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[Saibh]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I think it's an accurate comparison. Ignoring the cartoonishness of Mario games, both have very few personality traits and are from very influential and popular series. Halo benefits from having a better storyline, but how does that make him a better character? 

As a character, Master Chief is not worthy of a number four spot--especially over some of the other contenders. His series may be influential, but his "personality" is just a broad archetype that has existed already for many, many years. He is not an individual with a unique or interesting personality.

Ah, Saibh. I adore our conversations XD and I mean it.
So, what spot does he deserves? I think he's good at number four. Especially considering he's above Niko, Alyx, Kratos...and so on. I'd put Loghain in a higher spot, however, same with The Illusive Man.
But hey. We didn't make that list. And as far as I can see, our lists would be very, very different.

Well, towards the end of the list, other voiceless characters like Wander get included, and the last spot goes to the King of the Cosmos, so...sure, Master Chief could be around...I dunno...25?

I think MC is unique. I mean, you don't control him in ODST and Reach, and you really feel he isn't there.
I insist, he has a personality. I don't know what would you add in order to make him a "better" character. More dialogue? Scenes without the helmet? A speech? Crying? A romantic sub-plot? What?

Well, a personality would be a start. (Zing!)

[Lord_Valandil]

Saibh wrote...
Well, a personality would be a start. (Zing!)

This conversation was doomed from the beginning.

[Khayness]

Wow, so many "too soon" in the top 10.

Well I've never played Halo, and don't planning it very soon, but Master Chief really defined this decade.



Just like the decline of the Roman Empire defined the Dark Ages.

[Lord_Valandil]

Khayness wrote...

Wow, so many "too soon" in the top 10.

Well I've never played Halo, and don't planning it very soon, but Master Chief really defined this decade.



Just like the decline of the Roman Empire defined the Dark Ages.

*Serious face*
You're not funny.

[Khayness]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

*Serious face*
You're not funny.

1. GLaDOS - 2007 is a bit too soon for the 1st place
2. John Marston - what, it's been a few months so far, besides, Clint Eastwood got his character covered
3. Nathan Drake - 2007
5. Niko Bellic - 2008
6. Alyx Vance -  The Gravity Gun defines that game more than her
8. Andrew Ryan - 2007, bit too soon.
9. Loghain Mac Tir - 2009
10. Ezio Auditore de Firenze - Instead of Sam Fisher, bloody shame. Also 2009

[Maverick827]

Master Chief is a odd sort of character, like Link from The Legend of Zelda (and I love that series, so don't think it's an insult when I say this) who despite being the point of view character in a narrative is himself almost entirely flat.

In a game like Red Dead Redemption, John Marston is a character who exists outside of the player; that is to say, the player is simply along for the ride.  Marston has a varied history entirely aside from the window through which the player experiences his life, and he has opinions of his own that the player might disagree with.  For instance, I don't know how many threads were created complaining that you couldn't hook up with a prostitute; "An outlaw who kills hundreds of people wouldn't care about fidelity!"  Well, John Marston does.

Then you have games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age where the character is not flat, but is instead blank, which is an important distinction to make.  The player is asked to fill the character with a certain personality and various characteristics of his or her choosing, but they're still there.  Though the player is defining the character almost entirely, eventually the end product, that finished Shepard or Warden, is a well rounded character in the exact same vein as John Marston.

Master Chief, however, is decidedly none of these things.  Whereas Mass Effect offers the player the opportunity to place within the shell of Commander Shepard a defined character, Halo offers the opportunity to place within Master Chief the player themselves.  Master Chief is not an open book but at the same time he cannot be characterized on the player's own accord.  He (and Mario, Link, etc.) exist in this sort of a narrative limbo.

[Saibh]

Khayness wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

*Serious face*
You're not funny.

1. GLaDOS - 2007 is a bit too soon for the 1st place
2. John Marston - what, it's been a few months so far, besides, Clint Eastwood got his character covered
3. Nathan Drake - 2007
5. Niko Bellic - 2008
6. Alyx Vance -  The Gravity Gun defines that game more than her
8. Andrew Ryan - 2007, bit too soon.
9. Loghain Mac Tir - 2009
10. Ezio Auditore de Firenze - Instead of Sam Fisher, bloody shame. Also 2009

Really, the only way to say something "defined" a decade is to take characters from last decade. I'm pretty sure the intent is "our favorite characters", not that they were influential.

[Khayness]

Saibh wrote...

