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[Big I]

I think that the Warden will return in the future, that Bioware will write a way to even bring back Wardens who made the US. That said, whether or not that actually happens I'm mre than happy with how the Warden's story ends in all but one respect. They kill the Archdemon, save the world, and then ride of into the sunset/found a dwarven house as Paragon/become Chancellor/King/Queen. That's a good story and a respectful end for the character.



The one aspect of the story I'm disappointed in was the Morrigan plot in Witch Hunt. They billed it as the Warden's last adventure, as the end of the Morrigan story, and yet at the end all we got was an extended goodbye. No explanation about the OGB (if it exists), no breakdown of what the actual relationship between Flemeth and Morrigan actually is, no unravelling of the mystery surrounding them at all. Just "I will now leave through this plot device to an unspecified world for an unspecified purpose." There was no CLOSURE.

[Pwnsaur]

^^^Agreed. I was really hoping for more from Witch Hunt..

[Harid]

Pretty sure the warden will never been seen again. Given that he was created content, they would not be able to pull what everyone's warden looked like into future games, especially with changes to the npc create kit.

[AngelicMachinery]

I for one do not want any more warden adventures, I am happy enough to imagine my warden "Settling down" with Leilana to roam to land. While she hides the fact that she is searching for a means to extend her life span from her partner to keep her from worrying about when the taint will finally get her.



I don't want another game because that wouldn't be the plot.

[steelfire_dragon]

The Immortal warden suffered the quickening to the Immortal Hawke


in the end there can be only one, and it wasn't the Warden

[TwistedComplex]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Stoomkal wrote...

I do not know a single writer or member of the literary industry who thinks that the story of the Warden has any kind of "satisfactory conclusion".

David Gaider?

Me, I just find the image of a "literary industry" out there full of men in smoking jackets debating over whether or not Dragon Age had a satisfactory conclusion to be incredibly amusing.

Literary industry, you say?

[orpheus333]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I think that the Warden will return in the future, that Bioware will write a way to even bring back Wardens who made the US. That said, whether or not that actually happens I'm mre than happy with how the Warden's story ends in all but one respect. They kill the Archdemon, save the world, and then ride of into the sunset/found a dwarven house as Paragon/become Chancellor/King/Queen. That's a good story and a respectful end for the character.

The one aspect of the story I'm disappointed in was the Morrigan plot in Witch Hunt. They billed it as the Warden's last adventure, as the end of the Morrigan story, and yet at the end all we got was an extended goodbye. No explanation about the OGB (if it exists), no breakdown of what the actual relationship between Flemeth and Morrigan actually is, no unravelling of the mystery surrounding them at all. Just "I will now leave through this plot device to an unspecified world for an unspecified purpose." There was no CLOSURE.

What irritated me was the ending were morrigan tells you the all will be revealed in the book she left behind. Only as a player you can't read the sodding book.

[Tanstar]

I loved the story of Morrigan and my Warder and would love to continue it, but David's points are excellent. The best one being, if they weren't world-class storytellers none of us would be wasting our time here.



I'm an aspiring author and it's a little overwhelming to consider the amount of writing required by the many origins, choices, dialogs, and relationships the DA:O team took into consideration. I was initially disappointed that DA2 didn't involve my Warder, but I'm now xcited to see where they will take us this time!

[philbo1965uk]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Stoomkal wrote...

I do not know a single writer or member of the literary industry who thinks that the story of the Warden has any kind of "satisfactory conclusion".

David Gaider?

Me, I just find the image of a "literary industry" out there full of men in smoking jackets debating over whether or not Dragon Age had a satisfactory conclusion to be incredibly amusing.

Highly...unfortunately the reality is less amusing.

The fact is you have many customers that didn't expect the franchise to take such a drastic change of direction .As Bioware seek to expand the potential of the franchise...it isn't prudent to have such a flippant regard for the custom you  also seek to retain.

The fact is as a large percentage of customers continued with the Warden story...it isn't bias to state that the ending of witch hunt was an unsatisfactory conclusion.it answered nothing with regard to the plot and indeed left many aspects unanswered.

