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[Caihn]

Gaxe wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Performance is also a problem.

Black Ops has a major drop in FPS when you use 3D. I dont think the tech is quite efficient enough.

Yea, the scene has to be  rendered twice instead of once.

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

I can assure you that rendering in 3D is not simple. It takes a lot more information and a lot more calculations. When you start requiring matrices for projection in the third dimension, calculation times can rise by large factors.

These gaming companies don't have to do ****.   NVIDIA has done all the work for 3D.  

The only thing Bioware has to do is:

* Allow the cross hair to be toggled on/off
* Provide 3D based cross hair, if jnot just let us turn it off.
* Provide 3D based mouse cursor, Civilization 5 did it.
* Instead of using 2D textual billboards use 3D ones.
* Allow special effects to be toggled on/off

They don't have to rewrite their 3D engine or any of that.  NVIDIA automatically handles ALL that.

The above wouldn't take longer than 2-3 hours for these pro developers.

The question is "Does Bioware care enough about 3D"?

Mass Effect 1 & Dragon Age in 3D looks amazing, outstanding when you turn off the GUI/HUD and hide the mouse.  It's like you're really there which provides for a VERY immersive experience.  When an enemy flies up in the air you can feel it. It's awesome.

So because Bioware didn't support a non-existant technology for a game that was published in 2007, it makes them "not care"?

In Mass Effect 1 all we need is a way to turn off the crosshair, and they have yet to allow us to do that with a patch. No they don't care.

Phaedon wrote...

I don't get all this fuss about pseudo-3D. This tech has been around for years.

I was a skeptic but then I finally bought it and let me tell you. Dragon Age & Mass Effect 1 LOOKED AMAZING. But it's hampered by very very little things that Bioware could fix in a heartbeat. VERY VERY minute things like a 3D mouse cursor or allowing us to turn off a cross hair. SIMPLE things. 

QFT

[AL JA]

yea, they probably don't care, along with almost everyone else

[Taz93]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Gaxe wrote...

These gaming companies don't have to do ****.   NVIDIA has done all the work for 3D.  

The only thing Bioware has to do is:

* Allow the cross hair to be toggled on/off
* Provide 3D based cross hair, if jnot just let us turn it off.
* Provide 3D based mouse cursor, Civilization 5 did it.
* Instead of using 2D textual billboards use 3D ones.
* Allow special effects to be toggled on/off

They don't have to rewrite their 3D engine or any of that.  NVIDIA automatically handles ALL that.

The above wouldn't take longer than 2-3 hours for these pro developers.

You have obviously never done any sort of software development.

Well he was just providing ideas, when a customer tells you what he would like, you dont tell him "You obviously have no idea about what you're talking about...", you tell him whats doable, whats not and if you can compensate or do something similar in return for the inability to do the exact thing he wants, but anyways i was going off-topic and i dont want to turn the thread into a fight.

His ideas are good. Although i (even if i could) wouldnt play ME3 in 3D, i know how 3D games look like and i belive that BW could attract a lot of new players into ME (thus making more loads of money, therefore producing more games that we all so much like) and it would satisfy almost all gamers that play it - they would get more action, more involvement if they got a shooting RPG in 3D. Everybody's happy, amirite?

That also reminds me, as long as 3D has the toggle, it pretty much wont hurt anyone, so BW really wouldnt let down anyone and it really couldnt harm the game. Just because somebody says that 3D isnt for Mass Effect because we've never had it before is like saying that Skype shouldnt have a push-to-talk button because normal phones dont have it (hereby completely ignoring that skype also has a chat).

But i must also not neglect the fact that we're not dealing with unlimited resources, and that most of the time companies might actually want to develop something but the ratio of -money spent / money gained - just isnt in their favor

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

The comment was directed towards how easy it would be for Bioware to implement this and the 2-3 hour estimation.

[Taz93]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

The comment was directed towards how easy it would be for Bioware to implement this and the 2-3 hour estimation.

Apologies, i thought you were talking about the "All bioware has to do:" section.    :/

[Destroy Raiden_]

if BW has a anti 3D stance I'm all for it 3D sucks anyway its highly over rated now they've got 3D TV so you can look alike an idiot in your own home joy! I'm sorry a 3D movie cost $20 in good old PA, NY is probably worse and now you want 3D games be prepared to pay $100 for it if not more. I'll stick w/ current games thanks.

[Skilled Seeker]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

if BW has a anti 3D stance I'm all for it 3D sucks anyway its highly over rated now they've got 3D TV so you can look alike an idiot in your own home joy! I'm sorry a 3D movie cost $20 in good old PA, NY is probably worse and now you want 3D games be prepared to pay $100 for it if not more. I'll stick w/ current games thanks.

lol 3d games cost just as much as normal ones. The ignorance in this thread is astounding. I can't believe how quick people are to shoot something down just because its new and they don't have it.

[Merchant2006]

No. No 3D. I'm sick and tired of it being everywhere.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Skilled Seeker wrote...
I can't believe how quick people are to shoot something down just because its new and they don't have it.

I'm not going to pay an extra thousand or so dollars for a HDTV that can use this gimmeck if I wear a set of cheaply made 3D glasses. Maybe five years from now once they have HDTVs and monitors that don't need those, but it is a waste of effort for a gimmeck.

[Skilled Seeker]

ReconTeam wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...
I can't believe how quick people are to shoot something down just because its new and they don't have it.