Really, the only way to say something "defined" a decade is to take characters from last decade. I'm pretty sure the intent is "our favorite characters", not that they were influential.

Well, my definition of "defined" is, what games influenced the other games the most.

Kratos (GoW stolen the hack&slash+QTE archetype pretty much) Master Chief (everyone says Halo opened the door for FPS games to the consoles), GTA3 started the "sandbox-fooling around" game revolution (no thanks to Nico)

I'm missing the SoT/WW/T2T Prince of Persia, Sam Fisher in the TOP 10 very much. And some character from TES:III ("omg, if it's not a sandbox RPG then it sucks, we don't want linear gameplay!").

[Saibh]

Khayness wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Really, the only way to say something "defined" a decade is to take characters from last decade. I'm pretty sure the intent is "our favorite characters", not that they were influential.

Well, my definition of "defined" is, what games influenced the other games the most.

Kratos (GoW stolen the hack&slash+QTE archetype pretty much) Master Chief (everyone says Halo opened the door for FPS games to the consoles), GTA3 started the "sandbox-fooling around" game revolution (no thanks to Nico)

I'm missing the SoT/WW/T2T Prince of Persia, Sam Fisher in the TOP 10 very much. And some character from TES:III ("omg, if it's not a sandbox RPG then it sucks, we don't want linear gameplay!").

In your definition. It wasn't theirs. I'm sure they just picked an ambiguous word that allowed for them to get away with a lot.

[Mecha Tengu]

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why the hell is loghain on this list..

[Khayness]

Saibh wrote...

In your definition. It wasn't theirs. I'm sure they just picked an ambiguous word that allowed for them to get away with a lot.

Oh objectivity, you shall be missed.

I don't know Gears of War, was any of the manly-man, Testosterone Poisoning Danger! marines mentioned in the top 30? Those fellas pretty much defined the cover based shooter category.

[Lord_Valandil]

Khayness wrote...

I don't know Gears of War, was any of the manly-man, Testosterone Poisoning Danger! marines mentioned in the top 30? Those fellas pretty much defined the cover based shooter category.

No, they weren't mentioned.
Also, Leon S. Kennedy was totally ignored, in fact...no Resident Evil character made it to the list. And that's a crime.

[TheMufflon]

Khayness wrote...

Well, my definition of "defined"...

Oh objectivity, you shall be missed.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 14 novembre 2010 - 12:26 .

[Apollo Starflare]

Khayness wrote...

Saibh wrote...

In your definition. It wasn't theirs. I'm sure they just picked an ambiguous word that allowed for them to get away with a lot.

I don't know Gears of War, was any of the manly-man, Testosterone Poisoning Danger! marines mentioned in the top 30? Those fellas pretty much defined the cover based shooter category.

A sad but true fact.

@Lord_V: Surely Leon would be a 90's character as well? I'd have Joanna Dark in my top 30, but I'm a rapid Perfect Dark fanboy. 

[Khayness]

TheMufflon wrote...

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Well.

I'm not a huge fan of Halo, GoW, Gears of War, still, I accept their popular figures as defining characters.

Modifié par Khayness, 14 novembre 2010 - 12:32 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Apollo Starflare wrote...
@Lord_V: Surely Leon would be a 90's character as well? I'd have Joanna Dark in my top 30, but I'm a rapid Perfect Dark fanboy. 

But RE4 was a 2004 title. And it started with the now-common "over-the-shoulder" point of view, for shooters and for survival horror titles, mostly

[A Killing Sound]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...
@Lord_V: Surely Leon would be a 90's character as well? I'd have Joanna Dark in my top 30, but I'm a rapid Perfect Dark fanboy. 

But RE4 was a 2004 title. And it started with the now-common "over-the-shoulder" point of view, for shooters and for survival horror titles, mostly

Totally with you.  Resident Evil 4 was one of the best games of the entire decade.  I'm currently replaying it and realized its still better than most games out this year alone.

[Apollo Starflare]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...
@Lord_V: Surely Leon would be a 90's character as well? I'd have Joanna Dark in my top 30, but I'm a rapid Perfect Dark fanboy. 

But RE4 was a 2004 title. And it started with the now-common "over-the-shoulder" point of view, for shooters and for survival horror titles, mostly

Yeah I think that was the case made with Freeman (and could be applied to a bunch of others as well, Link and Mario included!) - they've all had games released in the past decade but 'started' before that. I havn't read the article so I don't know if there was some rule where they could only be considered if their first game was within said decade or not, but I would presume so given that everyone on that list is from the noughties.

