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[DeuceKeylac]

I just recently did the City Elf origin for the first time, and chose to rescue Shianni. I also tried leaving her there and taking the money, but decided it was just too wrong. I got to wondering about it after though. If you do that, and then come back to the Alienage later, does she resent what you did, or react in anyway? I tried checking out some walkthroughs, but all they say is (to paraphrase) "taking the money is bad, so always save her."

Anyone know?

[Zjarcal]

Of course she resents you. She'll be pissed at you and she won't hide it. She will still help you in the Alienage quest and should you free the elves at the end, she'll thank you and forgive you (well, sort of).



Also, Cyrion (the City Elf's father) will tell you that you're not welcome in his house.

[Esbatty]

Holy crap, I cannot ever take the money... I mean c'mon even my selfish-ass of a CE Warrior cannot take the cash. He murdered his way in there just to walk off with some cash... Vaughn walked into HIS home...messing with the wedding he didn't want to happen until he saw hot ass bride to be... only for Vaughn to slug him and take his smokin' fiancee. So yes, murder is the only option. No pansy-ass drunk is gonna deck me and take OPP, no ser!



But yes, 40 soveriegns is not worth going to the Void for. Banging Morrigan, yes. Pimping your Cousin, no.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

The fact he tried to buy me off made me even more inclined to kill him. Like Zjarcal and Esbatty said, they don't forget what you did and they are pissed about it to.

[mousestalker]

DeuceKeylac wrote...

I just recently did the City Elf origin for the first time, and chose to rescue Shianni. I also tried leaving her there and taking the money, but decided it was just too wrong. I got to wondering about it after though. If you do that, and then come back to the Alienage later, does she resent what you did, or react in anyway? I tried checking out some walkthroughs, but all they say is (to paraphrase) "taking the money is bad, so always save her."

Anyone know?

You monster!

As for consequences, the whole Alienage basically hates you, as well they should. Your father disowns you. Shianni may forgive a little, if you try to redeem yourself.

Not to mention, Shianni is one of the best npc's in the game. How could you even think of doing that to her?

[EccentricSage]

It's a game... sometimes it's worth while roleing a character who's a total, or near total bastard, so you can see the WHOLE game.



For example, if you never side with the Templars, talk the Werewolves into revenge, or consider the slaver's deal, you never get to experience a certain cheerful killer pleading passionately on the behalf of those you would be harming.



In this case, I personally feel you get to see a cowardly side of Soris, if you follow the right dialogue tree. He's a bit of a tool. As to what else one learns, I don't know... That CE of mine is still hanging out at Ostigar. I'm thinking of trying to redeem him. It's going to be the dirty secret eating away at him the whole game through. Maybe he'll US. Don't know yet.

[Bruddajakka]

I don't even let Vaughen make the offer.

[Avilia]

There's a deal? ;-) My girls have Vaughan's face lined up for a dagger as soon as they walk into that room.



Roleplaying is one thing but truthfully the CEF origin pushes my buttons. He dies and if I manage a decap while doing it - I'm not ashamed to admit I cheer.

[Tigress M]

I tried taking the money once, just because I wanted to see what would happen since I couldn't believe BW would have the origins be so unbalanced in regards to opening gear and gold. I was right... you lose the gold to the guards. Then I reloaded and killed the bastard.

I've done that with several choices in the game, and although most of them I reload, I really have enjoyed seeing the different scenarios unfold.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The few times I've attempted to play a CE, Vaugh is always dog meat. I really can't do it any other way. His threats are meaningless: the alienage gets purged and attacked all the time, regardless of what you do, letting him rape Shianni and the other women won't save your people. It just lets the nobility know the elves don't care what you do to them. bad precedent.



Since the humans are always going to find a reason to go in and smash elf skulls, saving the women seems like the best option. Let the humans come, they do anyway regardless. Better to set a precedent that abusing and victimizing your people carries unpleasant consequences.

[ejoslin]

Well, the DN is THE most unbalanced when it comes to money and gear. Not only can you start off with 25 gold, but you have a merchant who will buy everything at double the price of other merchants. DN is very rich.



Anyway, Vaughn does make a convincing argument -- that if you kill him, the alienage will burn. And in fact, that is exactly what happens (though if you let him live, Howe pretends he dies or whatever). If he'd let the women go, I'd take the bribe to try to protect everyone. What makes him die is that he won't let them go.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Not a terribly convincing arguement, I'm afraid. The alienage will burn regardless, one does not need metagame knowledge for this. The fact that a bunch of elves broke in (in FCE case, out) to a noble's estate, butchered his guards, and threatened him, ruining his "party" is pretty much enough reason to know that the alienage will pay, regardless. Vaughn has shown himself at that point as a man who considers elves as animals to be exploited, I think it would take an incredible leap of faith and a touch of naievite to take him at his word and believe the alienage will be spared his wrath.



