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[dheer]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...
Its just a case of getting used to the idea. You loved origins, you naturally want more.

Yep, I want to know what's next for the Warden by continuing my adventure. I know it's already too late for Hawke's game, so it's more than likely my pleas will fall on deaf ears. DA2 seems like a storytelling experiement and a side tale. I'm almost to the point that I just hope they can get DA2 over and done with so we can move back to the story I care about.

You'll soon embrace what is DA2 and look forward to it.

Not really, though the reason is more gameplay wise than story.

[Nerivant]

dheer wrote...
Yep, I want to know what's next for the Warden by continuing my adventure. I know it's already too late for Hawke's game, so it's more than likely my pleas will fall on deaf ears. DA2 seems like a storytelling experiement and a side tale. I'm almost to the point that I just hope they can get DA2 over and done with so we can move back to the story I care about.

Just because you don't care about it doesn't make it any less significant.

[Nozybidaj]

dheer wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...
Its just a case of getting used to the idea. You loved origins, you naturally want more.

Yep, I want to know what's next for the Warden by continuing my adventure. I know it's already too late for Hawke's game, so it's more than likely my pleas will fall on deaf ears. DA2 seems like a storytelling experiement and a side tale. I'm almost to the point that I just hope they can get DA2 over and done with so we can move back to the story I care about.

I've taken David's posts in this thread as a fairly definitive "not gonna happen".  Obviously he used words so that it can be read as a not certain direction, but really it is what it is.

[MAD WHITE HAM]

I just want my warden to be apart of Hawk's story in a small supporting role... whatever that may be... we can only speculate. This even covers the US decision because the warden's small role could be removed/replaced if he was dead. I will be disappointed if my warden is not in DA2 and Morrigan is because my warden went with Morrigan through the portal.

[David Gaider]

Nozybidaj wrote...
I seriously just got a flashback to "just trust us" before ME2's launch, lmao..... 

Sorry David, I'll give you a lot or props for things you do, especially your totally voluntary interaction with the community, but I think I'll take a 'wait and see' approach this time around. 

At this point I haven't really seen any reason I should be interested much in Hawke and if we never get the Warden back and wrap up any of those old loose threads, well its certainly your choice.

I'm not saying "just trust us". I'm saying "give us some credit for being able to write something which you've already expressed enjoyment for". If someone really wants to threaten to take their ball and go home because they don't think anything could be as good as what came before... congratulations? I have no idea what you would consider a good story, and the chances that everyone would enjoy any story equally are pretty remote, but don't act like we don't know how to write one if you've already come away from at least one of our stories feeling like you do.

[Huntress]

MAD WHITE HAM wrote...

I just want my warden to be apart of Hawk's story in a small supporting role... whatever that may be... we can only speculate. This even covers the US decision because the warden's small role could be removed/replaced if he was dead. I will be disappointed if my warden is not in DA2 and Morrigan is because my warden went with Morrigan through the portal.

The warden/morrigan are not in DA2, thats hawke story, the Warden will be mention on it tho, Thats Not bad isn't?

Maybe we can buy a book* ( hint*) that will continue the warden story, including the mirror!

[upsettingshorts]

But I care about Kirk and Spock! I was furious when they cast an English guy to play a French captain of a new ship with some psychiatrist as a member of the bridge crew. That show ended up being a sideshow waste of time. I'm glad they got back to the story I cared about with Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 novembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[Nozybidaj]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not saying "just trust us". I'm saying "give us some credit for being able to write something which you've already expressed enjoyment for".

Fair enough, and I think we certainly do give you that credit, or why else would we all be here to being with?  I just find it interesting you (and not you individually but BW as a whole) seem to get so offended that people actually liked your previous products and wish to see more of it.

[upsettingshorts]

Nozybidaj wrote...
Fair enough, and I think we certainly do give you that credit, or why else would we all be here to being with?  I just find it interesting you (and not you individually but BW as a whole) seem to get so offended that people actually liked your previous products and wish to see more of it.

I don't think that's the issue.  I think it's the people saying that they've already decided they don't care about Hawke at all because he isn't the Warden.

I didn't even write DA:O and even I think that's odd.

Who cared about the Warden before DA:O came out?  Was it even possible to?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 novembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[Leonia]

I'm crazy because I don't care that much at all about The Warden. I felt more attached to my companions in Origins than my own character. But I'm ready to meet new ones and see where Hawke's story takes us.

[Nozybidaj]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Fair enough, and I think we certainly do give you that credit, or why else would we all be here to being with?  I just find it interesting you (and not you individually but BW as a whole) seem to get so offended that people actually liked your previous products and wish to see more of it.