[DukeOfNukes]

I dont think this list was meant to be in any particular order.



I disagree with a lot of the list...if only for the "defined the decade" part.

[Saibh]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

I dont think this list was meant to be in any particular order.

I disagree with a lot of the list...if only for the "defined the decade" part.

No, it's numbered and in a particular order.

[Noir201]

I could pick so many holes with the list, and place so many wonderful chars, that are not so well know, but no point in wasting time, what saddens me, is more people relate with say the Gears of War main char, then chars from Fallout New Vegas Rose of Sharon Cassidy as a example, as games become more hollywood in design, so do the chars, and become throw away tools or after thoughs, while some companys maintain a core char personailty, i do think only a select few will give it's games chars a soul, even Left 4 Dead chars have more soul then any Call of Duty game made.

[Lord_Valandil]

Noir201 wrote...

I could pick so many holes with the list, and place so many wonderful chars, that are not so well know, but no point in wasting time, what saddens me, is more people relate with say the Gears of War main char, then chars from Fallout New Vegas Rose of Sharon Cassidy as a example, as games become more hollywood in design, so do the chars, and become throw away tools or after thoughs, while some companys maintain a core char personailty, i do think only a select few will give it's games chars a soul, even Left 4 Dead chars have more soul then any Call of Duty game made.

Again, that's just your opinion.
Though I agree on the point that not all characters have a soul.

[MrnDvlDg161]

You can't add people from Fallout New Vegas, its a fresh game that hadn't been out long enough to be considered in their list.



Some of the characters did belong their but some of those female selections are quite bogus in my opp. Of all the people to select characters of the decade...they picked Big Boss for Metal Gear? I mean really. Who gave a damn about Big Boss? It should have been Snake.



And you put Teryn Loghain on there but you don't include neither Leliana or Morrigan? I mean c'mon now, those were one of the most best written female characters comming from DA. The picked Commander Shepard --- but then they added The Illusive Man. I'm sorry but I would have rather picked say --- Captain Anderson instead.



Lets see... they went ahead and wasted space with Andrew Ryan of Rapture. I mean you know... yeah...he was part of the story but you know...you had little knowlege of him accept from audio clips in diaries. That to me doesn't exactly put you into the world it self --- its just a plot device. I would have picked Tannenbaum and the sisters than Andrew Ryan...or shared Andrew Ryan's spot with just " Rapture" in general.

[Bruno Helms]

I don't think Master Chief was a blank slate like some people are saying. It's just that what made Halo 1 interesting was the interaction between him and Cortana. Also, he's made more interesting if you've read the books. On another note, I'm sure that just about every Bioware fan can agree the Revan should have made that list. Also, I was under the impression that Fontaine was the guy in the shadows, not Andrew Ryan. Though both were amazing characters.

[ObserverStatus]

Saibh wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Marsden was a great character though. I really enjoyed playing as him. Who was number 1?

I'm still itching to play Red Dead. I keep putting off picking it up. GLaDOS is #1, and I agree with it--Portal is an amazing game, but it would have lacked something without her.

I think they should have thought of a better title for the article besides "Defined A Decade". Maybe "GameInformer's Pick for Best Characters from the Last Decade", since that's essentially what it was.

EDIT: Alright...

1. GLaDOS
2. John Marston
3. Nathan Drake
4. Master Chief (I really disagree with this one--he should at least be further down the list)
5. Niko Bellic
6. Alyx Vance (See, if Gordon doesn't count, why does Master Chief?)
7. Kratos (He is riveting, you just don't understand!)
8. Andrew Ryan
9. Loghain Mac Tir
10. Ezio Auditore de Firenze
11. Ethan Mars
12. Commander Shepard (They even say "his or her"--mostly!)
13. Captain John Prince (Call of Duty, for those curious)
14. Jimmy Hokins
15. HK-47
16. Elena Fisher
17. The Illusive Man
18. Tommy Vercetti
19. The Boss (MGS 3)
20. Tim (Braid, not our TIM).
21. Auron
22. Rasputin "Raz" Aquato
23. Kaim Argonar
24. Jade
25. KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
26. Professor Layton
27. Phoenix Wright
28. Wander
29. Bonnie MacFarlane
30. King of All Cosmos (Really now?)

There. There are also groupings of other characters non-listed in different categories. I can put those down, for those curious.

Modifié par bobobo878, 31 janvier 2011 - 07:24 .