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[SomeKindaEnigma]

Wolfy2449 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Wolfy2249 wrote...
plus i heard something that in me3 it backfires

I heard in ME3 Shepard dies of syphilis.

of turian syphilis*

you missed a word there 

Fixed xD

lol touche sir...

Modifié par SomeKindaEnigma, 15 novembre 2010 - 07:52 .

[Count Viceroy]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Yeah if we can't agree that a fleet of Reapers would tear through the combined
Citadel fleet without breaking a sweat, well, we won't be able to agree on anything.

What? you expect to be able to convince people on the internet? It's hard enough in real life.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 15 novembre 2010 - 07:54 .

[wizardryforever]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If 'soundly defeated' is your description of tearing multiple fleets apart, we need to get a better description system going.

If by "multiple" you mean took down several Alliance ships before being overwhelmed, then yes.  The only Citadel ships that Sovereign destroyed were the ones it rammed through to get to the Citadel tower.  The Geth destroyed the Citadel fleet ships.  Sovereign only fires on the Alliance ships, and is still overwhelmed.  That's pretty soundly defeated in my book.  Also, we don't have any direct evidence that claims Sovereign was only defeated because he possessed Saren.  That's a cop-out answer.  The point was, he was defeated by one fleet of one non-council race.  The Reapers are not "unstoppable" by any means.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

wizardryforever wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If 'soundly defeated' is your description of tearing multiple fleets apart, we need to get a better description system going.

If by "multiple" you mean took down several Alliance ships before being overwhelmed, then yes.  The only Citadel ships that Sovereign destroyed were the ones it rammed through to get to the Citadel tower.  The Geth destroyed the Citadel fleet ships.  Sovereign only fires on the Alliance ships, and is still overwhelmed.  That's pretty soundly defeated in my book.  Also, we don't have any direct evidence that claims Sovereign was only defeated because he possessed Saren.  That's a cop-out answer.  The point was, he was defeated by one fleet of one non-council race.  The Reapers are not "unstoppable" by any means.

A Reaper. One. Fleet of Reapers >>> one reaper.

[-empTe-]

Lets see here... why saving the collector base is a bad idea, well if you want an idea on why saving the base for TIM and Cerberus is a bad idea look no further than what happened on the derelict Reaper, or Project Overlord, seems to me that their methods of R&D always end up as a disaster somehow.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yeah. The Normandy SR-2? Total failure. And don't get me started on EDI. And look at that monstrous failure that was Commander Shepard's 'upgrades.'

[lovgreno]

wizardryforever wrote...

Really, both sides of the argument are based on fear.  For Paragons, it's what the Illusive Man will do with the tech.  For Renegades, it's what the Reapers will do to us if we don't have the tech.  Neither side is pure logic, and I wish people would stop claiming that their side is the only "logical" choice.

Basicaly this. If you want to see things in black and white you can find arguments that says only your side is right. Seeing things from both perspectives however takes some more imagination.

Also there are no right or wrong, black or white, good or evil etc choices in Mass Effect, it's a more complicated story than that.

[Sursion]

My very first playthrough I saved the base. I thought "Well something is better than nothing." Then I had to see TIM's sneaky little smile, and then I had to listen to every single crew member telling me what a bad decision I had made.



But, in real life you can't redo things, so I'm going to be importing that into ME3. I hope we can take The Illusive Man down.

[Nightwriter]

Does anyone wonder if they'll spontaneously combust if they discuss this topic anymore?

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

-empTe- wrote...

Lets see here... why saving the collector base is a bad idea, well if you want an idea on why saving the base for TIM and Cerberus is a bad idea look no further than what happened on the derelict Reaper, or Project Overlord, seems to me that their methods of R&D always end up as a disaster somehow.

Project Overlord doesn't apply in the least. The people on the derelict Reaper were indoctrinated because it was a Reaper. The Collector Base is not a Reaper.

[Dean_the_Young]

Nightwriter wrote...

Does anyone wonder if they'll spontaneously combust if they discuss this topic anymore?

No, but here's to hoping!

[Isaidlunch]

Sursion wrote...

I hope we can take The Illusive Man down.

If Bioware pulls this I WILL spontaneously combust.

Modifié par Kazanth, 15 novembre 2010 - 08:06 .

[wizardryforever]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If 'soundly defeated' is your description of tearing multiple fleets apart, we need to get a better description system going.

