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[Count Viceroy]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Why couldn't the Salarians use a
Hormone bomb? A virus that lowers the hormones that makes the Krogan
super aggressive and maybe even rid them of the blood rage.

Anything but a damn miscarriage bomb.

It was never meant to be used. It was intended to be a deterent but the Turians said FU and used it anyway.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:31 .

[Elite Midget]

The Turians insisted that the Genophage be used as soon as they discovered it. Thus it isn't fully the Salarians fault since it was never ment to be used. Though what is their fault is reapplying the Genophage instead of seeking different alternatives or actually uplifting the Krogan correctly.

[Count Viceroy]

Elite Midget wrote...

The Turians insisted that the Genophage be used as soon as they discovered it. Thus it isn't fully the Salarians fault since it was never ment to be used. Though what is their fault is reapplying the Genophage instead of seeking different alternatives or actually uplifting the Krogan correctly.

Krogan are still krogan, and after what they've suffered they're even more bitter and hostile. Undoing the genophage now would be even worse.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:34 .

[Elite Midget]

mrsph wrote...

You can be a racist and still disagree with extremist groups. Not saying Ashley is a racist but saying she isn't one because she hates Cerberus and Terra Firma doesn't really hold much water in my eyes.

Kinda hard to be a racist when you hate those organizations 'BECAUSE' they're racist, huh?

[Count Viceroy]

Elite Midget wrote...

mrsph wrote...

You can be a racist and still disagree with extremist groups. Not saying Ashley is a racist but saying she isn't one because she hates Cerberus and Terra Firma doesn't really hold much water in my eyes.

Kinda hard to be a racist when you hate those organizations 'BECAUSE' they're racist, huh?

You could agree with their opinions but disagree with their methods no? 

[Bebbe777]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

mrsph wrote...

You can be a racist and still disagree with extremist groups. Not saying Ashley is a racist but saying she isn't one because she hates Cerberus and Terra Firma doesn't really hold much water in my eyes.

Kinda hard to be a racist when you hate those organizations 'BECAUSE' they're racist, huh?

You could agree with their opinions but disagree with their methods no? 

Well, she doesnt agree with their opinions either. 

[Elite Midget]

Count Viceroy wrote...
Krogan are still krogan, and after they've suffered they're even more bitter and hostile. Undoing the genophage now would be even worse.

Keeping the Genophage the way it is hasen't done anyone any favors either if goodwill was their goal. They could easily modify the Genophage to change  fromjust murdering babies in the womb into preganancy chances if they wanted too. Also, all Krogan aren't the same and they all don't want to wipe out galatic life or conquer it. That's like saying "They're still Islamic" when justifying burning down a village because they might be terrorist.

[Count Viceroy]

Elite Midget wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...
Krogan are still krogan, and after they've suffered they're even more bitter and hostile. Undoing the genophage now would be even worse.

Keeping the Genophage the way it is hasen't done anyone any favors either if goodwill was their goal. They could easily modify the Genophage to change  fromjust murdering babies in the womb into preganancy chances if they wanted too. Also, all Krogan aren't the same and they all don't want to wipe out galatic life or conquer it. That's like saying "They're still Islamic" when justifying burning down a village because they might be terrorist.

There isn't a single non miltirastic krogan in the game. Everyone of them expresses resentment and hostility towards the races that basically neuterered them (who can blame them).

If the salarians suddenly went oh sorry guys we could have fixed this a while ago if we wanted to and hell, you almost did it on your own guys! forced us to tweak it a bit to keep you dangerous people on your knees, We're sorry!

Any and all krogan would go ballistic. And even if they are divided, going back to limitless numbers makes the division irrelevant.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:41 .

[Xilizhra]

Um, no. The krogan are a different species, who do genuinely work differently from most others, thanks to their inherent rage and violent urges. Like the hanar's ability to communicate only in light, its a physiological issue that needs to be addressed.

[General User]

AntiChri5 wrote...

The genophage was definately an act of desperation.