I don't think that's the issue.  I think it's the people saying that they've already decided they don't care about Hawke at all because he isn't the Warden.

I didn't even write DA:O and even I think that's odd.

Ah, then maybe I missed the point, and I certainly think I fall into that category.  Not sure if I can explain it properly or not, but I'll give it a shot. 

For myself I think it ties more into the personal attachment I created with my Warden or my Shepard or whatever.  It certainly ties into the expectations created (either individually or by clues/hints/loose ends/etc left in the original game).  I'd personally like to see development of known characters instead of having to go through the whole process of creating all brand new attachment to new characters so that I can, what, throw it all away and do it all over again in DA3?

I certainly think BW and their writers have the chops to do some fairly impressive character development from one chapter to the next and it would be some pretty epic stuff that no one else really pulls off well in the industry.  It kinda feels like they take the "throw out the baby with the bath water" approach to their characters the same way the do game mechanics.

Really sum it all up and it is just disappointment in lack effort to achieve a purely self conceived expectation of epicness.  Is it entirely fair to BW or David or the writers?  No, not really, but there it is.

[Wulfram]

Bioware might have got more faith if the last thing they'd done in the DA universe was Origins.

[Ziggeh]

leonia42 wrote...

I'm crazy because I don't care that much at all about The Warden. I felt more attached to my companions in Origins than my own character. But I'm ready to meet new ones and see where Hawke's story takes us.

You know, the only redeeming feature of my Warden was that he took one for the team. If he hadn't, if I'd let loghain buy it, I'm quite certain he would have settled down into a nice administrative role within the Grey Warden order, and that's definitely a story I would like to see continued. Book keeping mini game? Yes please.

[Nerivant]

Wulfram wrote...

Bioware might have got more faith if the last thing they'd done in the DA universe was Origins.

Origins was the last thing they did in the DA universe.

Oh, wait, you mean last as in final.

So, you want there to never be another DA game?

What.

[Wulfram]

Nerivant wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Bioware might have got more faith if the last thing they'd done in the DA universe was Origins.

Origins was the last thing they did in the DA universe.

Oh, wait, you mean last as in final.

So, you want there to never be another DA game?

What.

No, I mean if the last thing we'd got from them was Origins, rather than Awakening and the assorted DLC

[Nerivant]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm crazy because I don't care that much at all about The Warden. I felt more attached to my companions in Origins than my own character. But I'm ready to meet new ones and see where Hawke's story takes us.

You know, the only redeeming feature of my Warden was that he took one for the team. If he hadn't, if I'd let loghain buy it, I'm quite certain he would have settled down into a nice administrative role within the Grey Warden order, and that's definitely a story I would like to see continued. Book keeping mini game? Yes please.

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[Nozybidaj]

Wulfram wrote...

Bioware might have got more faith if the last thing they'd done in the DA universe was Origins.

Or not have even bothered with endings other than the heroic sacrifice.  It certainly seems now that it was the 'intended' end of Origins.  So why not just make it so?  I seem to recall rather vividly the epilogue telling me (paraphrased) "this isn't the last Ferelden heard of their hero".  Why even include that if we aren't going to see more?

I'm willing to accept that my own expectations of what was to come after DAO are completely a work of my own fabrication but it certainly wasn't without influences already built into the game.

[upsettingshorts]

I see.

I think part of the problem is the strengths of DA:O are self-limiting from a creative perspective, a point I touched on regarding why the DLC seems to miss the mark for so many people. Our Wardens are, due to the origins and the number of endings, more personal and unique to each user than a more static character like Shepard.

Imagine trying to write a full sequel that accommodates all the possible origins and endings for the Warden. The only way to pull this off - if I'd even concede that it's possible and I'm not sure I can - is to write a very bland/simple story that would work for a lot of endings, even the Ultimate Sacrifice with an Orlesian Warden type solution.

I don't think there is a way to make a satisfying, Warden-focused sequel to DA:O. It could, as Mr. Gaider said, pick up plot threads and move them forward much more easily without running afoul of an endless variety of players' expectations.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 novembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[KhorinShizucor]

I wish I had access to stats to show how players "ended" the game but I get the impression that most Wardens took part in the dark ritual. Therefore, not knowing what's going to happen with Morrigan and the baby is rather upsetting for some.

The main story of DA:O was to stop a blight and we all achieved that in some way or other so the Warden's story is over. Yes, Morrigan is an important figure in Thedas but I like that she's doing stuff (maybe with the Warden & god baby) that we as the audience don't know about - yet.

[Edit] Basically, I think it'd only be fair to have some kind of side story for those who feel they need closure or a continuation of the Warden's story. However, I know Bioware can't accommodate all fans.

