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[Aleque]

Hi

This topic is about ultimate sacrifice - killing yourself to save the rest.

I am wondering if it will affect the ending, when I have a relationship with Leliana. I think I heard somewhere, that she will cry at funeral. But is it true?

[Ryzaki]

Is she unhardened or hardened?



Because if she's unhardened she'll do a lot more than cry.

[Aleque]

Eh.. that doesn't make any sense. By unhardened you mean: a rather low influence with her?

[sylvanaerie]

no it means when you do her personal quest let her stay as she is personality wise instead of 'hardening' her to the world. Both options are possible. Unhardened Leliana cries at the PC's funeral, writes one last great masterpiece that is performed once then disappears. From what she says most players assume she commits suicide. It really doesnt' say. She just disappears after saying something about the Maker telling her she would be joining PC soon.

Hardened I am not sure what happens. I think she is affected as well, does her great masterwork and then disappears in Orlais...(Going after old enemies? dunno)

[ejoslin]

Both Leliana and Zevran are noticeably upset at the funeral if you do the ultimate sacrifice when they're in love.  Are there actual tears?  No, but that's a limitation of the engine.  I don't have a picture of Leliana, but here's Zevran.  Lel's just as bad.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 novembre 2010 - 08:17 .

[Bruddajakka]

If she's unhardened it's heavily implied she kills herself.

If Hardened she goes back to resolve things in Orlais.

[Aleque]

Thanks. Now I have good motivation to load and replay.

[Giggles_Manically]

I have seen both endings, where she is both hardened, and unhardened.

Damn makes me feel like a horrible bastard for dying really.

[Aleque]

I am really dissapointed that there was no actual cutscene of her mourning me and playing the ballad. I should have known.

[ejoslin]

You see her, destroyed, at the funeral. You really want more?

Edit; i'm still so traumatized about Zevran at the funeral that either loghain or Alistair are archdemon food if I don't do the DR.  i just can't do that to him!

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 novembre 2010 - 10:45 .

[Aleque]

Sorry, but my expectations were higher.

First time I completed the game, she only adored (and not loved) me. I fixed that problem by breaking up with her, talking to her again and then I got her personal quest (which I completed) so that I could really romance her all the way.

I though that doing that, would add an extra cutscene at the end, because someone mentioned it. But I found out but it merely was a piece of text at the end. It is sufficient for some people, but I was at least hoping to hear the ballad she composed about my character. Sort of, like her song in the camp.


EDIT: I am also in pain over my character. I did all the good possible choises I could. Helped everyone, gave most of my money away to people in need. And I fully supported Alistair.

What do you mean by DR?

Modifié par Aleque, 15 novembre 2010 - 10:51 .

[ejoslin]

Aleque wrote...

Sorry, but my expectations were higher.

First time I completed the game, she only adored (and not loved) me. I fixed that problem by breaking up with her, talking to her again and then I got her personal quest (which I completed) so that I could really romance her all the way.

I though that doing that, would add an extra cutscene at the end, because someone mentioned it. But I found out but it merely was a piece of text at the end. It is sufficient for some people, but I was at least hoping to hear the ballad she composed about my character. Sort of, like her song in the camp.

Ahhhh, what you want is pretty much like people who end up engaged to Zevran want the wedding, people who end up married to Alistair/Anora want the wedding, etc. and they can't have that many cutscenes at the end.  there's actually a thread about that in the DA2 forums.

[Aleque]

ejoslin wrote...

Ahhhh, what you want is pretty much like people who end up engaged to Zevran want the wedding, people who end up married to Alistair/Anora want the wedding, etc. and they can't have that many cutscenes at the end.  there's actually a thread about that in the DA2 forums.

Ok. Well, I have just been waiting for the climax that showed that the one who loved me so much at least sang a song about me. A piece of text to war-music was pretty anticlimax. But hell.. we can always expect more and more. Let's just hope that BioWare learn from their mistakes and improve their future games, which I'm sure they will.


EDIT: here is where I thought that it would be an actual clip of her doing that http://social.biowar.../index/376667/2

Modifié par Aleque, 15 novembre 2010 - 10:57 .

[ejoslin]

Edit; actually, i don't need to list all the LI endings.  let's just say there are more than 10 different ones.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 novembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[Aleque]

You mean the endings which are defined by the text in the end? Because I read that there are "only" 4 different endings.

[Ryzaki]

I think all of the LIs are visibly upset if you do the US.



Not too sure about Morrigan since she just bounces.

[ejoslin]

Aleque wrote...

You mean the endings which are defined by the text in the end? Because I read that there are "only" 4 different endings.

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As far as the love interests go?  there's a lot more than four.

leaving aside the travel/stay in denerim/return to the gray wardens decision, you have quite a few endings, not all referenced in slides, but all in the game to some extent.

male warden marrying Anora.  possibly has leliana or zevran on the side.
Alistair marrying female warden.  possibly for love.  if for political reasons, possibly the warden has Leliana or Zevran on the side.
Warden can be engaged to Zevran (not referenced in a slide, but in game, though hard to get to)
Alistair and Anora marrying, warden staying as mistress
Alistair staying as a gray warden
Alistair dumped the warden because of the landsmeet -- a cutscene of him looking regretful maybe?
leliana leading an expedition of the deep roads/or the sacred ashes/going after marjolaine

Let's not leave out pregnant morrigan/not-pregnant morrigan.

Then you have the US slides:

leliana disappearing/going after old foes
Zevran going after the crows, and taking them over, but never letting anyone close to him again
Alistair quitting the gray wardens (if not king)
Alistair continuing on despite his grief if king

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 novembre 2010 - 11:21 .

