Brockololly wrote...
Well, with ME2, we were told how the PC version was being developed at BioWare right alongside the 360 version and not to worry about it...and yet ME2 on PC is a significantly worse PC game than ME1 which was ported over by Demiurge.
Revan312 wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
Well, with ME2, we were told how the PC version was being developed at BioWare right alongside the 360 version and not to worry about it...and yet ME2 on PC is a significantly worse PC game than ME1 which was ported over by Demiurge.
This ^
ErichHartmann wrote...
Revan312 wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
Well, with ME2, we were told how the PC version was being developed at BioWare right alongside the 360 version and not to worry about it...and yet ME2 on PC is a significantly worse PC game than ME1 which was ported over by Demiurge.
This ^
Simply opinion, no facts to be found.
Modifié par Revan312, 23 novembre 2010 - 10:47 .
So not this. As a game ME1 was badly unbalanced, had relatively clumsy controls, a complete lack of variety and was filled with tedium. Luckily it had a good story and an immersive new world. It would not have stood alone without that story. ME2 as a game was better in every way. Much smoother, much more balanced, controls were better, each different mission was actually a different mission and all the tedious crap had been cut.Revan312 wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
Well, with ME2, we were told how the PC version was being developed at BioWare right alongside the 360 version and not to worry about it...and yet ME2 on PC is a significantly worse PC game than ME1 which was ported over by Demiurge.
This ^
Malanek999 wrote...
So not this. As a game ME1 was badly unbalanced, had relatively clumsy controls, a complete lack of variety and was filled with tedium. Luckily it had a good story and an immersive new world. It would not have stood alone without that story. ME2 as a game was better in every way. Much smoother, much more balanced, controls were better, each different mission was actually a different mission and all the tedious crap had been cut.Revan312 wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
Well, with ME2, we were told how the PC version was being developed at BioWare right alongside the 360 version and not to worry about it...and yet ME2 on PC is a significantly worse PC game than ME1 which was ported over by Demiurge.
This ^
ejoslin wrote...
The deep roads were tolerable because of the makeout sessions between battles. i hope you can still talk while on the road!Upsettingshorts wrote...
Or do you mean talk to them while they're in your party and you're adventuring? I'm not sure about that bit. I don't think I'd mind it too much, when they're out in the world they've got work to do, in hindsight flirting with Morrigan on the road to Lothering next to some bandits and a dead Templar was very silly indeed.
Edit: in truth, i did like being able to chat during long quest lines.
Esbatty wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
The deep roads were tolerable because of the makeout sessions between battles. i hope you can still talk while on the road!Upsettingshorts wrote...
Or do you mean talk to them while they're in your party and you're adventuring? I'm not sure about that bit. I don't think I'd mind it too much, when they're out in the world they've got work to do, in hindsight flirting with Morrigan on the road to Lothering next to some bandits and a dead Templar was very silly indeed.
Edit: in truth, i did like being able to chat during long quest lines.
I wish I coulda done that in The Fade, woulda been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more tolerable.
Revan312 wrote...
ME1 ported by demiurge was much more PC friendly than ME2 which was done in house by Bioware, the keyboard controls pale in comparison to ME1's..
If i remember right, you could activate UI elements simply left-clicking them instead of having to click once to highlight and then click separate OK button. That alone puts ME2 in entirely different bin of half-assed ports with a "wtf" label on it.AlanC9 wrote...
It's been a long time since I played ME1; what was better about the keyboard controls there?
Modifié par tmp7704, 23 novembre 2010 - 11:24 .
AlanC9 wrote...
Revan312 wrote...
ME1 ported by demiurge was much more PC friendly than ME2 which was done in house by Bioware, the keyboard controls pale in comparison to ME1's..
It's been a long time since I played ME1; what was better about the keyboard controls there?
Modifié par Revan312, 23 novembre 2010 - 11:29 .
Revan312 wrote...
While I would disagree completely on your statement, that wasn't what he was talking about in the first place, it was the port quality. ME1 ported by demiurge was much more PC friendly than ME2 which was done in house by Bioware, the keyboard controls pale in comparison to ME1's..
Modifié par Malanek999, 23 novembre 2010 - 11:56 .
scyphozoa wrote...
Shouldn't the abbreviated dialog branches be clear enough to indicate their approach?
Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 novembre 2010 - 11:34 .
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yes, yes there should.
Lists of what? I don't remember needing to scroll at all in ME2.Brockololly wrote...
Plus with ME2 not being able to use the mouse wheel to scroll through lists, which you could do just fine in ME1.
Malanek999 wrote...
OK, just specifically on the controls and the gameplay that was directly influenced by controls.
Things that ME1 did better...
1)
Hotkeys for weapons. ME2 only had switch to previous meaning you would
need to pause an extra 10 to 200 (soldiers more so) times during the
game to switch weapons.
2) Conformed more to standard shooter configuration
Thats about all I can think of.
Things ME2 did better
1) No omni gel
2) Inventory was much smoother
3) Companion abilities can be hotkeyed (saved many more pauses than weapon hot key).
4) Moving into and out of cover was significantly smoother
5) You needed fewer keys
6) Aiming required more skill without the rediculous auto-targetting and had rewards for headshots
Malanek999 wrote...
Lists of what? I don't remember needing to scroll at all in ME2.
Modifié par Revan312, 23 novembre 2010 - 11:40 .
Hey, in KOTOR I was the BAMF Sith ever... soloing was a cake walk. The Fade Sequence required using my brain and remember where mouse holes went and which areas had Massive Doors.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yes, yes there should.
Why? The game is designed around party combat. Restricting to only one character breaks the game. The Fade quest was broken and tedious and the end of KOTOR completely threw out all of hte gameplay rules established in that games previous 35 hours. Its a cheap challenge trick just to through a wrench into your strategy and thus it breaks the strategic aspect of a game.
Esbatty wrote...
Hey, in KOTOR I was the BAMF Sith ever... soloing was a cake walk. The Fade Sequence required using my brain and remember where mouse holes went and which areas had Massive Doors.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yes, yes there should.
Why? The game is designed around party combat. Restricting to only one character breaks the game. The Fade quest was broken and tedious and the end of KOTOR completely threw out all of hte gameplay rules established in that games previous 35 hours. Its a cheap challenge trick just to through a wrench into your strategy and thus it breaks the strategic aspect of a game.
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Plus the Fade quest the puzzle elements were good, but IMO it wasn't as fun as party control.
Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 novembre 2010 - 11:50 .
Every single one of those is related to the control sceme. Which one of those is unrelated to the control scheme?Revan312 wrote...
Malanek999 wrote...
OK, just specifically on the controls and the gameplay that was directly influenced by controls.
Things that ME1 did better...
1)
Hotkeys for weapons. ME2 only had switch to previous meaning you would
need to pause an extra 10 to 200 (soldiers more so) times during the
game to switch weapons.
2) Conformed more to standard shooter configuration
Thats about all I can think of.
Things ME2 did better
1) No omni gel
2) Inventory was much smoother
3) Companion abilities can be hotkeyed (saved many more pauses than weapon hot key).
4) Moving into and out of cover was significantly smoother
5) You needed fewer keys
6) Aiming required more skill without the rediculous auto-targetting and had rewards for headshots
And again your arguing gameplay elements vs control porting.. We're talking control porting
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
I was not a BAMF, I had designed myself as a complement to my party so that final battle in KOTOR took me half an hour of running around in circles as my health regenerated then go in for a couple of swipes then run around so my health regenerated.
At least 30 minutes till I beat him.
Plus the Fade quest the puzzle elements were good, but IMO it wasn't as fun as party control.
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
I was not a BAMF, I had designed myself as a complement to my party so that final battle in KOTOR took me half an hour of running around in circles as my health regenerated then go in for a couple of swipes then run around so my health regenerated.Esbatty wrote...
Hey, in KOTOR I was the BAMF Sith ever... soloing was a cake walk. The Fade Sequence required using my brain and remember where mouse holes went and which areas had Massive Doors.Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Why? The game is designed around party combat. Restricting to only one character breaks the game. The Fade quest was broken and tedious and the end of KOTOR completely threw out all of hte gameplay rules established in that games previous 35 hours. Its a cheap challenge trick just to through a wrench into your strategy and thus it breaks the strategic aspect of a game.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yes, yes there should.
At least 30 minutes till I beat him.
Plus the Fade quest the puzzle elements were good, but IMO it wasn't as fun as party control.
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