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[cyanrabbit]

Link originally posted by "silent Cid" on the other forum:
http://www.pcgamerpodcast.com/?p=275

"SilentCid wrote: Someone on the boards happen to post a PC Gamer UK Podcast which I
thought maybe if I added them on RSS I can listen to other podcasts. I
happen to find the PC Gamer podcast (not the UK one) and went on to
listen to the latest podcast. About 2 mins 30 secs in they were talking
about Dragon Age: Origins, something that caught my ear he started to
talk about it is that there is an exclusive level thats going to be
only available on the PC Gamer disc. I won't go into details and let
you hear the rest of that."

So it's true,

Another annex content specific to a given retailer/bookseller/whatever.

EA is really a sick company, makes me feel sad for Bioware..

what's
next: a free dlc "hat of power" for DAO when buying your delightful
"chocolateChimp cereals".... and if you buy two boxes, you can choose
the color of the hat!! yeah!....

Modifié par cyanrabbit, 26 octobre 2009 - 08:47 .

[MrGOH]

A dev has explained this extra level as something whipped up to showcase the toolset. It's unvoiced and rougher than the official DLC. I'm also pretty sure it will be widely available - I doubt it has any DRM and is likely open to free distribution.

[cyanrabbit]

All right then, I am getting tired of the marketing over the game, which is, let say it, annoying at best.

At least in this case, it appears to be minor, thanks for the info.

Modifié par cyanrabbit, 26 octobre 2009 - 08:55 .

[MadHatt3r]

I'm not sure which is sadder - the fact EA used such cheap bargaining chips - or that companies making these "exclusive" deals actually thought they were getting something in the first place.

[Tinkerb3ll]

 What I find sad are the whiners who think that Bioware is withholding content from the official campaign for extra dollars, and not just creating things in addition to a complete game for optional purchase.


(By the way, if you want to watch the final cinematic that concludes the game you have to pay $5.)

[Syeron]

This is not a new tactic......several rpg games have had levels included on magazine dvd's usually, as already said they are rough , not very interesting & short in content.

I think I will pass on this one & stick to buying the basic game.All these add-ons & "exclusive" items are just hype, to sell the game, everything will be available once the game has been released & we will all be equal within it !!

[Mordaedil]

NWN was a tutorial that retailed for $50!

[Jassper]

And yet a lot of your will pay for the extra content.

As pointed out, EA isn't the first to employ this tatic - and it works, obviously.

The reason it works is because the consumer won't stand up and refuse to pay for it - instead they "gotta have it before someone else gets it" so no matter how pissed off it makes you, most will click the "buy" button. It's human nature to want it all.



In a related thred - people state that they will pay "any price" for good content - really? any price? - What ever happend to a "Fair price"? This does nothing but sper companies like EA to charge bloated prices for DLC simply because they can.



If people aren't carfull, you soon will be paying to post on this site - or any site for that matter, Twitter, Facebook, and getting free information on the net will be a thing of the past.

Get Invloved

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

cyanrabbit wrote...

All right then, I am getting tired of the marketing over the game, which is, let say it, annoying at best.

At least in this case, it appears to be minor, thanks for the info.

And I'm getting tired of tools like you who misinterpret everything and think that EA is trying to screw you over on purpose.

It's a toolset demo.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

MadHatt3r wrote...

I'm not sure which is sadder - the fact EA used such cheap bargaining chips - or that companies making these "exclusive" deals actually thought they were getting something in the first place.

Cheap? How is it cheap, exactly? They put a lot of effort into the toolset, so it makes sense they would release a demo.

The people who actually READ PC magazine are the most likely to want to get involved in making user-made content later. Not the casual gamer who just strolls by the local gameshop and decides to buy this game because it has dragons and blood in it.

[the_one_54321]

cyanrabbit wrote...