Not to mention in taking the gold, as soon as you leave, it's likely Vaughn will reneg on his deal. Again, no metagame knowledge, it's just very apparant given what we have seen of the scumbag that there is no dealing with him on equal footing.

[ejoslin]

Well, the alienage DOES burn, but that's either because Vaughn is dead, or thought to be dead (Howe throws him in prison during the rioting and says the elves killed him). And while it may be naive, it's a horrible situation. Pick one choice, you will go to prison and the alienage will burn, choose the other, and there's a small chance that no one else will be hurt.



But you do trust Vaughn not to renege on everything. Soris apparently believes him as well. After all, if you think he's going to renege, you don't take the bribe because he'll just take the money back.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Which is exactly what I did, and killed him. Soris is probably a little naieve.



Like I said, when I played through, given everything I learned as a CE told me just to kill the slimebag, because no matter what I do, the elves will suffer. If Vaughn can brazenly walk into the middle of an alienage in broad daylight, during a wedding, abduct the women and beat the crap out of people without fear of legal reprisals, it is unlikely that, after breaking into or out of his house, killing his guards, and daring to confront him, he is going to simply let you walk away with all that money.



Elves aren't, according to him, people, after all.

[DWSmiley]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, the alienage DOES burn, but that's either because Vaughn is dead, or thought to be dead (Howe throws him in prison during the rioting and says the elves killed him). And while it may be naive, it's a horrible situation. Pick one choice, you will go to prison and the alienage will burn, choose the other, and there's a small chance that no one else will be hurt.

But you do trust Vaughn not to renege on everything. Soris apparently believes him as well. After all, if you think he's going to renege, you don't take the bribe because he'll just take the money back.

I can't see having faith in any promise that a racist rapist and murderer makes at sword point.  That would be naiveté on an epic scale.  If one was truly concerned about minimizing wide scale repurcussions then the only option is to not attempt the rescue at all, which is not an option in the game.  Slaughtering one's way through an arl's estate takes one well beyond the point of no return.

[Wulfram]

Even if Vaughan kept to his word and didn't burn the alienage, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't do the same thing again to other elven women.

[BHRamsay]

Sorry, Little Lord Rapes-a-lot gets the blade in every CF playthrough I let his @ss rot in prison in all other playthroughs -- it was particularly satisfying to do it in my Female Elf Mage run ... you would think guy in jail would not want to insult the person who holds his freedom in their hands -- especially if that person is obviously a mage :-)

[Corker]

My HNF graciously allowed him to redeem himself slightly by contributing his 40 sovereigns to her efforts to save the world, and then murder knifed him.



I don't think she ever really liked him much.

[Bruddajakka]

He's never survived a single play through on any one of my characters. He's universally murder knifed.

[Giggles_Manically]

Ah yes "Vaughan" the supposed nobleman who rapes and murders elves for fun, who resides in Denerim.

Ah we have decapitated that claim:





Im sorry but that choice, is the only choices I cant make in the game. I have done everything else in the game but that.

[Bruddajakka]

It's not even a choice for any of my CE Wardens. The minute they see what's happened to Shianna their brains shut down, and thinks go hazy until Vaughan is dead.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yah I dont let him get away with it either.

If you walk away you send the message that this kind of thing is allowable, or even worse that elves only care about money.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I suppose one could do the deal with Vaughn, but I personally would have difficulty really getting into the character and continuing the game. To take money from a total human toad of a man so he can continue to rape my cousin/female relatives, who are laying wimpering and pleading right in front of me and clearly suffering the effects of one of the greatest evils committed by people, is pretty much too evil and bloodthirsty for me.



I can play a blood mage who trades Connor's soul for power, a DN who slaughters the Dalish down to the last child, have Alistair executed, kill Morrigan in WH, ect. But I could never dip into the mind of a character who would take money and false promises from a rapist so he could continue his physical and mental violation of a relative.

[Giggles_Manically]

Everd my most evil mage would have even killed him.



Mostly for being knocked out by Vaughan's friends. Plus money is not even a real motivation for him, maybe he would do it for a new spell or something like that but money?

Not really.

[Bruddajakka]

There's only two things I can't do in the game. Sell out Shianni, and stab Morrigan. Actually don't care about Nesciara or what's her face.