Their disenfranchised anger and bewilderment may be entertaining to someone who could care less...but as these disenfranchised angry people have $60-100 to spend on your title...it isn't a sensible attitude .

Modifié par philbo1965uk, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:05 .

[PSUHammer]

philbo1965uk wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Stoomkal wrote...

I do not know a single writer or member of the literary industry who thinks that the story of the Warden has any kind of "satisfactory conclusion".

David Gaider?

Me, I just find the image of a "literary industry" out there full of men in smoking jackets debating over whether or not Dragon Age had a satisfactory conclusion to be incredibly amusing.

Highly...unfortunately the reality is less amusing.

The fact is you have many customers that didn't expect the franchise to take such a drastic change of direction .As Bioware seek to expand the potential of the franchise...it isn't prudent to have such a flippant regard for the custom you  also seek to retain.

The fact is as a large percentage of customers continued with the Warden story...it isn't bias to state that the ending of witch hunt was an unsatisfactory conclusion.it answered nothing with regard to the plot and indeed left many aspects unanswered.

Their disenfranchised anger and bewilderment may be entertaining to someone who could care less...but as these disenfranchised angry people have $60-100 to spend on your title...it isn't a sensible attitude .

I am quite sure the jaded are in the minority, man.  If you come on these forums you would think ME2 was the worst game ever made.  Outside the angry internet minority that posts vehemently on this forum, it's an awesome game.  If someone feels they can determine the quality of the product before it is released, than you are smarter than everyone here.  It's a game, for Pete's sake, why can't people just relax?

And, since when did customers start taking creative ownership of products that they, themselves, had no involement in developing?  I think all the people who are disenfranchised with Bioware's "direction" should save their cash and perhaps start up their own company and develop games to their own tastes?  That way, you can see how many others agree with your creative vision and expectations.  

Modifié par Hammer6767, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:36 .

[AlanC9]

philbo1965uk wrote...
The fact is as a large percentage of customers continued with the Warden story...it isn't bias to state that the ending of witch hunt was an unsatisfactory conclusion.it answered nothing with regard to the plot and indeed left many aspects unanswered.

What is that "large percentage," anyway? Did Bio ever release a figure for how many folks downloaded WH?

And what percentage of that percentage agreed with you about WH?

[Brockololly]

AlanC9 wrote...

philbo1965uk wrote...
The fact is as a large percentage of customers continued with the Warden story...it isn't bias to state that the ending of witch hunt was an unsatisfactory conclusion.it answered nothing with regard to the plot and indeed left many aspects unanswered.

What is that "large percentage," anyway? Did Bio ever release a figure for how many folks downloaded WH?

And what percentage of that percentage agreed with you about WH?

Conjecture on my part, but I don't think a good many people were thrilled with how WH ended the Warden's story or possibly the Warden's interactions with Morrigan. Generally you read reviews of WH and the big criticism is that people were expecting a lot more from the story than what was (or wasn't) given in terms of answers.

[Cobrawar]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I think that the Warden will return in the future, that Bioware will write a way to even bring back Wardens who made the US. That said, whether or not that actually happens I'm mre than happy with how the Warden's story ends in all but one respect. They kill the Archdemon, save the world, and then ride of into the sunset/found a dwarven house as Paragon/become Chancellor/King/Queen. That's a good story and a respectful end for the character.

The one aspect of the story I'm disappointed in was the Morrigan plot in Witch Hunt. They billed it as the Warden's last adventure, as the end of the Morrigan story, and yet at the end all we got was an extended goodbye. No explanation about the OGB (if it exists), no breakdown of what the actual relationship between Flemeth and Morrigan actually is, no unravelling of the mystery surrounding them at all. Just "I will now leave through this plot device to an unspecified world for an unspecified purpose." There was no CLOSURE.

 terrible writing will always create more questions then answer them

Modifié par Cobrawar, 05 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[JamieCOTC]

If Awakening hadn't ended so goddamned abruptly I would have viewed WH as a satisfying epilogue, which is what it truly was (besides being a $7.00 commercial for DA2).

[Follow Me on Twitter]

The ending to witch hunt was alright, not what i expected.



But i feel everything we need to know about the wardens story has already been said not everything needs to be known, and whos to say they don't explain more in dragon age 2.