Link originally posted by "silent Cid" on the other forum:
http://www.pcgamerpodcast.com/?p=275

"SilentCid wrote: Someone on the boards happen to post a PC Gamer UK Podcast which I
thought maybe if I added them on RSS I can listen to other podcasts. I
happen to find the PC Gamer podcast (not the UK one) and went on to
listen to the latest podcast. About 2 mins 30 secs in they were talking
about Dragon Age: Origins, something that caught my ear he started to
talk about it is that there is an exclusive level thats going to be
only available on the PC Gamer disc. I won't go into details and let
you hear the rest of that."

So it's true,

Another annex content specific to a given retailer/bookseller/whatever.

EA is really a sick company, makes me feel sad for Bioware..

what's
next: a free dlc "hat of power" for DAO when buying your delightful
"chocolateChimp cereals".... and if you buy two boxes, you can choose
the color of the hat!! yeah!....

friend, bioware is computer gaming company. they'd never done console versions for any games before Mass Effect. some of we old fans of bioware are a little disappointed that they are spending time and resources to make a console version at all.

[BoomWav]

Just send money to Bioware and they'll make you your own piece of exclusive content. What's wrong with that?

[cyanrabbit]

Spaghetti_Ninja: Sure I am a tool. If then you may be a sad drone.
Did I misinterpret: all different packages depending of retailer/Dragonage survey items/social network site items, etc, so that they get a maximum of web buzzing around. I would be happy to do that for free, and even a little more with little incentive. but again it is like dolphins, give it one fish he will jump. give him 10 and throw 20 more outside of his pool and he will disorientated and unhappy.

I am not saying EA is screwing over us on purpose, I say that their marketing practices are making me sick, by throwing little bit of their work/content/whatever in every direction for advertisement sake. Company used to pay cash for that, now they use this, I indeed preferred the old ways, they managed their business between them and the advertisers/magazines, period. It goes in the wrong way as of now.
Making more money for your job by any means does not justify every action in any ethical model, making fair money for it justifies it.

As other stated it will not stop, because people even if they feel a little ripped off or disappointed will still buy/use anything as long as they want it. It has been said it is human nature, well maybe, in the most silly consumerist way. I shall also remind EA as any corporate marketing team (I should know I am one of those), than it is also in human nature to go cut heads (metaphorically of course) when you push them a little too far.

Enough said, have a good day, it is 2200 here, hanging up.

Modifié par cyanrabbit, 26 octobre 2009 - 01:59 .

[BoomWav]

Wow. This thread is the undeniable proof that the game really need to get released... NOW.. Seriously.

[lionsfan208]

Jassper wrote...

And yet a lot of your will pay for the extra content.
As pointed out, EA isn't the first to employ this tatic - and it works, obviously.
The reason it works is because the consumer won't stand up and refuse to pay for it - instead they "gotta have it before someone else gets it" so no matter how pissed off it makes you, most will click the "buy" button. It's human nature to want it all.

In a related thred - people state that they will pay "any price" for good content - really? any price? - What ever happend to a "Fair price"? This does nothing but sper companies like EA to charge bloated prices for DLC simply because they can.

Jassper nails it here.  Companies will keep selling DLC and makeing exclusive releases to diffrent companies as long as it is profitable.  If everyone just doesn't buy the DLC or the widget you have to buy to get the DLC it will stop.

You still buy a full game these are just extras.  You are not missing out on the core of what they came is buy not buying it so just avoid it.  I say this knowing that I will buy DLC for this game as long as it adds functionality that I would use.  For example the Wardens Keep.  Yes maybe a place to store loot should have been in the game to start with but it isn't and that wont change.  It also wont change your experiance to not have it.  That being said it is something I am willing to pay for.  So I guess my thought is pay for what you want don't pay for what you don't and they will get the idea.

[Maria Caliban]

cyanrabbit wrote...

... he started totalk about it is that there is an exclusive level thats going to beonly available on the PC Gamer disc. I won't go into details and letyou hear the rest of that."

DLC stands for Downloadable Content. Getting a demo of some sort on a disk is both not DLC and has been standard practice since the CDs became popular.

