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[Master Shiori]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The assumption that the Warden is limited to - or even interested in - doing Grey Warden things, or that they care what Weisshaupt wants them to do, isn't really a safe one.

If my Warden came back in a Dragon Age game he'd march up to Weisshaupt, tell them they're all a bunch of idiots, say he'd see them in a few decades in the Deep Roads but until then never bother him again.  Then go off and do Human Noble things, or whatever.

Maybe in an ideal world. The truth is that your Warden, as well as mine or any other is owned and controlled by Bioware. And they're not going to come and ask us what we'd like to do.
Did they ask if we'd like to become the Warden-Commander of Ferelden in Awakening? No, they didn't. Despite the fact we had several options of choosing what to do after the final battle, yet everyone ended up in Amaranthine.
Same thing with Witch Hunt. You were set to go after Morrigan whether you wanted to or not.

If Bioware comes up with a good story that involves us playing as our DA:O Warden again, then that is what we'll do. Maybe they won't, but I'd like to think that the fact they refuse to give a clear aswer on that matter speaks volumes.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Wulfram wrote...

The assumption that the Warden is limited to - or even interested in - doing Grey Warden things, or that they care what Weisshaupt wants them to do, isn't really a safe one.

The First Warden has the say over where a warden is stationed.  Read the codex entry about the First Warden, and the discussions in Awakenings tells us this.   Go back over what Mistress Woolsey tells you in Awakenings.  The First Warden is the head of the order and he/she can order you moved to another location if he/she so desires, plays to high command within any organization.  

You are named by the First Warden as the Commander of the Grey in Ferelden per Awakenings.  The HNF that married Alistair was sent even though she is Queen of Ferelden (an example)  Alistair/Anora agreed with sending his/her queen/king or mistress/lover to the Vigil.  For me it's obvious if you married King/Queen the First Warden is trying to isolate you for whatever reason from the ruler of Ferelden.  JMHO. 

Any player and their characters have the possible ending or roleplay ending to any warden's story, or as mentioned several times in this thread to move their warden's and the warden's decisions into the future.  Every time from here forward if you import  you're allowing these possibilities. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 12 novembre 2010 - 10:34 .

[upsettingshorts]

Master Shiori wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
If my Warden came back in a Dragon Age game he'd march up to Weisshaupt, tell them they're all a bunch of idiots, say he'd see them in a few decades in the Deep Roads but until then never bother him again.  Then go off and do Human Noble things, or whatever.

Maybe in an ideal world. The truth is that your Warden, as well as mine or any other is owned and controlled by Bioware. And they're not going to come and ask us what we'd like to do. Did they ask if we'd like to become the
Warden-Commander of Ferelden in Awakening? No, they didn't. Despite the fact we had several options of choosing what to do after the final battle, yet everyone ended up in Amaranthine.Same thing with Witch Hunt. You were set to go after Morrigan whether you wanted to or not.

If Bioware comes up with a good story that involves us playing as our DA:O Warden again, then that is what we'll do. Maybe they won't, but I'd like to think that the fact they refuse to give a clear aswer on that matter speaks volumes.

That's actually reason number one why I'm not interested in playing my Warden again.  I don't want to be a Warden anymore.  The Warden is unlikely to ever not be a Warden.  If that turns out not to be the case, I might change my mind.  I might not. 

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

The First Warden has the say over where a warden is stationed.  Read the codex entry about the First Warden, and the discussions in Awakenings tells us this.

And if I had my ideal way, I'd tell the First Warden to get stuffed and if he has a problem to come and get me.  Then just to cover my bases I'd request asylum from the monarch of Ferelden, who clearly owes me one, and they'd grant it.  Then the Wardens would be messing with an entire kingdom to come after me for insubordination and desertion and likely wouldn't bother.  Then I'd resume doing Human Noble things.  But like Master Shiori pointed out, I doubt any of that would be an option.  I'd be stuck being a Grey Warden again.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 novembre 2010 - 10:33 .

[Melca36]

Cazlee wrote...

Now that DA:O is concluded, will we be able to play our warden ever again? Will we hear about our warden's future activities in DA2 while we play Hawke or is warden's chapter completely over?

We won't see the Warden in DA:2  but I remember a podcast that said seeing our Warden in a future game was not ruled out.

[Cazlee]

Meltemph wrote...

