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[I_Raps]

Torquemada_ wrote...

...where do you find your first Katana.

Fort Log.

C'mon, you knew someone was going to say it. 

[kevL]

Seliph wrote...

What's the Strength check to fire the logbow?

28, i figur

oh c'mon!

(editted for clarity)

Modifié par kevL, 28 novembre 2010 - 08:02 .

[dunniteowl]

Well there goes another potential great Community member, I guess. It's not like folks gave you a really hard time though. Gotta take those sorts of things in stride. You should read some of the stuff that's been leveled at me in the last 5 years. If you change your mind, we'll still love ya.

dunniteowl

[avado]

dunniteowl wrote...

Well there goes another potential great Community member, I guess. It's not like folks gave you a really hard time though. Gotta take those sorts of things in stride. You should read some of the stuff that's been leveled at me in the last 5 years. If you change your mind, we'll still love ya.
dunniteowl

AMEN brother!  The stuff flung towards avado could fill the pacific ocean! 

In all honesty, who cares?  I mean, people sometimes dont like what you write, so?  You make a spelling error and someone picks it up and runs with it so what?  The logbow thing, from what I read, wasnt an insult at all.  It was a creative take on a typo! 

oh well.  For those still here, you cannot ever take a forum post personal!  First, they dont know you at all, just what is wrote.  Second, the context is almost impossible to take.  I have had HEATED discussions with people (and even got booted for asking something) and we still love each other... k, well, like?    k, tolerate!  How's that.  SOmetimes things dont get communicated correctly due to rewrites, etc so people get all bent out of shape. 

My question though is, if a typo sent you off, what would happen if you were to state your "experience" and have it ripped apart by others with different experiences?  I have seen it happen before (and I am not saying this is the case here), but we had a new guy come to the Epic character builders guild and start to "teach" us all his wisdom from having played the OC 5 times.  When some of us attempted to educate him, he got PISSED and stormed away.  He is back now and we are friends, but it happens.  And trust me, it was not about typos but his personal experiences, which we pointed out were maybe a bit not as "epic" as they could have been... yes, we were ego-filled freaks in our yout!

Dont forget, its a GAME! 

[nicethugbert]

Yeowzah! I thought I was over stating the effectiveness of Logbow. Lowbow don't mess around. Logbow plays for keeps!

Modifié par nicethugbert, 29 novembre 2010 - 06:21 .

[kevL]

nicethugbert wrote...

... Logbow plays for keeps!

*snicker*

Look, any one of us could have made that typo. any of us .. but we didn't: it was your *brilliance* that did!

(I'm being more sincere here than some might think. Used to work in the music biz, where these 'accidental moments' were quite common .. and led to anything from uproarious laughter to sheer admiration, from frowns of disgust to what-have-you. And, yes, sometimes you'd hear about it for months or years after)

oh, and if someone can turn the Katana into a dex-based weapon that utilizes class-specific feats or progression, very cool.

[The Fred]

nicethugbert wrote...

Lowbow don't mess around.

I think this is a mistake also... the Lowbow is a type of weapon specially designed to shoot along the ground, to take out the legs of enemy infantry. Though never popular in Britain since it lost out to the Longbow and Logbow, it gained considerable precendence in very flat countries, such as the Maldives and the Netherlands.

[dunniteowl]

Don't forget, the lowbow was also very effective in the Mall Dives as well.

dno

[nicethugbert]

Los Lowbows

"Logbow?!  BWAHAHA, that was a lowbow."

Modifié par nicethugbert, 30 novembre 2010 - 04:23 .

[kevL]

ooo, that was a lowblow ..!



(are we getting close to the truth yet)

[kevL]

*That's the spirit* !

[BigfootNZ]

Ummm Sieben... why so grouchy about the Logbow?.. I only made my comment about it since the visual image of a bow that can fire logs sounds deadly.

No ones making fun of you... well kevL is I guess, but who is he?

Interestingly... my Poll on Katanas seems pretty even so far. Which was a surprise, since I thought there would be a landslide for the Katana

Katanas... are they all that and a packet of crisps?


As an aside If you think you've been harassed for a spelling mistake Sieben, I still believe im the originator of the term 'Teh Keybroad'.. since it appeared soon after I, during a Mirc chat session in a community chat room for a 2D game engine called Verge made that typo more than once or twice in quick succession, a certain indirvidual who didnt like me all that much in the community more or less drummed it home, to the point where he'd say it every time id turn up in chat, or in every thread i posted in... a month or so latter I started seeing it used else where quite a bit on other forums etc... so who knows, you might birth the next short lived internet meme(?)... good thing is i cant even remeber the name of the idiot... started with a T i think.

Modifié par BigfootNZ, 30 novembre 2010 - 11:30 .

[dunniteowl]

And all of us, to one degree or another, are keybroad changelled. I was going to add something else, but that would probably not go over too well, even though I think it's just funny all by itself.



Logbow, the deadliest Medieval weapon ever created.



You never know, Sieben, you could become famous from a mistake, just like Christopher Columbus, Alexander Graham Bell, or that guy who made vulcanized rubber -- was that Goodyear?



It could happen.

dunniteowl

[avado]

Not to pull this back on topic... but I was re-reading the Book of 5 Rings the other day. (if you dont know the book, then this topic has just flown over your head). It is considered by kendoka to be THE text on japanese sword fighting.