What's next? Is someone going to complain about the Character Creation demo, which is downloaded and only for the PC?

[Staylost]

the_one_54321 wrote...

friend, bioware is computer gaming company. they'd never done console versions for any games before Mass Effect. some of we old fans of bioware are a little disappointed that they are spending time and resources to make a console version at all.

Best friend forever, you must not really know much about Bioware. You need to get your facts straight.

[cyanrabbit]

I played every bioware game since BG1 and followed closely everyproject since muzyka drives the boat, thanks (jade empire and kotor, anybody, no console really??).
I still do not see where you got your remark about bioware is a computer gaming company, I guess we all know it... the bookseller hint was a pun between magazine/distributors..

Maria. It is not advertised as a demo, but as "an exclusive level". MrGOH was nice enough to correct that and the thread then moved to a more global discussion (I still see this level as a goody in a cereal box, whatever), Will you follow a little damsel or are you too busy policing this forum ;-)..

Anyway as BoomWav said, tensions are rising as we wait for release, Where is my Damn CE!!?

this being said.


LOCKDOWN!!!!!!!!! as the evil piano says

Modifié par cyanrabbit, 26 octobre 2009 - 02:13 .

[SheffSteel]

Obviously we're not upset about people creating content with the toolset and distributing it. That would be... unreasonable.



I hope it isn't that someone may be making money from this content. This is Bioware's own IP - they are the one group that can do whatever they want with the tools (in terms of commercial exploitation) and none of us has any grounds to object.



Still not sure what the problem is, exactly.

[Staylost]

SheffSteel wrote...

Obviously we're not upset about people creating content with the toolset and distributing it. That would be... unreasonable.

I hope it isn't that someone may be making money from this content. This is Bioware's own IP - they are the one group that can do whatever they want with the tools (in terms of commercial exploitation) and none of us has any grounds to object.

Still not sure what the problem is, exactly.

Is there a parrot in the room?

[the_one_54321]

Staylost wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

friend, bioware is computer gaming company. they'd never done console versions for any games before Mass Effect. some of we old fans of bioware are a little disappointed that they are spending time and resources to make a console version at all.

Best friend forever, you must not really know much about Bioware. You need to get your facts straight.

is that so? well, how about enlightening me, oh wise one?

[MightySword]

the_one_54321 wrote...
is that so? well, how about enlightening me, oh wise one?

Someone already said it, it's a preference to Jade Empire, which does feel a lot like Bioware's hombrew project. Plus ... KOTOR counts ?


And wow I almost reported this post. Somehow "Report This Post" read as "Response this Post", need to stop posting in the morning

Modifié par MightySword, 26 octobre 2009 - 02:29 .

[the_one_54321]

yeah, i guess KotOR counts, but that game was another that was PC and only got a port to console. it was structured badly for play on a console, and i wouldnt have wanted to play it that way even if i got the opportunity.



i'd forgotten about jade empire, probably because i've never touched it. but even given that, jade empire got a port to PC because all the usual bioware suspects were clamoring for it. even so, he could have pointed out the small error without also being a [donkey].

[Staylost]

MightySword wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
is that so? well, how about enlightening me, oh wise one?

Someone already said it, it's a preference to Jade Empire, which does feel a lot like Bioware's hombrew project. Plus ... KOTOR counts ?

Which makes it clear that he either isn't an OLD fan of Bioware, or an old FAN of Bioware.

They've made like ten games in all... it isn't that hard to remember.

[the_one_54321]

Staylost wrote...

MightySword wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
is that so? well, how about enlightening me, oh wise one?

Someone already said it, it's a preference to Jade Empire, which does feel a lot like Bioware's hombrew project. Plus ... KOTOR counts ?

Which makes it clear that he either isn't an OLD fan of Bioware, or an old FAN of Bioware.

They've made like ten games in all... it isn't that hard to remember.

like i said. no need to be an [donkey]. and you should get your facts strait. just because you dont recognize me does not mean that i havent been around here for years.