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[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

L33TDAWG wrote...

What if DA3 takes place in the past to unravel the future?!

Wouldn't bet my money on it. There are the origin stories, and if you mean the continental scale, there are the novels. You'd have to go a little farther in the past, and that would lessen the chances of "unraveling" the future.

There are still unanswered questions in both books.  If you don't kill the Architect off then his story continues, so this isn't entirely true.   A future character might find him in the deep roads.  The Blights could end or not.  I think Origins can mean the original decisions for future installments can mean your warden's decisions began your Dragon Age tale aka the original origin may mean more than just a character's original background.   Another example is Fiona really Alistair's mother,  did Anora survive the attack on Denerim if you didn't make her queen or marry her to Alistair.  There are to many open ended possibilities, thus the definition roleplay.  If you don't kill Loghain off he is in Orlai somewhere if he did the DR with Morrigan.  The possibilities are endless....  how you want to role play each character?  Just because you RP this way doesn't mean that someone else did the same. 

[Ortaya Alevli]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

L33TDAWG wrote...

What if DA3 takes place in the past to unravel the future?!

Wouldn't bet my money on it. There are the origin stories, and if you mean the continental scale, there are the novels. You'd have to go a little farther in the past, and that would lessen the chances of "unraveling" the future.

There are still unanswered questions in both books.  If you don't kill the Architect off then his story continues, so this isn't entirely true.   A future character might find him in the deep roads.  The Blights could end or not.  I think Origins can mean the original decisions for future installments can mean your warden's decisions began your Dragon Age tale aka the original origin may mean more than just a character's original background.   Another example is Fiona really Alistair's mother,  did Anora survive the attack on Denerim if you didn't make her queen or marry her to Alistair.  There are to many open ended possibilities, thus the definition roleplay.  If you don't kill Loghain off he is in Orlai somewhere if he did the DR with Morrigan.  The possibilities are endless....  how you want to role play each character?  Just because you RP this way doesn't mean that someone else did the same. 

But...but a future character...in a game that takes place in the past...but...

[wildannie]

@meltemph

I don't see why new players would be alienated because I reckon that if they continued with the warden it would be elsewhere and removed from many of the small decisions made in Origins, which are tied up in epilogue slides.

We know that morrigans story is not over and that she is not in DA2 so by your thinking does that fact not similarly alienate new people?

Modifié par wildannie, 12 novembre 2010 - 11:24 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

L33TDAWG wrote...

What if DA3 takes place in the past to unravel the future?!

Wouldn't bet my money on it. There are the origin stories, and if you mean the continental scale, there are the novels. You'd have to go a little farther in the past, and that would lessen the chances of "unraveling" the future.

There are still unanswered questions in both books.  If you don't kill the Architect off then his story continues, so this isn't entirely true.   A future character might find him in the deep roads.  The Blights could end or not.  I think Origins can mean the original decisions for future installments can mean your warden's decisions began your Dragon Age tale aka the original origin may mean more than just a character's original background.   Another example is Fiona really Alistair's mother,  did Anora survive the attack on Denerim if you didn't make her queen or marry her to Alistair.  There are to many open ended possibilities, thus the definition roleplay.  If you don't kill Loghain off he is in Orlai somewhere if he did the DR with Morrigan.  The possibilities are endless....  how you want to role play each character?  Just because you RP this way doesn't mean that someone else did the same. 

But...but a future character...in a game that takes place in the past...but...

Sounds like fun to me, the possibilites are endless, time travel here I come!  Wheeeee!

[Meltemph]

wildannie wrote...
by your thinking does that fact not similarly alienate new people?

Yes it does, but in a much smaller scale.  What you are suggesting would be much more so, I would say.  I mean, what would be the point of continuing on with the warden in 3 if it is not relatable  enough to make any major difference? And why not finish out the warden story?  Why skip him to go back to him, specially when Dragon Age is not about the warden?

[wildannie]

Meltemph wrote...

wildannie wrote...
by your thinking does that fact not similarly alienate new people?

Yes it does, but in a much smaller scale.  What you are suggesting would be much more so, I would say.  I mean, what would be the point of continuing on with the warden in 3 if it is not relatable  enough to make any major difference? And why not finish out the warden story?  Why skip him to go back to him, specially when Dragon Age is not about the warden?

For a new comer I do not see how there is any problem with starting a character in DA3 when some are able to import a character - as happened in ME2. If the game is up to bioware's standard these newcomers are going to be nothing but overjoyed to have found such an amazing game.
If the Morrigan story is important in DA3 those wardens who romanced Morrigan surely HAVE to be important to that story too. Personally I don't have any morrimancers but if I did I would be really really pissed off if that was overlooked...

