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[davidshooter]

yorkj86 wrote...

So, if Bioware didn't pull in the number of FPS/TPS fans they were hoping to, and if they simultaneously ticked off dedicated RPG fans who were dissatisfied with ME2's "babby's first RPG" elements, will they try to appeal to both demographics again, in ME3, or appeal to only one, hoping that it will be enough to sell the game well...? 

For the record, I'm the one who introduced that piece of info into the thread and it's just an impression I have.  Whether it is actually true is something I would like to know.

Modifié par davidshooter, 15 novembre 2010 - 07:01 .

[Weskerr]

davidshooter wrote...

I would be very surprised if ME2 cost less to make than ME1. There is a lot more that goes into development expenditures than just time.
Is there no place where sales figures are posted?

I agree. I can only imagine how much they paid Martin Sheen. Must have been in the millions of dollars range.

[Count Viceroy]

That's one of the advantages being part of EA brings. Piles of cash.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 15 novembre 2010 - 07:03 .

[DarthCaine]

davidshooter wrote...

I would be very surprised if ME2 cost less to make than ME1. There is a lot more that goes into development expenditures than just time.

They had to make the engine, the whole universe and all the gameplay stuff. ME2 just expanded on that.

While DAO sold pretty good, it had a very long development time which cost lots of money, so it didn't profit too much. DA2 already has the engine and a much shorter development time, and even if it doesn't reach DAO's sales, it'll still profit much more.

[davidshooter]

DarthCaine wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

I would be very surprised if ME2 cost less to make than ME1. There is a lot more that goes into development expenditures than just time.

They had to make the engine, the whole universe and all the gameplay stuff. ME2 just expanded on that.

Mass Effect uses the Unreal Engine which was originally developed by Epic games for  the game Unreal.  Lots of games have used this engine.  I still don't think ME2 was cheaper to make than ME1 but I haven't seen figures.

Modifié par davidshooter, 15 novembre 2010 - 07:33 .

[DarthCaine]

davidshooter wrote...

Mass Effect uses the Unreal Engine which was originally developed by Epic games for  the game Unreal.  Lots of games have used this engine.

I know that but even so they've modified it much. The Witcher used NWN's engine and look at the difference.

I still don't think ME2 was cheaper to make than ME1 but I haven't seen figures.

Games with shorter development cycles usually are cheaper, which is why DA2 is going that route

Modifié par DarthCaine, 15 novembre 2010 - 07:38 .

[-empTe-]

Well, Bioware/EA got two copies out of me, I originally got ME2 on PC, then a few months ago my PC died and it is unplayable on my laptop so I bought it again on 360. What gets me is that ME2 was released in January and has been $20 for a few months now, that kind of price drop within a year usually isn't a good sign. But then again apparently they sold(shipped?) 2.2 mil on release. I love the game, and while I know ME3 will be given the same type of dedication and attention to detail, I hope it is also given the same amount of resources as previous installments.

[xSTONEYx187x]

Well it didn't make into the "top ten most expensive video game budgets ever" so with sales exceeding 2 million it would have being a huge hit for them. (Assuming its budget was under $45 million, Killzone 2 is No.10 in the list with that reported budget)

So answer to the question is yes.

http://www.digitalba...s-budgets-ever/

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 15 novembre 2010 - 07:54 .

[Sursion]

Mass Effect 2 got over 70 perfect scores, and was an absolute success financially. However, I will be very sad if the franchise pulls EA out of the bankrupt gutter. I've wanted to see them get taken down for ages.



Although, Mass Effect is a good game. EA isn't usually involved in making good games. Maybe, EA will be like 'OMG! We should make good games from now on' and make the world happy.

[-empTe-]

Sursion wrote...

Mass Effect 2 got over 70 perfect scores, and was an absolute success financially. However, I will be very sad if the franchise pulls EA out of the bankrupt gutter. I've wanted to see them get taken down for ages.

Although, Mass Effect is a good game. EA isn't usually involved in making good games. Maybe, EA will be like 'OMG! We should make good games from now on' and make the world happy.

EA isn't so bad anymore, at least they've been trying. Activision is now what EA used to be, and perhaps worse.

