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Axe_Edge

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BigfootNZ wrote...

so who knows, you might birth the next short lived internet meme(?)... 


We all thought "pwned" was very funny.  I still smirk because it was a part of my gaming experience.  I lose my smirk when I hear/read young gamers use the term.  I know they didn't reach this climatic scene in-game.

Sieben, we are laughing with you, not at you.  Can't you let me imagine a storm giant ripping a tree out of the ground, string it with a thick vine or magical rope, then, shoot lightning bolts to further his mayhem?  

"It was terrifying seeing the lighting bolts setting the impromptu logbow's line and bark afire.  A wavering glow was cast upon the front of the giant's determined, unyielding expression.  As the charged bolts rained down, the experienced, battle-weary comrades were forced into a panic by the sickening smell from the hells.  The air, rent with the odor from the grand archer's singed beard and smoldering flesh, was drawn into their lungs....." 

Modifié par Axe_Edge, 09 décembre 2010 - 03:19 .


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Bann Duncan

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avado wrote...

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Ehhh speaking as someone who knows people in the Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu (the sword style founded by Miyamoto Musashi that uses Go Rin no Sho as a training guide) I'd say you're simplifying things. Musashi advocated the use of noto (two swords at once) only in a situation where one was, say, surrounded by enemies. In a normal setting, only the daito is used and with both hands.

So you know people that practice a style that was passed on from a man that spent his entire life fighting, not teaching, really?  These are the same friends that hang out with the Easter bunny and santa claus?  LOL  btw, the martial arts are the most abused practice on earth with people claiming a whole bunch of things to show how "credible" their art is.  Just to correct, it is NIto, (NI is 2, no is... NO!).  Image IPB

Of course I am joking. 

My post was NOT to be definitive.  It was meant to put up a "real" use of the katana that we hadnt considered prior. 


The Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu is not some school founded by some Western so-called "Soke" who was taught by some Japanese on a mountain. It's a recognised koryu school part of the two chief authenticating bodies in Japan. I don't need patronising comments about frauds in the martial arts - I'm well aware of that situation and I can name many such examples.

Musashi spent much of his later life teaching - Yoshikawa's book is more of a collection of folk tales.

Anyway, you might want to take a look at this site, which is maintained by one of the few current menkyo kaiden holders in HNIR. http://hyoho.com/ Also, the entry on the topic on koryu.com is worth looking at http://www.koryu.com/guide/niten.html

I know "ni" is two (it is found in the name of the ryu-ha, "niten" two heavens) - I got a new keyboard and hit o by mistake, which is quite a problem because the term "noto waza" exists in koryu kenjutsu and it is a completely different technique.

Modifié par Bann Duncan, 09 décembre 2010 - 08:51 .


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painofdungeoneternal

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I think a big issue is a lot of is being brought up is preconceptions, and a bit too much picking apart details like logs and how to spell japanese words.



Some see Samurai as the ultimate warrior, others see them right next to the ninja turtles and just a term to describe any japanese noble.



The truth is somewhere between both.



It is also hard to define what a samurai is.



In the west a Knight as we know it likely only really existed for a very short period.



The samurai in contrast have a good 1000 year stretch of history ( little less, but a long time nonetheless ), and most of what they are changed a great deal. When Musashi arrived for example he was someone who just changes history, much like Sun Tzu or Alexander the Great, or Gandhi- Samurai before him were a lot less then those who came after. And yes after him they did fight with dual wielding, and they likely lost that 1.5 times damage bonus you get from doing so. So which 100 year period are you claiming the samurai are from really makes a difference.



Likewise the armor and swords used, which era Samurai are you talking about, there were samurai who had cannons for use on the battle field, really wicked long bows, a monster mace. The did not just use Katanas. The one thing that is always talked about is how well rounded they were, well educated, and artists as well, and capable of dealing with politics and long term strategies. To me this is really more important.



But they also had Samurai who were nothing more than thugs, who had no honor, who were greedy and sneaky and cowardly and incompetant. There were great swords with names which had prayers and took months to make, and there were ones hammered together enmasse and handed to peasants. The samurai is just a term to describe the nobility who served as officers in their armies, much like we use captain and general, and they how great they were really varied, again are we talking about the man raised from birth as a samurai with a blessed sword his great grandfather used, or are we talking about peasant conscripts who just learned they are now samurai.



But regardless of all that, if this is for a game, then i want Musashi, or Samurai Jack, or some of those anime things where you use ki energy to cut your opponents in two. Not because i see this as true, but because it adds things to the game, it is fun and adds style. And if we can get these things working it will actually help fix a lot of issues in the game engine itself which can help the western style melee classes.



A level 10 samurai should be comparable to any other level 10 base class, not better, perhaps worse, and be something which can coexist in Toril, this is already in D&D via Kara Tur, it's just never been done in a way that really works yet.

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Bann Duncan

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painofdungeoneternal,



I don't think avado are getting at the same thing as you are here. As fellow admirers of one of the greatest works of heiho (military strategy) ever written, we are merely discussing it and its writer.



Also, as for samurai - for about four hundred years, samurai meant the military caste. So there were people born into samurai families who did not engage in combat but were, instead, farmers or even bureaucrats (like Tsunemoto Yamamoto, who famously wrote 'Hagakure')

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Heh, I just found this. Apparently, discussions about the Katana were actually banned on the Wizards boards at some point. ;-)

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painofdungeoneternal wrote...
Gandhi- Samurai



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nicethugbert

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Gandhi-Samurai and his Logbow of Doom! Beware!