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[wookieeassassin]

It isn't like the Krogan are humans, different species react differently to things. Krogan aren't always nice and reasonable. They evolved in a very harsh environment and get joy in violence. If the genophage only affects fertility then I see Shepard's paragon options in Mordin's loyalty mission as uninformed and judgmental. Shepard isn't thinking about what he would have done if he had had to make the decision.

Modifié par wookieeassassin, 16 novembre 2010 - 06:34 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Her views only change if you paragonize her. If you don't, well, she's still not racist.



Nothing about what she said in ME2 is racist either. She's still an Alliance advocate regardless of whether you paragon her or not, just not as committed a one.

[wookieeassassin]

Yeah Ashley doesn't say anything even questionable in ME2, I'm talking about ME1.

[Flamewielder]

wookieeassassin wrote...

As far as the Krogan are concerned, are you sure it just doesn't make pregnancies not work? I know for certain krogan females aren't birthing full size dead Krogan babies.

I don't necessarily think that having most pregnancies not come to term means that baby Krogan are dying in the womb, at least at any developed stage. It sounds to me like they die around the embryo stage to me, which is technically killing them I suppose.

You are correct, wookie: it is reasonable to believe that most krogan pregnancies result in what could be considered as a early term miscarriage and that embryos only rarely manage to survive the genophage long enough to become a foetus (assuming of course that Krogans are viviparous, something never clarified in the background). Still, a late-term miscarriage or stillbirth, even if it only happens in 1% of failed krogan pregnancies, would have dramatic impact on public perceptions.

Here: www.youtube.com/watch  Mordin says it affects fertility, around 2-3 minutes. That is why I thought what I did. He said the Krogan were adapting to the original genophage and he and his team modified it. I'm assuming they made it fertility based instead of related to offspring viability. Either that or they decided to contradict the codex entry from ME1 (that was ME1 right, I don't remember genophage entry in ME2) because it made it more of a "gray" decision.

Actually, Mordin speaks of "fertility rates" which doesn't necessarily refer strictly to a female's ability to produce eggs/ovae. In a general sense, fertility rates could be expressed as the ration of children vs mothers. The Codex, however, specifically refers to the genophage's ability to terminate the krogan oestrus (like a "morning after" pill). It does nothing to prevent the production of ovum (in which case there would be no pregnancy to interrupt).

But again, this is rather off topic...

Modifié par Flamewielder, 16 novembre 2010 - 08:49 .

[Telemachus78]

wookieeassassin wrote...

 was also quite supportive of wiping out the Rachni race.

Do the Noveria mission with Wrex and Ash and she is the complete opposite by saying she could not live with the extinction of an entire race on her coinscience.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think actually the standards for who wants the council sacrificed and who wants the Rachni dead are different.

Normal Ashley will advocate killing the council but saving the Rachni with Wrex.

I think Normal Kaiden will advocate saving the Council but killing the Rachni with Liara.

Paragon Ashley and Renegade Kaiden will go to the top of the saving and killing the Council lists respectively. I don't know if they are affected in their Rachni decsion at all though.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 17 novembre 2010 - 02:45 .

[PrinceLionheart]

A lot of Ashley's "questionable" dialogue in the first game was more directed about the Council anyway, and ironically enough, a lot of her misgivings ended up being proven true.



It's been said before, but yeah, Ashley isn't a racist or even a Xenophobe. Racism is the belief the inferiority or superiority of a race. Ashley doesn't think humanity is superior. It's not accurate to label her a Xenophobe either because she has no problems working alongside Aliens. As previously stated in this thread, she's willing to argue to save the Rachni under the right circumstances, jumps at the chance to fight alongside the Salarian STGs, hope for the advancement of the Quarians, and even wants to save the council if it means humans dies.



The most accurate way I feel to describe her thought process is "We have to be capable of taking care of ourselves because they might not always be our allies."

[PrinceLionheart]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Paragon Ashley and Renegade Kaiden will go to the top of the saving and killing the Council lists respectively. I don't know if they are affected in their Rachni decsion at all though.

I've had a Paragon!Ashley argue to save the Rachni and Liara of all people argue it might be wiser to kill them.

[wookieeassassin]

Mordin specifically says it affects fertility in his loyalty mission. I'm 99% certain he doesn't say "fertility rates". Even if he did, a fertility rate is still fertility. Offspring viability is how many of them survive after a certain period of time. Fertility is how many are successful.