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[Zulu_DFA]

wookieeassassin wrote...

Yeah I remember seeing something about Hackett not wanting to bring Shepard in one of the shadow broker dossiers, I guess he thinks that Shepard is working with Cerberus for a reason. Shepard does have a good reputation so far..

I guess it's much simpler: Hackett lets Shepard work with Cerberus for a reason.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 novembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[MisterDyslexo]

wookieeassassin wrote...

Yeah I remember seeing something about Hackett not wanting to bring Shepard in one of the shadow broker dossiers, I guess he thinks that Shepard is working with Cerberus for a reason. Shepard does have a good reputation so far..
However, why doesn't the Council send someone after him? Do they think he is ultimately doing it for good or do they give him a free pass since he saved their asses (assuming you save the council, I dont know what happens with an all human council)

On a side note, the whole thing about people not believing in Reapers or Collectors could easily be solved by a suit-mounted camera and audio recorder. I'm surprised Shepard hasn't thought of that yet.

I imagine the Council won't be sending anybody after Shepard anytime soon, for 2 (that come to mind anyways) reasons:

1. Anybody they send after Shepard will come back in a coffin. He/she is the second-most dangerous son-of-a-**** in space"
2. That would spark an intergalactic incident. They're sending it after the first human spectre, a former alliance soldier, and will go behind the back of Anderson/Udina. The last part is relevant on an intergalactic scale only if the original Council is alive, but I can't imagine that Anderson would sit by if a human-council tried to put a knife in Shepard's back.

[wookieeassassin]

I'm pretty sure Cerberus is no longer part of the Alliance. They used to be and went rogue. It clearly says so in codex entries and the wikis. The only way for Cerberus to be part of the Alliance is if high ranking officials contract them to do things they want done that the Alliance can't do. I don't think they are officially part of the Alliance at all though.

[Zulu_DFA]

wookieeassassin wrote...

I'm pretty sure Cerberus is no longer part of the Alliance. They used to be and went rogue. It clearly says so in codex entries and the wikis.

In the Codex it is never said Cerberus has ever been part of the Alliance! Because Codex is an in-game document. And in-game it's not common knowledge. Wiki just goes by Kahoku's ill-informed opinion, like all those in denial (by whom the Wiki is edited, apparently).

wookieeassassin wrote...
The only way for Cerberus to be part of the Alliance is if high ranking officials contract them to do things they want done that the Alliance can't do.

This was how the Alliance always worked with Cerberus. Unofficially. Off the record. And there was zero reason for them to quit this routine.

Adm. Hackett is an Alliance high ranking official...

wookieeassassin wrote...
I don't think they are officially part of the Alliance at all though.

To be "a part of the Alliance", Cerberus doesn't have to be "officially part of the Alliance". That's the nature of all black ops organizations. The governments rely on them as essesntial entities in certain matters, but they aren't on governments' papers.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 novembre 2010 - 11:35 .

[Elite Midget]

Than the Alliance must enjoy staying in the dark when Cerberus abducts children, forces sick kids to merge with a VI, or test Rachnii/Throrian husks on live subjects. At least that way they can deny that they funded such inhumane experiments that would lead to a backlash no political entity could survive.

[MisterDyslexo]

For the record, I think Zula DFA is more Pro-Cerberus and theorizes about it more than the people at Bioware who wrote and continue to write it.

[Count Viceroy]

Zulu is Karpshyn trolling Mark walters story telling using a normal account

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 novembre 2010 - 05:49 .

[Zulu_DFA]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

For the record, I think Zula DFA is more Pro-Cerberus and theorizes about it more than the people at Bioware who wrote and continue to write it.

You know, looking at ME2 I think so myself at times. But then I look back at ME1 and it seems to me that it's all clear as day, who is who in ME universe. ME2 just went with the originally planned story but screwed it up in favor of the "coolness" of the picture you see on screen.

[Zulu_DFA]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Zulu is Karpshyn trolling Mark walters story telling using a normal account

All right, you cracked me. Who's Walters here?

[Dean_the_Young]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

wookieeassassin wrote...

Yeah I remember seeing something about Hackett not wanting to bring Shepard in one of the shadow broker dossiers, I guess he thinks that Shepard is working with Cerberus for a reason. Shepard does have a good reputation so far..
However, why doesn't the Council send someone after him? Do they think he is ultimately doing it for good or do they give him a free pass since he saved their asses (assuming you save the council, I dont know what happens with an all human council)

On a side note, the whole thing about people not believing in Reapers or Collectors could easily be solved by a suit-mounted camera and audio recorder. I'm surprised Shepard hasn't thought of that yet.

I imagine the Council won't be sending anybody after Shepard anytime soon, for 2 (that come to mind anyways) reasons:

1. Anybody they send after Shepard will come back in a coffin. He/she is the second-most dangerous son-of-a-**** in space"

Please. A random Batarian with a grudge can poison Shepard. 'Shepard is invincible' is not a defense.

2. That would spark an intergalactic incident. They're sending it after the first human spectre, a former alliance soldier, and will go behind the back of Anderson/Udina. The last part is relevant on an intergalactic scale only if the original Council is alive, but I can't imagine that Anderson would sit by if a human-council tried to put a knife in Shepard's back.

Back in ME1, they were going to list you as crazy and take away your Spectre status. And the Alliance was going to let them do it.

Even if, if, Anderson opposed it, he can be overruled.

And there are plenty of reasons why he might not oppose it.

[Elite Midget]

Yeah... Andersan trusts you but he hates Cerberus with a burning passion. If he gets evidence that you have truely betrayed the Alliance, as he sees it, for Cerberus he wont oppose a hunt called to bring Shepard in for Trial. Besides, they can deny the allegations and once Shepard is dealt with they can lie and say he died a hero to save face for Humanity.

[Dean_the_Young]

Arresting Shepard may also appear to be the only way to keep Shepard safe: if the rest of the Council, for whatever reasons apply (and regardless of Paragon or Renegade, reasons can be found) think Shepard is increasingly a threat, arresting Shepard keeps him alive and well, rather than having actual Spectres/whoever else try and kill him.

[SimonTheFrog]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Zulu is Karpshyn trolling Mark walters story telling using a normal account

All right, you cracked me. Who's Walters here?

He he he... 

Btw, are we SURE all the crap in ME2 is Walters fault? I mean he was there from the beginning, he knows the universe as good as anyone. I still believe it was management or marketing that came up with the most obnoxious "twists" or story elements...

[Zulu_DFA]

Yes. I believe all the crap comes from "let's make it cool" policy of the executives. Sure, Walters' willingness to make comics is suspicious, but may also not be his own choosing.



As I've said more than once, "killing" Shepard off & stucking him with Cerberus was planned all along back in ME1 days.

[Schneidend]

This isn't D&D. Cerberus isn't the resident "Chaotic Evil" organization, and even if it were, you wouldn't need to be "Chaotic Evil" to join. People join Cerberus because Cerberus is actively working to solve some of humanity's problems.

[wookieeassassin]

I think nobody has brought Shepard in because they, at least Hackett feels like he's doing it for a damn good reason and isn't actually joining Cerberus, just using them for the resources at the time. In the shadow broker DLC there is someone who is asking to bring Shepard in and question him just to be save and Hackett bluntly says: "Request denied." I don't think Anderson or Hackett truly believes he is part of Cerberus now. I still don't know why the Council lets it slide, other than the thing about saving their asses from certain death..

[Googlesaurus]

You're thinking too hard about it. People who work for Cerberus do not have to be xenophobic zealots. Cerberus doesn't even run like a typical terrorist cell.