I'm not going to pay an extra thousand or so dollars for a HDTV that can use this gimmeck if I wear a set of cheaply made 3D glasses. Maybe five years from now once they have HDTVs and monitors that don't need those, but it is a waste of effort for a gimmeck.

Why is it so terrible that you have to wear glasses? Anyway no one is saying make ME 3d only, just allow it to support 3d which most modern games are doing.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Skilled Seeker wrote...
Why is it so terrible that you have to wear glasses? Anyway no one is saying make ME 3d only, just allow it to support 3d which most modern games are doing.

Well I wear glasses enough without using a flimsey set to look at a TV, but regardless if it causes a performance drop or takes a good deal of effort to integrate, I don't believe it is worth the costs.

[slimgrin]

3D is a gimmick.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Gaxe wrote...

These gaming companies don't have to do ****.   NVIDIA has done all the work for 3D.  

The only thing Bioware has to do is:

* Allow the cross hair to be toggled on/off
* Provide 3D based cross hair, if jnot just let us turn it off.
* Provide 3D based mouse cursor, Civilization 5 did it.
* Instead of using 2D textual billboards use 3D ones.
* Allow special effects to be toggled on/off

They don't have to rewrite their 3D engine or any of that.  NVIDIA automatically handles ALL that.

The above wouldn't take longer than 2-3 hours for these pro developers.

You have obviously never done any sort of software development.

+1.  Just recompiling and deploying it in a testing environment is going to take 2-3 hours.

[B3taMaxxx]

vhatever wrote...

Yes, Bioware are avowed dimensionists.

 ^ Funny

 Until 3D tvs which do not require glasses or a brain implant are readily availible for purchase at reasonable prices, I see little reason in developers spending the time learning how to utilize this tech. Of course I haven't any idea how it works, nor do I care............at the moment.

Modifié par B3taMaxxx, 13 novembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[Ulous]

3D is the new Virtual Reality.

[TheMufflon]

Slidell505 wrote...

And I want be able to play it with my power glove.

I am glad I'm not the only one who feels this way!

I've noticed Bioware has not shown any interest in the Powerglove. There has been zero support for the Powerglove  in any of their games.

Given the nature of grand adventure and epic storytelling in their games, you would think they would embrace an additional layer of technology that would increase immersion.

What is up with BioWares ANTI powerglove stance? It's not like they'd have to do a lot to integrate it into their games 2-3 hours of development at most. I mean why wouldn't they, unless because of some baseless hate against it? All their fans know that the Powerglove is so bad (and I mean that in the 80's way, when bad actually meant good).

I also hope Mass Effect 3 & Dragon Age II will be Powerglove-ready.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 13 novembre 2010 - 03:21 .

[deleted]

I can't decide if the OP is an NVIDIA salesman, a 3D accessory salesman, or selling something else altogether.

[Archereon]

Gaxe wrote...

I've noticed Bioware has not shown any interest in 3D glasses, etc.   There has been zero support for 3D for any of their games.

Given the nature of grand adventure and epic storytelling in their games, you would think they would embrace an additional layer of technology that would increase immersion.

I really hope Bioware patches Mass Effect & Dragon Age making them totally 3D ready with cursors, cross hairs and 2D images rendering correctly in 3D.

I also hope Mass Effect 3 & Dragon Age II will be 3D-ready.

3d isn't good for that gimmickey pop out stuff, but its great for depth perception.

[ak4115]

Mass Effect 2 looks the way it looks, and has no 3d or widescreen support because they sacrificed everything else to have 1280*720 *2xAA + dynamic shadows running on a lowly X360.



This is not about 3d , its about consolitis.

[ak4115]

BTW these "gimmick" guys would shat their pants if they could try my ME2 screenshots at some local shop with a 3d plasma. Its pop out and all that. My projector is better than plasma screens though , and I won't share because you don't deserve it.

[slimgrin]

*grabs cane*

I've been around long enough to see all these gimmicks come and go. Since the NES days...that's right brotha, SINCE THE NES DAYS. The stupid robot, the twister pad, the gun for shooting ducks - all of it went by the wayside. But still the console market keeps inventing 'revolutionary' gimmicks.

Lap it up if you like, it'll be gone tomorrow. This is what I truly hate about the console market: a steady stream of gimmicks and overpriced accessories.You better enjoy jumping around like an epileptic chicken, cause here comes KINECT!!

Glad I'm on pc.

Modifié par slimgrin, 14 novembre 2010 - 10:34 .

[ak4115]

I agree Sony 3d is gimmick . I agree 3d LCD , plasma TV's are gimmick.

But look, 30% improved test scores because of 3d projectors employed in a classroom is no goddamn gimmick.

Maybe if you had 30% improved test scores back in 80's or 90's, you wouldnt say its "gimmick" either.
There will be a serious generation gap between you gimmick guys and kids of these days, you'd better prepare for that.
It will be so funny, I just laugh.
Oh, and personally I can't play in 2d anymore, its so "fake".

Modifié par ak4115, 14 novembre 2010 - 05:03 .

[ak4115]

Read around in this forum, quite a disaster here, sorta like valve forum , with big mouth kiddos running around senselessly. Anyway , Im out .Write me pm if you want , maybe I get notified , maybe not. Look for my other posts for your 3d fix, no need to pm for that.

Modifié par ak4115, 14 novembre 2010 - 06:10 .