Modifié par KhorinShizucor, 18 novembre 2010 - 07:27 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

dheer wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...
Its just a case of getting used to the idea. You loved origins, you naturally want more.

Yep, I want to know what's next for the Warden by continuing my adventure. I know it's already too late for Hawke's game, so it's more than likely my pleas will fall on deaf ears. DA2 seems like a storytelling experiement and a side tale. I'm almost to the point that I just hope they can get DA2 over and done with so we can move back to the story I care about.

You'll soon embrace what is DA2 and look forward to it.

Not really, though the reason is more gameplay wise than story.

Lol.
I would adore my wardens story to continue. Ive bonded with her more than any character, im now modding to extend her story just so i get to play her more.
But they've moved on, they want to pursue other projects, and there's bugger all we can do about it.
At least wait until the finished game is out and you've given it a chance. After all, its a game made about one of your favourite fantasy worlds and by the same people that made the Origins you love so much


I wont deny how god awful Witch hunt was. That was NOT an apt ending to the Wardens tale. It really should have ended on the arch demon, with only DLC that acted as side quests....

Modifié par NamiraWilhelm, 18 novembre 2010 - 07:30 .

[Huntress]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Fair enough, and I think we certainly do give you that credit, or why else would we all be here to being with?  I just find it interesting you (and not you individually but BW as a whole) seem to get so offended that people actually liked your previous products and wish to see more of it.

I don't think that's the issue.  I think it's the people saying that they've already decided they don't care about Hawke at all because he isn't the Warden.

I didn't even write DA:O and even I think that's odd.

Ah, then maybe I missed the point, and I certainly think I fall into that category.  Not sure if I can explain it properly or not, but I'll give it a shot. 

For myself I think it ties more into the personal attachment I created with my Warden or my Shepard or whatever.  It certainly ties into the expectations created (either individually or by clues/hints/loose ends/etc left in the original game).  I'd personally like to see development of known characters instead of having to go through the whole process of creating all brand new attachment to new characters so that I can, what, throw it all away and do it all over again in DA3?

I certainly think BW and their writers have the chops to do some fairly impressive character development from one chapter to the next and it would be some pretty epic stuff that no one else really pulls off well in the industry.  It kinda feels like they take the "throw out the baby with the bath water" approach to their characters the same way the do game mechanics.

Really sum it all up and it is just disappointment in lack effort to achieve a purely self conceived expectation of epicness.  Is it entirely fair to BW or David or the writers?  No, not really, but there it is.

DA3 is gonna be something new aswell, and the warden (120% sure) won't be mentioned at all, hawke will.
What DA3 is gonna be about?, no clue, maybe the fade and how wynne got free of the spirit of faith, yes after 10 years

Modifié par Huntress, 18 novembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Naughty Bear]

Warden story is over, sorry. BANG! And the Warden is gone!

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 18 novembre 2010 - 07:28 .

[upsettingshorts]

The one game I think a DA:O Warden-focused sequel would work in? A Thedas sandbox like Mount & Blade. That's literally all I can think of. Trying to fit all the Wardens into an actual fixed story strikes me as a nightmare.

[Nozybidaj]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I see.

I think part of the problem is the strengths of DA:O are self-limiting from a creative perspective, a point I touched on regarding why the DLC seems to miss the mark for so many people. Our Wardens are, due to the origins and the number of endings, more personal and unique to each user than a more static character like Shepard.

Imagine trying to write a full sequel that accommodates all the possible origins and endings for the Warden. The only way to pull this off - if I'd even concede that it's possible and I'm not sure I can - is to write a very bland/simple story that would work for a lot of endings, even the Ultimate Sacrifice with an Orlesian Warden type solution.

I don't think there is a way to make a satisfying, Warden-focused sequel to DA:O. It could, as Mr. Gaider said, pick up plot threads and move them forward much more easily without running afoul of an endless variety of players' expectations.

I'm not sure I entirely a gree with that.  In the end was there really a huge breadth of differences?  I suppose it depends on what you compare it to.  I'm just glad to know now that my US ending in ME2 will be accounted for.

[upsettingshorts]

Nozybidaj wrote...
I'm not sure I entirely a gree with that.  In the end was there really a huge breadth of differences?  I suppose it depends on what you compare it to.  I'm just glad to know now that my US ending in ME2 will be accounted for.

It won't, but you knew that and they told us so much.  If they told us ahead of time that the US ending of DA:O would result in no export file, we'd be looking at it differently.

In terms of whether or not the Wardens were that different or we all looked at them differently, I've seen so many different "I wish my Warden could..." scenarios in the few months I've been posting here than I'm able to keep track of.