Anyway, he used 2 swords (katana and "short sword"), which sort of negates our previous discussion about 2 handed and such. Hoenstly, after reading that book, a "oriental" style character using strategy from that era would be very difficult with nwn engines. I didnt want this to be the answer, but not being of the techy side of things, I cant see a way to satisfy the katana discussion towards any other end than, its a longsword/bastard sword.

[The Fred]

Apparently, katana were traditionally wielded with a short sword (Wakizashi) in the off-hand; together they make up the Samurai's Daisho.

Also, whether katana and longswords/bastard swords or whatever are more or less the same thing or not, the former should be a slashing weapon and the latter a piercing weapon. Arguably, you could make the katana more powerful (e.g. more damage, better crit etc) but make slashing weaker as a whole (as in BG, where I believe different armours gave different AC bonuses - so plate was very good vs slashing etc), which might make better sense (then, you would have more difficulty hitting armoured characters with a katana but do more damage when you do - this would also reflect the fact that in the katana's native environment it thrives wheras it's less effective against armoured soldiers).

Modifié par The Fred, 08 décembre 2010 - 11:39 .

[painofdungeoneternal]

You do realize that samurai armor was very well made armor, not exactly full plate, but it was pretty much putting metal all over your body in a way that could absorb impacts. Probably a bit less AC but also a bit less penalty to dex as well, but then full plate gave pretty full motion too so it might be the exact same. Samurai were not unarmored fighters, their armor just does not look like much, nor did they always wear it. I would say if you tried swinging whatever sword you want at one, you'd have just as much trouble as if you are dealing with full plate trying to hurt the person wearing it.

[dunniteowl]

Plus those masks are damn scary!

dno

(feathers quivering in fearful sight of those crazy masks!)

[Bann Duncan]

avado wrote...

Not to pull this back on topic... but I was re-reading the Book of 5 Rings the other day. (if you dont know the book, then this topic has just flown over your head). It is considered by kendoka to be THE text on japanese sword fighting.

Anyway, he used 2 swords (katana and "short sword"), which sort of negates our previous discussion about 2 handed and such. Hoenstly, after reading that book, a "oriental" style character using strategy from that era would be very difficult with nwn engines. I didnt want this to be the answer, but not being of the techy side of things, I cant see a way to satisfy the katana discussion towards any other end than, its a longsword/bastard sword.

Ehhh speaking as someone who knows people in the Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu (the sword style founded by Miyamoto Musashi that uses Go Rin no Sho as a training guide) I'd say you're simplifying things. Musashi advocated the use of noto (two swords at once) only in a situation where one was, say, surrounded by enemies. In a normal setting, only the daito is used and with both hands.

[avado]

Bann Duncan wrote...
Ehhh speaking as someone who knows people in the Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu (the sword style founded by Miyamoto Musashi that uses Go Rin no Sho as a training guide) I'd say you're simplifying things. Musashi advocated the use of noto (two swords at once) only in a situation where one was, say, surrounded by enemies. In a normal setting, only the daito is used and with both hands.

So you know people that practice a style that was passed on from a man that spent his entire life fighting, not teaching, really?  These are the same friends that hang out with the Easter bunny and santa claus?  LOL  btw, the martial arts are the most abused practice on earth with people claiming a whole bunch of things to show how "credible" their art is.  Just to correct, it is NIto, (NI is 2, no is... NO!). 

Of course I am joking. 

My post was NOT to be definitive.  It was meant to put up a "real" use of the katana that we hadnt considered prior. 

[kamalpoe]

avado wrote...

Not to pull this back on topic... but I was re-reading the Book of 5 Rings the other day. (if you dont know the book, then this topic has just flown over your head). It is considered by kendoka to be THE text on japanese sword fighting.

Anyway, he used 2 swords (katana and "short sword"), which sort of negates our previous discussion about 2 handed and such. Hoenstly, after reading that book, a "oriental" style character using strategy from that era would be very difficult with nwn engines. I didnt want this to be the answer, but not being of the techy side of things, I cant see a way to satisfy the katana discussion towards any other end than, its a longsword/bastard sword.

He used two swords in some fighting, but this was written down because he was about the only person to do so (mostly because he was a complete badarse). Those stories about him hiding in the bushes at one duel and then killing the entire enemy party, and him beating the stuffing out of a guy wielding a real katana when he had a wood sword, that kind of stuff gets written down because nobody was doing it.

[Kaldor Silverwand]

There was a katana in BG2 that justified spending a skill point on it to use it. Divine Fury as I recall. Of course it was magic that made it a great blade.



Regards

[I_Raps]

Kaldor Silverwand wrote...

There was a katana in BG2 that justified spending a skill point on it to use it. Divine Fury as I recall. Of course it was magic that made it a great blade.

Regards

It somehow found its way into the hands of the fire giants of Mt. G--------.

Modifié par I_Raps, 09 décembre 2010 - 01:17 .

[Kaldor Silverwand]

I_Raps wrote...

Kaldor Silverwand wrote...

There was a katana in BG2 that justified spending a skill point on it to use it. Divine Fury as I recall. Of course it was magic that made it a great blade.

Regards

It somehow found its way into the hands of the fire giants of Mt. G--------.

Indeed. But it somehow lacked something. The BG2 blade was superior.  'Nuff said. Spoilers y'know.

Regards