, no one knows. It might be something like a lion and tiger or donkey and horse. It's not like inter-primate sexual relations are numerous and well-documented.

As someone who, for some reason, ends up watching tons and DSC, the Science Channel and/or NGTV and/or the Smithsonian Channel, I've seen numerous documentaries. Now most of them would be your sensible, non-sensationalistic, nerdish science documentaries, but there was one about Oliver the Humanzee (it was on the Discovery Channel). Oliver was a chimpanzee who had extremely odd facial characteristics, leading some people to draw the wild conclusion that he was half-human and half-chimp. Link to wiki about Oliver (cut & paste, sorry); http://en.wikipedia....er_(chimpanzee)

I included that for the  nominally fun read (I believe you can google to find links to videos about Oliver). Anyhow, I think this quote explains why it's highly unlikely for you to see any ape-human hybrids:

Now, why are ligers viable in the first place?  They are all members of the Panthera genus, so it is possible that the chromosomes are enough conserved evolutionarily so that they can breed.  Like domestic dogs, the big cats may represent more of different breeds than different species.  The big cats split very recently in evolution, so they have not evolved apart as much as, say chimps and humans.  So they probably share quite a bit of evolutionary conservation among their chromosomes so they can get lucky and produce a viable offspring.  I am not aware of any chromosomal studies of the big cats besides number (lions and tigers both have 38, or 19 pairs).  The lion and tiger may then be subspecies of each other because they can mate and sometimes produce viable offspring.

Chimps are our closest relatives, and if we can't crossbreed with them (thank goodness), then it's just not possible for that to happen with gorillas or any other apes because they're all even more distant relatives than chimps are. Chimps have over 98% genetic similarity to humans. My work inbox was pretty much empty, so yay, I can waste time here discussing monkey(or ape)-human hybrids and the unlikeliness of such a thing occurring!

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 11 novembre 2010 - 10:00 .

[Xallah]

thegreateski wrote...

Am I the only one who considers the fact that the only thing differentiating Elves from Humans in most fantasy settings is that they have pointy ears?

It's silly.

It's the most distinctive feature yes. Sometimes they're also shorter and thinner. And some other additional things. But it's not only the looks that matter )

[SultryVulcan]

I see nothing wrong with playing as a skinny ****ed she-elf grey warden (see my avatar).

[Shepard Lives]

Avatiach wrote...

I fail to see how living in a forest could cause someone to be shorter.

No no, it's science. Shorter=more agile, less branches in your face, and better suited to looking downwards (which you should do often when in a forest). It happens in real life.

[Maria Caliban]

Tigers and lions might be subspecies, but donkeys and horses are not. Like donkeys and horses, humans and chimps 'split' ~ 5 million years ago.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Chimps are our closest relatives, and if we can't crossbreed with them...

That was actually my point. We have no idea if humans can crossbreed with chimps. It's unlikely, but it's not like this is something we've tried, and human/chimp sexual relations are neither numerous or well-documented.