It is not only the Us who might get screwed though.

The Dwarven Paragon that has decided to help his people, the Dalish Warden can decide to return to their clan and work to better his clan, traveling with Sten tot he Qunari homeland and ect. There are so many variations, that to me, the only warden that gets its proper conclusion would be the DR crowd.

The US does not have to be screwed... Flemeth is still a wildcard. She is a powerful being, and given the right motivation, she is probably capable of finding the warden and archdemon souls (and the previous ones) for whatever purpose. We're under the impression that both souls are destroyed, but it is just a theory. The writers left enough wiggle room on the codex to allow for retconning. The other wardens can leave Gorim/Old Keeper/Cousin/Sister/Alistair/Anora, etc. in charge temporarily to go on another adventure before their calling...

[Ortaya Alevli]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The assumption that the Warden is limited to - or even interested in - doing Grey Warden things, or that they care what Weisshaupt wants them to do, isn't really a safe one.

If my Warden came back in a Dragon Age game he'd march up to Weisshaupt, tell them they're all a bunch of idiots, say he'd see them in a few decades in the Deep Roads but until then never bother him again.  Then go off and do Human Noble things, or whatever.

And mine would have to be resurrected.

Maybe begin working for those who brought him back to life, too, much to his companions' dismay. Hm.

Well, the Warden's story doesn't require the Warden to be alive to continue, you know. Anything can happen. And if you opted to proceed with the Dark Ritual, I...suspect it will bear mention in future installations as well.

What I wouldn't want to see is the Warden being "back in the game", embarking on a brand new adventure and such. I mean, if *I* spent years containing the Blight in a single country and then leading the order in the said country, all I would ask for is...retirement, c'mon. Leave me alone for chrissake.

[wildannie]

Aumata wrote...

I'm cool playing as another Warden, I'm personally not cool playing as the same warden from origins.  As someone said, those who pick the sacrifice choice will end up screwed, and the warden is station at Ferelden, unless told to move around by those at the top. Wardens where made to deal with the darkspawn, any thing else is probably political in nature, which means you more than likely the warden is going to find him/her at an odd position as they are going to be either killed or exiled from the land.

I like the idea that Bioware is coming up with, because I can explore Thedas through different set of eyes.

Many did not go the US route and do not feel that the story of the warden was concluded.  Not least because of unnecessarily vague endings....  The US is a minority ending and it is unlikely that it's being an option will be a deciding factor on whether the Warden is taken forward into future games.  It seems to me that the devs have purposefully left the option open for future warden adventures, whether they decide to take that option up in future remains to be seen.

You'd hardly be screwed if the Warden was brought back, you'd just have to start a new character, like in awakenings.

[Brockololly]

In any event, BioWare likely has the telemetry on the most common endings for everyone and all that, so I'd bet that factors in to some extent in how they handle the DR/US going forward.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
If my Warden came back in a Dragon Age game he'd march up to Weisshaupt, tell them they're all a bunch of idiots, say he'd see them in a few decades in the Deep Roads but until then never bother him again.  Then go off and do Human Noble things, or whatever.

Maybe in an ideal world. The truth is that your Warden, as well as mine or any other is owned and controlled by Bioware. And they're not going to come and ask us what we'd like to do. Did they ask if we'd like to become the
Warden-Commander of Ferelden in Awakening? No, they didn't. Despite the fact we had several options of choosing what to do after the final battle, yet everyone ended up in Amaranthine.Same thing with Witch Hunt. You were set to go after Morrigan whether you wanted to or not.

If Bioware comes up with a good story that involves us playing as our DA:O Warden again, then that is what we'll do. Maybe they won't, but I'd like to think that the fact they refuse to give a clear aswer on that matter speaks volumes.

That's actually reason number one why I'm not interested in playing my Warden again.  I don't want to be a Warden anymore.  The Warden is unlikely to ever not be a Warden.  If that turns out not to be the case, I might change my mind.  I might not. 

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

The First Warden has the say over where a warden is stationed.  Read the codex entry about the First Warden, and the discussions in Awakenings tells us this.

And if I had my ideal way, I'd tell the First Warden to get stuffed and if he has a problem to come and get me.  Then just to cover my bases I'd request asylum from the monarch of Ferelden, who clearly owes me one, and they'd grant it.  Then the Wardens would be messing with an entire kingdom to come after me for insubordination and desertion and likely wouldn't bother.  Then I'd resume doing Human Noble things.  But like Master Shiori pointed out, I doubt any of that would be an option.  I'd be stuck being a Grey Warden again.