[Brockololly]

wildannie wrote...
If the Morrigan story is important in DA3 those wardens who romanced Morrigan surely HAVE to be important to that story too. Personally I don't have any morrimancers but if I did I would be really really pissed off if that was overlooked...

From your lips to Gaider, Laidlaw and Darrah's ears....

[Meltemph]

For a new comer I do not see how there is any problem with starting a character in DA3 when some are able to import a character - as happened in ME2.

ME is about the impending doom and Shepard, DA is not about the warden, for me that is a significant enough difference.

If the Morrigan story is important in DA3 those wardens who romanced Morrigan surely HAVE to be important to that story too. Personally I don't have any morrimancers but if I did I would be really really pissed off if that was overlooked...

And it would be very easy to have the warden in the story with Morrigan, that does not mean that the Warden has to be a PC. Also, if they did that, they would be giving the title the idea that Dragon Age is as much about the Warden as it is Thedas. Would seem a bit counter intuitive to what they want to do with the series, no?

[wildannie]

Brockololly wrote...

wildannie wrote...
If the Morrigan story is important in DA3 those wardens who romanced Morrigan surely HAVE to be important to that story too. Personally I don't have any morrimancers but if I did I would be really really pissed off if that was overlooked...

From your lips to Gaider, Laidlaw and Darrah's ears....

And although I've not got morrimancers my Zevmancers want to know what's up with their old pal morrigan too...   ...I will cling onto this hope!

[Brockololly]

Meltemph wrote...
ME is about the impending doom and Shepard, DA is not about the warden, for me that is a significant enough difference.

And yet you can bet your ass there will be ME games after Shep has run his/her course in ME3. The first 3 ME games are about Shep- not all of them.

Meltemph wrote.
Also, if they did that, they would be giving the title the idea that Dragon Age is as much about the Warden as it is Thedas. Would seem a bit counter intuitive to what they want to do with the series, no?

There is no reason you can't have a PC return in a future game should the story call for them to play a role in the events shaping Thedas again. DA is about important events that shape the timeline of Thedas. And its people that are part of those important events. There is no reason that the Warden, especially if they're linked to Morrigan, can't come back on stage and play a role in shaping Thedas again.

[wildannie]

Meltemph wrote...

And it would be very easy to have the warden in the story with Morrigan, that does not mean that the Warden has to be a PC. Also, if they did that, they would be giving the title the idea that Dragon Age is as much about the Warden as it is Thedas. Would seem a bit counter intuitive to what they want to do with the series, no?

I'm not saying Dragon Age is about the warden, it's not.  That doesn't mean that each episode must have a different protagonist.
It's hard to imagine how the hero of Ferelden would not play a pivotal role in a story dealing with what happened to his love, Morrigan. For that matter it's hard to imagine how the slayer of an Archdemon, with or without Morrigan, would sink into obscurity. 

[Aigyl]

Witch Hunt leaves a door ajar for the writers to bring back the Warden if they desire; they either walked into the Eluvian with Morrigan, or looked at Morrigan's 'gift' with some ominous music playing (before cutting off mid-music with the credits... yeah).

Personally, unless the Darkspawn or Taint play a role in a future story I'd rather not pick up the Warden again. I think the only major plot reason to bring back the Warden is Morrigan. And I think Morrigan will be just fine as a stand-alone character. Bringing the Warden back would lead to massive complications without him/her being the player's PC again - a mute NPC would not work well, and the reactions to a voice-acted Warden would make Nerd Rage quiver in terror.

And for DR continuation, I viewed it as the Warden's main role in that (optional) plot being accomplished; performing the Ritual, surviving the Final Battle along with his/her fellow Warden companion, and potentially helping raise the kid themselves. The OGB is part of Morrigan's story, not the Warden's. I am aware people will disagree on this view, and that is why I am now running for the nearest Flame Shelter :innocent:

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

There is no reason you can't have a PC return in a future game should the story call for them to play a role in the events shaping Thedas again. DA is about important events that shape the timeline of Thedas. And its people that are part of those important events. There is no reason that the Warden, especially if they're linked to Morrigan, can't come back on stage and play a role in shaping Thedas again.

Exactly.

Both Warden and HAwke may have their adventures in DA:O and DA2 respectively, but that doesn't mean they stop being a part of Thedas or that their stories need neccesary end there.