I can really picture Hawke coming across the spirit of the Warden, like when the game imports the save from orgins it also imports the character model or something and gives us some cut scenes or dialogue with them at some point in the game.

[Ziggeh]

Cobrawar wrote...

 terrible writing will always create more questions then answer them

Unless the intention is to create a setting that appears larger than the sum of the information provided.

[Mercedes-Benz]

Don't think so, the Warden (unless he sacrificed himself at the end of the first game) will likely feature in some capacity in Dragon Age 2, but he (most likely) won't be playable.

[Thiefy]

this thread was like a month old...i thought it died Dx



Anyway, clearly there is more with the warden going on or there's a possibility of it with WH however, that is not "the warden's story", as I think the main point of the topic was. That doesn't mean they can't be an accomplice or side character in another story though. Mr. Gaider said the Warden's story was finished in relation to DAO - meaning the darkspawn/archdemon threat.



I think there is a difference in taking part in a story and having it center around you.

[TwistedComplex]

Halo, Red Dead series, grand theft auto, eldar scrolls, call of duty, and now dragon age

All those games switched main characters and did perfectly fine.

The problem with people is they're trying to live vicariously through their dragon age warden. Which is pretty damn scary if you think about it.

You need to let it go just accept that the warden will be just another character in biowares long list of characters that are and will be.

How would have had your warden story really end? Die glourisly in battle? Ride off with your LI and have 20 kids? Would he be like batman and fight crime where-ever it rears its ugly head?

Fact of the matter, playing your warden and waiting around for 300 years for the next blight would be BORING.
If you really want to continue your warden story, wait for The Sims: Medival cause that's what DA:O would have turned into if they continued the wardens story

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 05 janvier 2011 - 07:13 .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Could not have said it any better myself, people cling to the original warden so much its pretty bizarre.



No matter what ending Bioware gives to the warden everyone will be unsatisfied.

[Thiefy]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Halo, Red Dead series, grand theft auto, eldar scrolls, call of duty, and now dragon age

All those games switched main characters and did perfectly fine.

The problem with people is they're trying to live vicariously through their dragon age warden. Which is pretty damn scary if you think about it.

You need to let it go just accept that the warden will be just another character in biowares long list of characters that are and will be.

How would have had your warden story really end? Die glourisly in battle? Ride off with your LI and have 20 kids? Would he be like batman and fight crime where-ever it rears its ugly head?

Fact of the matter, playing your warden and waiting around for 300 years for the next blight would be BORING.
If you really want to continue your warden story, wait for The Sims: Medival cause that's what DA:O would have turned into if they continued the wardens story

Or they could start a new save game. just sayin'.

[Todd23]

People keep saying how terrible it would be to have the warden's story continue but be inaccurate, but I havn't seen complaints from USers about Awakening. But, it seems I'm the only one who still mentions Sandal. You know, a baby abandoned in the Deep Roads, even though he didn't have a brand, simple-minded, yet a master enchanter, and surrounded by darkspawn corpses at Fort Drakon.

[Kaellanen]

I'd like to chime in and say I was totally satisfied with how Origins ended after all of the DLC. If you kept the same character throught the whole thing, your character killed a demon-dragon and it's army of evil critters, destroyed the it's intelligent offspring and restarted your sacred order, wiped out a weird flesh golem and it's army of corpses, and then had the potential to go with your love interest into mirror world to raise your child together.



If that's not enough for one person to accomplish, I must admit to being an underachiever. I'm totally cool with my Warden spending the rest of his days with the hot goth chic he fell in love with.

[The Big Nothing]

My Warden's story ended on top of Fort Drakon.

[Lord Hayden]

Hey Everyone. I am New to the forums. I saw this thread and I read the posts (Not all of them, there are 27 pages after all.)



I see the validity in both sides of the argument. Personally, I would like to maybe have the warden (if survived) come along as a temp companion or kind of be like the "Duncan" to Hawke (Like Duncan was to the Warden) and then the Warden dies (either way, The warden dies heroically)

But yes, I am really excited for the new expansion pack.



I REALLY REALLY Hope Alistair and all the other companions at least make a cameo appearance.