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[Gilsa]

I vaguely recall that one of the reasons why they were making all these changes in DA2 was because it was hard to market a game that didn't focus on any particular character. Male!Hawke was chosen to be the face for DA2 so consumers could connect to the product better. I would be mildly surprised if they didn't stay the course with Hawke from here on out, but anything can happen.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ Aumata, Cazlee, and Wulfram. I agree with all of you.

[wildannie]

Well, I hope the warden's story is not over.

My ideal beginning to DA3 would be a similar choice of beginnings as with origins... taking account of the different endings, with Morrigan, Zevran, Leliana, Alistair or Alone. With these beginnings converging at an 'ostagar' point for the main game.

[Cazlee]

The weirdest part about switching to Hawke is that our wardens and allies are still around in the DA2 universe. If DA2 was set 30 years in the future, switching to Hawke would have been easier to understand.

Edit: now I keep wondering if Hawke is human and DA2 is set in this period because of Fiona.

Modifié par Cazlee, 12 novembre 2010 - 08:54 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Gilsa wrote...

I vaguely recall that one of the reasons why they were making all these changes in DA2 was because it was hard to market a game that didn't focus on any particular character. Male!Hawke was chosen to be the face for DA2 so consumers could connect to the product better. I would be mildly surprised if they didn't stay the course with Hawke from here on out, but anything can happen.

You make a good point but new players to the game once played have the chance of purchasing the new UE if they choose and will know and understand the warden's story; even if they don't purchase they will still be able to look on the wiki for information on the warden and the possible out comes of Origins, and  Awakenings; therefore I conclude Hawk's story being a one shot deal.  If they aren't going to continue the Warden's why would they continue Hawk's?

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Cazlee wrote...

The weirdest part about switching to Hawke is that our wardens and allies are still around in the DA2 universe. If DA2 was set 30 years in the future, switching to Hawke would have been easier to understand.

Edit: now I keep wondering if Hawke is human and DA2 is set in this period because of Fiona.

Hawk has been confirmed as being human. 

Hmmm, interesting theory on Fiona.

[Xallah]

I think not... I'm sure we won't have the Warden as a playable character any longer, but we still might hear about him/her. And especially if you went through the mirror with Morrigan.

[Meltemph]

The head writers have hinted that the first warden's story isn't over.

Which could mean a whole host of things.

Awakenings epilogue card also said it's not over. If you role play your story being over then it's over, but others are not roleplaying that their warden's story is over.

What does that have to do with my point? NWN2 also did the same thing.

There was an out cry from fans that DA2 was not the warden's story so I'm not reading into this. This is a known fact on the forums and other websites that discuss DA.

There are outcries about just about everything that changed, but I'm not seeing why you are using this to infer that the Warden will be the protagonist again(Unless you are just saying he will be a playable character).

[Ziggeh]

Cazlee wrote...

The weirdest part about switching to Hawke is that our wardens and allies are still around in the DA2 universe. If DA2 was set 30 years in the future, switching to Hawke would have been easier to understand.

It lets them to refer to events in Origins without being dictated by them.

edit: not that 30 years on wouldn't do that, but they've only got 100 years in which to tell the story and apparently plan on doing many within it.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 12 novembre 2010 - 09:06 .

[upsettingshorts]

In answer to the question posed in the thread title: I hope so.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Anexity wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm fairly certain Gaider implied that the Warden's story isn't over yet in one of these threads.

He vaguely did.

Well, he refused to confirm that we've seen the last of the Warden in Witch Hunt.


Does that mean he is bound to be back? Who knows. Anything is possible
ta this point. David said that Dragon Age is about stories set in
Thedas, but that doesn't mean that some stories cannot share the same
protagonist.

The only way I see the Warden's story continuing is if they release a surprise expansion. Wasn't something DAO related suppose to come out on Feb 1st? Or did the DA2 announcement get rid of that?

If they are going to change their minds, I think it will be Hawke who's story is continued is DA3 to avoid jumping back and forth between stories.

I think we've aleady seen the content coming for Feb.  The DA Legends Flash game.  Now I might be wrong and they have something else in the works. 

[wildannie]

I find it surprising that they thought that the marketing of DAO was problematic because they couldn't focus on one character... The bulk of marketing for DA2 is male Hawke, who I'll probably never play, I never play male Shep in ME either.

I thought that the opportunity to play multiple origins would have been a much better hook than the single lead protagonist.

[Maria Caliban]

AlexXIV wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mass Effect is the story of Commander Shepard. Dragon Age is the story of Thedas. I find the first approach is more personal while the second is more epic.

Actually no. ME is more epic, as was BG2. How is making new heroes for every sequel and basically nullifying the decisions you made in the original game more epic? I don't know the story so I won't say now if DA2 is more epic than ME2, it could be, but not because they scrapped the Warden.

Most epic fantasy has more than one main character, this is because the story of one person is, by necessity, limited in scope.

Take a Song of Ice and Fire, if the *only* viewpoint we got was that of John Snow, how much would we lose in perspective? Or even if it was only Tyron? We'd know nothing about what was happening beyond the wall or what Dynarus was doing.

I didn't say that the story of Dragon Age 2 is more epic than Mass Effect 2. I said that the story of Dragon Age is more epic than Mass Effect.

Mass Effect is about one person, Shepard, and her battle against the Reapers. It's focused on a single conflict. Does that mean Shepard battling the Reapers is the *only thing* happening in the Mass Effect universe? I find that hard to believe. There's probably lots of important, dramatic stuff happening, but Shepard is oblivious to it so we never see it.