[Skilled Seeker]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

Well it didn't make into the "top ten most expensive video game budgets ever" so with sales exceeding 2 million it would have being a huge hit for them. (Assuming its budget was under $45 million, Killzone 2 is No.10 in the list with that reported budget)

So answer to the question is yes.

http://www.digitalba...s-budgets-ever/

That list is a lie. SW:TOR is currently in development and has the most expensive game budget ever. Made by Bioware

[Archereon]

Don't worry about Bioware being cut until KoTOR comes out.  If it fails to unseat WoW though (a very real possibility), it's safe to say Bioware is gone.  Optimistically, EA might sell the company and its IPs to another producer, rather than shutting it down and giving its projects over to a less competent, but cheaper studio, or selling the company but not the IPs.

[davidshooter]

Is there no trade publication that ranks sales in this industry?

[Busomjack]

If The Old Republic cannot defeat WOW, then WOW will officially be invincible.

[Skilled Seeker]

Archereon wrote...

Don't worry about Bioware being cut until KoTOR comes out.  If it fails to unseat WoW though (a very real possibility), it's safe to say Bioware is gone.  Optimistically, EA might sell the company and its IPs to another producer, rather than shutting it down and giving its projects over to a less competent, but cheaper studio, or selling the company but not the IPs.

BS SW:TOR doesn't need to dethrone WoW to be successful. And frankly I don't want the assorted WoW idiots poisoning SW:TOR.

[davidshooter]

This is from back in July but it reinforces my impression. It's a list of the top 10 best selling games from the first half of the year. They make specific mention of the fact that ME2 did not make thetop 10 list despite glowing reviews.



http://xbox360.ign.c.../1107064p1.html

[davidshooter]

This article on CNBC (that appears to be from around the mid point of 2010 as well) has ME2 listed as number 9 on the best sellers list with a total of 1.6 million units sold.

http://www.cnbc.com/...of_2010?slide=3

Modifié par davidshooter, 15 novembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[StarcloudSWG]

"Top Ten" does not equal "Profitable" nor does "Not Top Ten" equal "Unprofitable".

Mass Effect 2 doubtless has and continues to make money for Bioware and Electronic Arts. Voice Acting contracts are generally a couple orders of magnitude, or more, cheaper than full "get in front of the camera" movie contracts.

If EA is losing money on the Mass Effect franchise, it is doubtless using Hollywood Accounting and charging the expense of mass producing money losing games to the profits they're making off of distributing their successful games.

Assuming an average of $45 a copy (averaged between the $70 Collectors Edition and the $40 regular edition as priced at release and assuming one Collectors Edition sold for @ every five regular edition) the 2.2 million copies sold during the first week of release comes to $99,000,000 to Electronic Arts, Bioware, and their distribution channels.
In the first week. And sales have continued.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 15 novembre 2010 - 09:38 .

[Kronner]

Not to mention that digital copies are NOT included in that either. I think that ME2 (PC retail, PC digital, Xbox360) sold more than 3 million copies.

[pacer90]

Personally, I don't think it's a bad thing they don't have huge numbers. Imagine if it started getting the COD treatment? Every half year pushing out some half baked ideas just for the sake of printing money.

[pacer90]

Oh, and for my 2 cents I think TOR is a huge mistake for Bioware. I'm dying to play it but I can't imagine there are too many little kids that are. WoW is too complicated for most, let alone something with decisions.

[Chuvvy]

Busomjack wrote...

Is selling 2.2 million copies enough to turn a profit? This game seems really big budget so I think even with those numbers this game likely lost a profit. It's too bad, I hope they still make Mass Effect 3.

They're making about $50 off of each copy.

[Chuvvy]

pacer90 wrote...

Oh, and for my 2 cents I think TOR is a huge mistake for Bioware. I'm dying to play it but I can't imagine there are too many little kids that are. WoW is too complicated for most, let alone something with decisions.

It's stupid because they're making an MMO. They're going to lose money. Nothing can take down WoW. I see MMOs as more of a gamble than an investment.

[StarcloudSWG]

Making $50 off of every copy... That would be kind of hard to do; Steam is selling the regular edition at $20. I doubt Bioware, EA, or Steam are willing to take losses, so that's the minimum price point for steady sales.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 15 novembre 2010 - 09:38 .