I did tell the First Warden to get stuffed when my HNF who is queen returned to her husband.  

[upsettingshorts]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

And mine would have to be resurrected.

Maybe begin working for those who brought him back to life, too, much to his companions' dismay. Hm.

What's  the Cerberus-equivalent in Dragon Age?  I think the easy answer is the Templars, but I don't think they work.  

I'm gonna go with the Tevinter Imperium.  That'd be interesting.   They've got the super magic, and our only brief contact with them in Origins was entirely negative...

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 novembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[Meltemph]

So you want Bioware to find a way to force everyone's warden to "continue on", just because your specific story does not feel finished? Maybe, but I doubt that will happen.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

And mine would have to be resurrected.

Maybe begin working for those who brought him back to life, too, much to his companions' dismay. Hm.

What's  the Cerberus-equivalent in Dragon Age?  I think the easy answer is the Templars, but I don't think they work.  

I'm gonna go with the Tevinter Imperium.  That'd be interesting.   They've got the super magic, and our only brief contact with them in Origins was entirely negative...

What if...a Disciple brought you back?

Dun dun dun!

[steelfire_dragon]

My warden committed ritual suicide so yes, so warden's storu is over

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

And mine would have to be resurrected.

Maybe begin working for those who brought him back to life, too, much to his companions' dismay. Hm.

What's  the Cerberus-equivalent in Dragon Age?  I think the easy answer is the Templars, but I don't think they work.  

I'm gonna go with the Tevinter Imperium.  That'd be interesting.   They've got the super magic, and our only brief contact with them in Origins was entirely negative...

What if...a Disciple brought you back?

Dun dun dun!

OOOOOOO, intrigue, I love it. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

I sincerely doubt we're ever going to play as our Warden again, because there are so many different places they can be. I have five completed Origins playthroughs with a few more for the expansion and DLC, and so far they have ended up:



1) Queen of Ferelden, who mysteriously disappeared a couple of years after Awakening.



2) Running off to Antiva looking for Zevran after defeating the Mother.



3) Dead. (Two of them are, in fact.)



4) In the Eluvian with Morrigan.



5) Called back to Weisshaupt by the First Warden.



It would be pretty hard to come up with a story that works as a continuation of any and all of the above. And given that we can't import the decisions of an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden into Awakening while continuing with an Orlesian, I'm not sure how going on with an Orlesian Warden would work either.



Also, what about all those archers and dual-wielding warriors? If my Dalish came back from wherever he and Morrigan ran off to, he'd suddenly forget how to use his bow?

[wildannie]

Meltemph wrote...

So you want Bioware to find a way to force everyone's warden to "continue on", just because your specific story does not feel finished? Maybe, but I doubt that will happen.

As far as I'm aware most of the epilogue slides for living wardens are at least vague, or even explicit that their story was not over.  I've not played WH but there didn't seem to be much closure, only more questions.  
Bioware are not going to 'force' anything, but they have left their options open on this one.  However, I do think it's quite possible that, in the end, they will choose not to go forward with the Wardens story.

[wildannie]

Andrastee wrote...

I sincerely doubt we're ever going to play as our Warden again, because there are so many different places they can be. I have five completed Origins playthroughs with a few more for the expansion and DLC, and so far they have ended up:

1) Queen of Ferelden, who mysteriously disappeared a couple of years after Awakening.

2) Running off to Antiva looking for Zevran after defeating the Mother.

3) Dead. (Two of them are, in fact.)

4) In the Eluvian with Morrigan.

5) Called back to Weisshaupt by the First Warden.

It would be pretty hard to come up with a story that works as a continuation of any and all of the above. And given that we can't import the decisions of an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden into Awakening while continuing with an Orlesian, I'm not sure how going on with an Orlesian Warden would work either.

Also, what about all those archers and dual-wielding warriors? If my Dalish came back from wherever he and Morrigan ran off to, he'd suddenly forget how to use his bow?

looks like four good starting points for an origins like beginning to me... as for the archers/dw warriors... a sore wrist??

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

wildannie wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

So you want Bioware to find a way to force everyone's warden to "continue on", just because your specific story does not feel finished? Maybe, but I doubt that will happen.