Even in Origins, Dragon Age was more epic than ME. You only played one Warden, but because of the Origins, you could experience six different viewpoints at the beginning. And no matter what Warden you pick, the other PCs still exist. If you play a Human Noble, you'll come across the skeleton of the Dwarven Casteless.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 12 novembre 2010 - 09:21 .

[upsettingshorts]

OT: That reminds me. I need to read George R.R. Martin one of these days. But I need to finish the Robert E. Howard stuff I've already got.



Back on topic: I agree with Maria's distinction about DA vs. Mass Effect when it comes to which is more epic. The stakes are much much higher in Mass Effect, for obvious Reaper-fueled reasons - but the story is a personal one. Dragon Age takes a broader, more epic approach.

[Shadow Warior]

Why is the warden gone, the guy is made of legends, I mean stoping a blight in one year or two, save ferelden etc. I have to know Hawk´s story better, but for now I want the warden back.

And the multiple races could came back, after all only "you" know how the warden was like.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Meltemph wrote...

The head writers have hinted that the first warden's story isn't over.

Which could mean a whole host of things.

Awakenings epilogue card also said it's not over. If you role play your story being over then it's over, but others are not roleplaying that their warden's story is over.

What does that have to do with my point? NWN2 also did the same thing.

There was an out cry from fans that DA2 was not the warden's story so I'm not reading into this. This is a known fact on the forums and other websites that discuss DA.

There are outcries about just about everything that changed, but I'm not seeing why you are using this to infer that the Warden will be the protagonist again(Unless you are just saying he will be a playable character).

OMG, don't you have homework to go do or something, or is being a jerk just the norm for you ?  If you role played your warden story as finished good for you then your warden's story is over.   You've stated your opinion so move on.  Just as I've stated mine.   For other people their character lives on.  The 'HEAD WRITER' for the series has hinted that a warden's story wil continue along with Morrigan's.   They have hinted at this, not confirmed it.  So what part of this aren't you getting?    If you have any further discussions on this topic direct them to the head writer not me.   Moving on now. 

[Meltemph]

AS IF the Warden's ONLY deal with darkspawn

However, the Darkspawn is numero uno in scope.

I'm REALLY tired of seeing people make this statement. As Wynne says to the Warden, the Grey Wardens SERVE. They serve all people.

Yes, but they have a stance on neutrality in terms of how they deal with countries, unless the darkspawn threat forces them to become involved.

Its as simple as that. Judging from that and the actions of certain Grey Wardens we see, it looks like they're just as involved and adaptable as the Jedi in the Star Wars universe.

However they are limited in their "reach" in terms of what they can and can not do. Also, if you are not going to do anything in terms of what Grey Wardens are, why would I want to play as one? They are not like Jedi, in the sense that there are not very specific skills that must come with a Warden.

[upsettingshorts]

PureMethodActor wrote...
AS IF the Warden's ONLY deal with darkspawn <_<

I'm REALLY tired of seeing people make this statement. As Wynne says to the Warden, the Grey Wardens SERVE. They serve all people.

Its as simple as that. Judging from that and the actions of certain Grey Wardens we see, it looks like they're just as involved and adaptable as the Jedi in the Star Wars universe.

The character of Hawke, as presented, is much more appealing to me than one who is a servant of an organization whose ideology and or methodology is inherently limiting or objectionable.  And I object to quite a bit about the Wardens.  I mean, I don't mind that kind of story, but I'm glad to be getting what appears to be a break from it with Hawke who seems at least so far to be his own man (or her own woman).  

I hate the damn Jedi, too.  Bunch of self-righteous, narrow-minded, short-sighted half-wits who subsitute dogma for reason and platitudes for wisdom.  The Sith aren't any better.   /grumbles about fictional organizations some more

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 novembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Cazlee]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Most epic fantasy has more than one main character, this is because the story of one person is, by necessity, limited in scope.

Take a Song of Ice and Fire, if the *only* viewpoint we got was that of John Snow, how much would we lose in perspective? Or even if it was only Tyron? We'd know nothing about what was happening beyond the wall or what Dynarus was doing.

That's a good point and I have not read Song of Ice and Fire, but generally the characters we follow in different chapters of fantasy novels are tied together somehow maybe at the beginning of the story, or in the middle of the story. Hawke comes along out of nowhere with no relation to the warden. A hero we didn't even hear about.

Modifié par Cazlee, 12 novembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Meltemph]

If you role played your warden story as finished good for you then your warden's story is over. You've stated your opinion so move on. Just as I've stated mine. For other people their character lives on. The 'HEAD WRITER' for the series has hinted that a warden's story wil continue along with Morrigan's. They have hinted at this, not confirmed it. So what part of this aren't you getting? If you have any further discussions on this topic direct them to the head writer not me.

Huh? what are you talking about? My only point was, that I doubt we will be playing as the Warden and you keep responding to me saying that, you seem to be the one getting worked up over me making that point.

[gethslayer7]

you neve rknow personally for da3 i want the warden and hawke with a dialouge wheel and da1 thing

[mitsuiji]

i just want to know if DA will take the same path as Fable 3...

cause on DA:Awakening you can see a dwarf using somenthing like Powder...

and i liked the warden story i would like to continue it if possible.

[nightcobra]

i'm expecting to play through various different characters throughout the DA universe.

da3 could be about an orlesian chevalier, an antivan prince turned assassin, a qunari tal'vashoth, a rivaini buccaneer and etc.