They way I see it, Dragon Age is pretty much akin to A Song of Ice and Fire, as you have this one big world and overall story but different characters who all have a part to play. DA:O was about the Warden stopping the Blight. DA2 is about Hawke's rise to power. But both could easily just be a chapter in their respective stories, which may not continue in the sequal but aren't completely done either.

[Angarma]

I believe the Warden returns in Dragon Age 3 to influence events behind the scenes and then is *possibly* killed.
If Bioware are brave enough to battle the crowds of people who do not want their warden fully voiced,
they might be able to give the Origins Warden an active role in DA3 and not just be on the sidelines.

I'd expect that the Warden becomes like Duncan: the mentor, killed off early but teaches the hero vital lessons.
This is my opinion, hardly fact at all, just something I believe could be a logical outcome for our wardens.
Now it would be interesting to see what effect going through the portal with Morrigan has on a male Warden's future.

My two cents.

[Morrigans God son]

WARDEN 2 RETURN FOR DA3! WOOP WOOP.

[DAO - Grey Warden]

Anexity wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm fairly certain Gaider implied that the Warden's story isn't over yet in one of these threads.

He vaguely did.

Well, he refused to confirm that we've seen the last of the Warden in Witch Hunt.


Does that mean he is bound to be back? Who knows. Anything is possible
ta this point. David said that Dragon Age is about stories set in
Thedas, but that doesn't mean that some stories cannot share the same
protagonist.

The only way I see the Warden's story continuing is if they release a surprise expansion. Wasn't something DAO related suppose to come out on Feb 1st? Or did the DA2 announcement get rid of that?

If they are going to change their minds, I think it will be Hawke who's story is continued is DA3 to avoid jumping back and forth between stories.

yes there in unspecified release date, that was on the back of the box of the Awakening......Bioaware sad its a surprise....what kind, will see.....they never explained what that date means

[FedericoV]

Cazlee wrote...

Now that DA:O is concluded, will we be able to play our warden ever again? Will we hear about our warden's future activities in DA2 while we play Hawke or is warden's chapter completely over?

My opinion is that the story of the Warden is over and that he would not be a good choice for a new Player Charachter (voice over or not). It could be very fun to play him in a dedicadet DLC, no more and no less. But I don't see an entire game (or an expansion like Awakening) with him as protagonist. For future games in the franchise, I'm sure that we will hear about him and his past deed, I can imagine a cameo or a brief scene dedicated to him, but not much more.

Modifié par FedericoV, 16 novembre 2010 - 01:06 .

[DAO - Grey Warden]

for now we dont know know if grey warden will ever appear again in dragon age universe...in my opinion he will .....why? because he is too important charachter just to disregard.....and also remember how every game of dragon age ended with telling that the story of your charachter isnt over.

for now we dont even know the story of dragon age 2 .......and who sas that grey warden wont appear in dragon age 2 or just be mentioned.....first, the game spans for 10 YEARS....thats one and two bioware announced cameos of othere charachters like Alistar.......a charachter(Alistar) who is closely tied to your charachters history and third this dragon age from Bioware.....you can expect anything!!!

[Wulfram]

The thing about DA being the story of Thedas is that the Warden has been established as pretty major part of Thedas, who might well be expected to play a part of that story - Amaranthine is closer to Kirkwall than it is to Redcliffe after all, so if major world shaking stuff is going down there then the Warden's absence is something that needs to be explained

[EnforcerGREG]

I personally wouldn't mind if the warden was voiced and we got the chance to updtate their appearance and skills before he/she reapeared. We could be put in the position when both the warden and hawke meet and we could decide both their dialogue when interacting with each other.

[Itkovian]

Yes, the Warden's story is over.

He/She stopped the 5th Blight before it could ravage Thedas (in and of itself a tremendous accomplishment, as all other Blights devastated nations), either through their heroic sacrifice or Alistair's, or more dubious means.

If he/she survived, the Warden went on leading the Ferelden Grey Wardens and/or left to wander the lands, and likely eventually goes for his/her calling in Orzammar's deep roads.

Of course, if the Warden survived past the Archdemon's death, then he/she is likely still alive during DA2, but I imagine we will never meet him/her (and only hear about the Warden's exploits at best, perhaps through one or more of his/her former companion(s)).

One thing is certain, however: saving Thedas from another devastating Blight is the Warden's singlemost important accomplishment, and is the climax of his/her story. The Warden has left his undeniable mark on history, and will forever be hailed as the savior of Thedas. That is a fitting note on which to end his/her story, if you ask me.