As far as I'm aware most of the epilogue slides for living wardens are at least vague, or even explicit that their story was not over.  I've not played WH but there didn't seem to be much closure, only more questions.  
Bioware are not going to 'force' anything, but they have left their options open on this one.  However, I do think it's quite possible that, in the end, they will choose not to go forward with the Wardens story.

They might not bring the warden back but I think the warden's decisions will import to every game into the future and so will Hawke's. 

I do want to see my warden return.  I'm just one in a camp of many.   I would love the opportunity with the new engine to create a whole new face for my warden and make her as sexy as Isabela.   I'm down for that.  Since it's been confirmed that Alistair might appear he will get a maker over too, so why not my warden. 

[L33TDAWG]

What if DA3 takes place in the past to unravel the future?!

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

wildannie wrote...

Andrastee wrote...

I sincerely doubt we're ever going to play as our Warden again, because there are so many different places they can be. I have five completed Origins playthroughs with a few more for the expansion and DLC, and so far they have ended up:

1) Queen of Ferelden, who mysteriously disappeared a couple of years after Awakening.

2) Running off to Antiva looking for Zevran after defeating the Mother.

3) Dead. (Two of them are, in fact.)

4) In the Eluvian with Morrigan.

5) Called back to Weisshaupt by the First Warden.

It would be pretty hard to come up with a story that works as a continuation of any and all of the above. And given that we can't import the decisions of an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden into Awakening while continuing with an Orlesian, I'm not sure how going on with an Orlesian Warden would work either.

Also, what about all those archers and dual-wielding warriors? If my Dalish came back from wherever he and Morrigan ran off to, he'd suddenly forget how to use his bow?

looks like four good starting points for an origins like beginning to me... as for the archers/dw warriors... a sore wrist??

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

L33TDAWG wrote...

What if DA3 takes place in the past to unravel the future?!

I like this idea.  Kudos to you.

[Ortaya Alevli]

L33TDAWG wrote...

What if DA3 takes place in the past to unravel the future?!

Wouldn't bet my money on it. There are the origin stories, and if you mean the continental scale, there are the novels. You'd have to go a little farther in the past, and that would lessen the chances of "unraveling" the future.

[wildannie]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

They might not bring the warden back but I think the warden's decisions will import to every game into the future and so will Hawke's. 

I do want to see my warden return.  I'm just one in a camp of many.   I would love the opportunity with the new engine to create a whole new face for my warden and make her as sexy as Isabela.   I'm down for that.  Since it's been confirmed that Alistair might appear he will get a maker over too, so why not my warden. 

I'm really hoping for a good Zevran cameo as my Wardens tend to end up with him - also the free marches are kind of enroute to antiva. 
Oh, if they did announce the return of the warden (and LI) I'd be shimmie-ing around my flat for at least a week... I know, it's a sad story 

[Master Shiori]

Meltemph wrote...

So you want Bioware to find a way to force everyone's warden to "continue on", just because your specific story does not feel finished? Maybe, but I doubt that will happen.

Who says yours is? You may feel that is so, but ultimately it's up for the writers to decide.

And every game forces you to do something. Either play as a certain character or take part in a certain story. By that logic everything you did in DA:O was "forced" since you couldn't deviate from what the writers had planned.

Witch Hunt did tie together all the various "non US" Wardens, by having Morrigan inform them of Flemeth's plan and the change that is to come. We even know that Flemeth is somehow responsible for the last Blight and that is enough reason for any Grey Warden to get involved in her plans.

US Warden? Gaider said he can bring those back to life if he wanted, so the tools to do so exist lorewise. Would it negate the value of US itself? Depends on ingame explanation and the overall story. I doubt it would be any more forced then Shepards "death" and resurrection in ME2...

[Meltemph]

Who says yours is? You may feel that is so, but ultimately it's up for the writers to decide.

Not what I am meaning by "the story is done" really. I am talking about how I am actually done with the story, as in, interest is not there. Would I still buy the game? Probably, because I like the lore of the game, but new people would be quite alienated if they started with DA2. Only way I see them doing something like that is if DA2 did worse then DAO...



I would be legitimately shocked if they did do what you are talking about. As it stands, to me, it is more wishful thinking, which is fine and all, but I don't wana see it, personally.