[Aleque]

All those possibilities start to confuse me. I'd rather prefer that the game had 2, max 3 rigid outcomes. It takes a lifetime to see every content there is in DA:O only, and just knowing that I have paid for content that I might never see, drives my neurotic little mind to madness.

I have made a topic about this subject http://social.biowar...7/index/5238540

Modifié par Aleque, 16 novembre 2010 - 01:12 .

[ejoslin]

It gives the game so much replayablity. I love all the choices. I would have hated it if the romances were all the same or played the same each game. Alistair's probably has the most variance, but I love all the different choices.

[Quill74Pen]

I disagree with the two or three rigid outcomes thing. Half the fun, to me, of playing the DA games is the fact that there's so much — even little things — that can have an enormous impact on how the world goes on after the archdemon is defeated (whether your character is alive or not).

To limit it in such a fashion as you proposed, Aleque, to me seems like a throwback to the days when programming limitations ensured that was all the player could have: two or three endings, no more. I don't want to go back to those days; I presume a lot of players think along the same lines.

Quill74Pen

[Aleque]

Ok let me try to explain my dilemma.
I have just completed the game as a character that would be defined as lawful good, if this game had allignment system.

The companions I mainly have focused on, were Alistair, Leliana and Wynne. (didn't have so much influence with Wynne, but I needed her healing and she was also good, so I picked her because I was tired of Morrigins whining, based on my good actions)

My main goal was simply to have a full romance with Leliana, become best friends with Alistair, and generally be the best good guy I could ever be, even though it was tempting to make exceptions. But it was a personal challenge. I love being a good guy in games and get love and respect from most people. I find it very rewarding.

Anyway. It was an awesome experience, except few places like the Fade in Mages Tower - that place simply drained my energy.

When I sacrificed myself (final scene), the game kinda died for me. It was good and bad. Good because I got a kick out of it, and it was actually a very sad scene. It was bad because it was wierd playing from scratch, after not having processed the sacrifice part yet. It felt like the real ending.

So, I started another character. This time evil. Or rather.. arrogant/careless. My intention was to drop all the inhibitions from earlier, and just be myself + more, to justify the self-pity I had for my good character, who died. So I played my new char for few days only, and I am already at Fade again... the worst place in whole game imo.

>>> But to get to the point it self:

I would love to fully romance Morrigan, and so far she is very fun, plus I would love to get Sten to know (I like his attitude so far). Also I would like to have Zevran in my group (eventually romance him as well). So? No problem! I have a good combo of classes, who can handle evil actions. Almost perfect. 

What is the problem then? Someone said to me that Alistair and Morrigan in same group are hilarious throughout the game. There goes 1 character slot. Also in my previous topic about Sten, someone suggested to have Wynne with Sten, which gives good conversation combo as well, but guess what.. I already killed Wynne (I have backuped though), because that is what Morrigan wanted. Plus Leliana and Sten so far also seem hilarious together.

To sum it all up >>>

There are so many combinations of characters, of what they say to each other, to me, based on my actions, etc, etc, etc.

My head is exploding.... Sure I could replay the game 5-7 times to get the most out of it, but I already feel that many outcomes of conversations between me and NPC's are the same, even tho I answer them something different, plus replaying the whole Fade level again (zzzz), and I can't play relaxed, because I keep thinking: "Now I have taken a choise 1/50, so what about 49 others? I wonder what they are like" , but I will probably never know, because I don't think I can pull myself together to play it for the third time.

Omg this reply is too long now. I hope someone have made it, reading it so far.. but since you are playing rpg's, I assume you do

Anyway. Maybe I played too much, maybe I need a break, or maybe the game like DA:O is not supposed to be played by neurotic people like me.

Modifié par Aleque, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:18 .

[ejoslin]

You will miss very little content no matter what. You will miss some, of course. I still have yet to play Morrigan's romance to the end. Hmmmm, the one male character i played, i tried romancing Morrigan and Leliana in various ways, and ended up so confused by them I ended up with Zevran. I asked my husband if women really are so confusing, and he said, "Yes."

You may miss small nuances. The only romance that has radical differences is Alistair's, and even his goes along many of the same paths.

Edit; If you want a different feeling game, try playing a female character.  It's still quite similar, but the game just has a completely different feel.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:16 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Playing an elf or a dwarf makes the game a lot more fun than playing as a human.



Playthrough every origin to the end and you will have a blast.

Especially as a DC running into Rica and Mom again.



Plus Bhelen is hilarious when playing a DC, in a sort of akward guy dating your sister way.

[Janni-in-VA]

ejoslin wrote...

Edit; If you want a different feeling game, try playing a female character.  It's still quite similar, but the game just has a completely different feel.

I noticed this when I finally got around to playing a male character.  I almost always play female, unless I have no choice in gender, and so I was surprised at the difference that playing a male character made.

[Aigyl]

@Aleque: If you're worried about missing party banter, there are areas where party banter will always trigger whenever you reload the area, so you can hear most/all of it:

-Redcliffe Village, the bridge by Owen's Smithy
-Circle Tower, just past the big door the templars shut behind you when you first enter
-Dalish Camp, the path where you enter from the main map
-Orzammar, in the Hall of Heroes and the bridge to the Proving Arena
-Denerim, Wade's Shop
-Haven, the small docks in the corner of the map


Plus if you're on the PC you can download the Skip the Fade mod so you're not trudging though the maze for an hour or two before getting back to the Tower. Hope that helps