If by "multiple" you mean took down several Alliance ships before being overwhelmed, then yes.  The only Citadel ships that Sovereign destroyed were the ones it rammed through to get to the Citadel tower.  The Geth destroyed the Citadel fleet ships.  Sovereign only fires on the Alliance ships, and is still overwhelmed.  That's pretty soundly defeated in my book.  Also, we don't have any direct evidence that claims Sovereign was only defeated because he possessed Saren.  That's a cop-out answer.  The point was, he was defeated by one fleet of one non-council race.  The Reapers are not "unstoppable" by any means.

A Reaper. One. Fleet of Reapers >>> one reaper.

Well, yeah.  I never disputed that, just this notion that we need to do every morally questionable action in the universe to have a shot against the so called "unstoppable" Reapers, when they clearly can be stopped.  Fear, that's what it all comes down to.  "Oh my God, the Reapers are so powerful!  We must do everything we can possibly do to stop them!  Damn the risks!  The future of the galaxy is at stake!"

Pfeh.

If you believe that, then fine, go ahead and save the Collector base.  Likewise if you believe that destroying the base to keep it out of Cerberus' hands really helps at all in the short run, then go ahead and destroy it.  I would love for BOTH decisions to bite you in the ass in ME3.  That's realism for you.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Moiaussi]

There is also the possibility that the Collectors have additional bases out there and could simply re-take it. When the decision was made, there were no troops available to garisson it, and even if there were, it is not a given that they wouldn't suffer the same longer term effects that the teams sent to the reaper 'corpse' suffered. And TIM had plenty of reason to be more diligent where they were concerned too.

[MatronAdena]

Retribution pretty much " In my mind" answered this " though I THINK the book states Shep destroyed it, or it was so torn up it was largely useless save for a few things, I could be remembering wrong"



keep it or destroy it Illusive man Still gets his hands on tech, and uses it to do some pretty nasty things that, shocker, are really really morally questionable.



as long as I can kill his lil N7 assassin goon in ME3 I dont care to much what they do, I just really really want to get rid of Kai.

[Chuvvy]

Because it was on the bottom right hand side of the dialog wheel.

[GracefulChicken]

I just wish someone had told my Shep about the "kill all organics and keep tech intact"-renegade save the base bomb before then. Wouldve really cut down the time in the field killing things. Slap one of those things to a base and come back in 5 minutes and get what you want. But hey, whatever...

[TuringPoint]

*sigh*



It's not bad, it's just Renegade. Certain characters think it's bad too.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

GracefulChicken wrote...

I just wish someone had told my Shep about the "kill all organics and keep tech intact"-renegade save the base bomb before then. Wouldve really cut down the time in the field killing things. Slap one of those things to a base and come back in 5 minutes and get what you want. But hey, whatever...

I think you needed the main controls to set off the pulse bomb thing. Not sure though, haven't finished a ME2 run in a while.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

IIRC in the novel Mass Effect: Retribution there is a line about the base being destroyed, so chances are even if you hand it to TIM there is a possibility of a self-destruct or some moron from a Cerberus team "accidentally" blows the thing up. 

So my paragon Shepard blows the base up, tells TIM off, and then she goes off to help Liara.  

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 15 novembre 2010 - 09:52 .

[Count Viceroy]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

IIRC in the novel Mass Effect: Retribution there is a line about the base being destroyed, so chances are even if you hand it to TIM there is a possibility of a self-destruct code or some moron from a Cerberus team "accidentally" blows the thing up. 
 

From what i remember the book clearly skips around the issue by just calling it salvaged tech, ie it could be either. The only thing the book puts in cannon is that Udina is the councilman, and I believe that was a mistake.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 15 novembre 2010 - 09:53 .

[TuringPoint]

No. Udina becomes councilman because of Anderson resigning to address the Reaper threat.

[Count Viceroy]

*pretty sure* It was mentioned before Anderson did anything of the sort. I really don't want to go digging through the book....

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 15 novembre 2010 - 09:58 .

[Elite Midget]

I look at it like how the Krogan ended up. They were given nukes as Cavemen that ended up bad for everyone. Especially current day Krogan still being punished for the Sins of their Ancestors.



I just don't trust TIM to take the correct precausions with the thing. I also know he will abuse his power, as he has down in the past with his may rogue cells, and I doubt he'll share the wealth persay. Besides, no matter what I did TIM was always prepared for the worse. Such as gathering technology on Horizon, somehow getting a swarm test subject for Mordin, and still gaining something from the Collector Base for the events of Retribution. Which lead to TIM doing exactly what I knew he would do.

[Razorsedge820]

Simple saving the base will give Cerberus and the Illusive man more power, power which they tend to do unethical things with.