Besides, as has already been said, to continue the Warden's story when dying at the end of DAO was a legitimate (and arguably the most heroic) option would be rather unfair to those players who chose to do it (as Awakenings proved... though if you ask me it always seemed that Awakenings was meant to be the Orlaisian Warden's from the start... and either way its accomplishment is a minor triumph compared to DAO's climax).

Thank you.

Itkovian

[Itkovian]

DAO - Grey Warden wrote...

for now we dont know know if grey warden will ever appear again in dragon age universe...in my opinion he will .....why? because he is too important charachter just to disregard.....and also remember how every game of dragon age ended with telling that the story of your charachter isnt over.

Every game? My game ended with heroic finality, thank you.

Now, for those who chose to live on, yes, their lives continue. It continued in Awakenings, and probably even beyond. But that does not mean those stories need to be told, and I would say it is quite the contrary.

Saving Thedas was the Warden's greatest accomplishment, their heroic triumph that has earned him/her a place in the pantheon of Thedas' heroes (especially if there is the heroic sacrifice, of course). Is there truly a need to show the rest of his adventures? Even Awakenings' climax is mundane compared to stopping the Blight.

Given this, and that a large chunk of players can't even enjoy further adventures (especially since it is because they chose the most heroic option), I find it is much more appropriate to leave the Warden be. He saved Thedas, and either died slaying the Archdemon, or lived the rest of his (shorter) life as a Grey Warden of renown. There is no dramatic need to continue his story.

Itkovian

[Itkovian]

Wulfram wrote...

The thing about DA being the story of Thedas is that the Warden has been established as pretty major part of Thedas, who might well be expected to play a part of that story - Amaranthine is closer to Kirkwall than it is to Redcliffe after all, so if major world shaking stuff is going down there then the Warden's absence is something that needs to be explained

Why is that?

The Warden is just that: a Grey Warden. If the events in Kirkwall (which is, after all, outside of Ferelden - and DAO has clearly emphatized the Warden's attachment to Ferelden) have nothing to do with Darkspawn, why would he be involved?

The Warden has his own duties after all, and solving wars in other countries is not one of them.

Itkovian

[EnforcerGREG]

Itkovian wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The thing about DA being the story of Thedas is that the Warden has been established as pretty major part of Thedas, who might well be expected to play a part of that story - Amaranthine is closer to Kirkwall than it is to Redcliffe after all, so if major world shaking stuff is going down there then the Warden's absence is something that needs to be explained

Why is that?

The Warden is just that: a Grey Warden. If the events in Kirkwall (which is, after all, outside of Ferelden - and DAO has clearly emphatized the Warden's attachment to Ferelden) have nothing to do with Darkspawn, why would he be involved?

The Warden has his own duties after all, and solving wars in other countries is not one of them.

Itkovian

yeah but those wardens who took the dark ritual are now responsible for a God child which will almost certanly affect the world.

[Itkovian]

EnforcerGREG wrote...

yeah but those wardens who took the dark ritual are now responsible for a God child which will almost certanly affect the world.

Which does not necessarily mean it is related to DA2, or that it would still involve the Warden. I seriously doubt they would go and make DLC (or an entire game) for the benefit of the subset of players who took the Dark Ritual.

That's not to say they should forget about Morrigan, but I fully expect them to figure out some way to continue her story regardless of whether or not she is carrying a Demon Spawn, that will not directly involve the Warden (or in a secondary role only).

For example, whatever she is planning could lead to a situation that might happen regardless of whether or not she did the Dark Ritual. Perhaps she obtained a source of power elsewhere, somehow, and whatever comes from it is something we might have to resolve as Hawke in DA2. In so doing there could be some branching story/dialogue based on how Morrigan got where she is (for example, if you did the Dark Ritual then the Warden is mentionned as the father, otherwise some other explanation is given).

The point of the matter is that the Warden's story is over. If it's not over, then it becomes content exclusive to players who made the specific choices related to that content (and entirely off-limits for those who did the Ultimate Sacrifice). While the consequences of his choices will persist, it is highly unlikely the Warden will have any direct involvement in any future product beyond more DAO DLC.

But let's face it: DAO offers commiting an ultimate sacrifice as a endgame option, an option that permanently removes the main character from play. And unlike ME2 (where death is possible, if you really screw up, but isn't canon), it is presented as a valid and heroic option that defines the character as a whole.

Given this, you're logically not going to see much content related to that character anymore. And I seriously doubt they would have made DA2 about the Warden, even if they did not go for a fully VOed main character.

Itkovian