I don't think a council seat would have prevented the krogan attempt at galactic domination. Simply would have made it happen quicker. The problem was the uplifting. It was a short term solution with very long term problems.
The krogan just can't play nice. Because anyone who played nice on Tuchanka died. The krogan birthrate and bloodthirstyness mean that for them war is pretty much a lifestyle. The Krogan needed to be that way, simply to survive on Tuchanka.
Taking a species out of a natural environment and introducing it into one that it cannot fit into is always a mistake, and results in that species either dominating or dying out. The krogan would have expanded as far as they could. It is simply their nature, they can't be blamed for it.
The fault lies with the salarians uplifting them.

One little letter, one world of difference. I almost agree, I only don't think a Council seat would have prevented A krogan attempt at galactic domination. Like I said, the krogan (fairly obviously) are predisposed to violence, nothing anyone does will change that. But that doesn’t mean they should forced into a role another people has chosen for them.  
 
Humans and krogan are very different species, so take this for what it’s worth, but the krogan didn’t invade, the rebelled. Humans generally rebel not just when they disagree en masse with a government decision, but when they feel they have no say in how they are governed in the first place.
 
So, yeah, even if the krogan had a seat on the Council directly following the Rachni Wars, there still would probably have been a “Krogan Conflict” of some sort, but instead of “all krogan vs. all others” it is much more likely to be “certain krogan factions vs. all others, including other krogan factions.” A war far less likely to have such a, ahem, “sweeping” outcome.
 
 
Here are two things I’m thinking about:
 
The turians got their seat on the Council for beating the krogan, but the krogan didn’t get a seat for beating the rachni. What’s that all about?
 
 
If the whole business really was the salarians fault for uplifting the krogan, why weren’t the salarians punished? Loss of planets, loss of Council seat, that sort of thing.

[Count Viceroy]

Curing the 'phage would cause the same cirumstances that brought it on in the first place. The krogansexpand rapidly due to their growth and when they grow they need room, last time they expanded ontop of other races colonies and were punished for it. This time wouldn't be any different. The same colonies are still occupied. The same rage and genetics are still present, only this time there's also the vengeace fueled from the genophage dricing them as well. I'd say it would be much worse this time around.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:45 .

[Elite Midget]

Ummm... Wrex isn't militeristic. He's advocateing peace and a breeding time instead of killing each other all the time. Not to mention there's the Krogan guard who lusts not for battle but to be a good father. Than there's the passive Krogan Scout who doesn't fight because he's smaller thanthe rest and dismays over the fact that he might never find a mate or have a child.



The Salarians don't have to tell them about their hand in the Genophage. They could instead state that they are 'working on a cure' or an 'alternative' if the Krogan are willing to adapt to Galactic Society. With Wrex running around there's hope that many Krogan would be willing to take that chance if it means they might get cured or atleast their babies stop coming out dead. After all, killing each other hasen't made the Genophage any better.

[Xilizhra]

Humans and krogan are very different species, so take this for what it’s worth, but the krogan didn’t invade, the rebelled. Humans generally rebel not just when they disagree en masse with a government decision, but when they feel they have no say in how they are governed in the first place.

The krogan did invade, when they tried to "colonize" already inhabited worlds. Calling it a rebellion is giving them a bit too much credit.

The turians got their seat on the Council for beating the krogan, but the krogan didn’t get a seat for beating the rachni. What’s that all about?

Possibly because the krogan weren't even interested?

The turians got their seat on the Council for beating the krogan, but the krogan didn’t get a seat for beating the rachni. What’s that all about?

They also fixed their own mess, unlike, say, the quarians.

[InHarmsWay]

Count Viceroy wrote...

There isn't a single non miltirastic krogan in the game. Everyone of them expresses resentment and hostility towards the races that basically neuterered them (who can blame them).

I give you this:

The most polite Krogan in the galaxy

Krogan Poetry

[Xilizhra]

The most polite Krogan in the galaxy

You do know that he's an enforcer for a crime boss, yes?

[Count Viceroy]

Elite Midget wrote...

Ummm... Wrex isn't militeristic. He's advocateing peace and a breeding time instead of killing each other all the time. Not to mention there's the Krogan guard who lusts not for battle but to be a good father. Than there's the passive Krogan Scout who doesn't fight because he's smaller thanthe rest and dismays over the fact that he might never find a mate or have a child.
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Yes wrex , everyones little favourite. Yes he's different, but he's also a minority. He just happens to have power on one planet, for the time being. As the mechanic of his clan said, he's the one with an idea at the moment. If it works it works, if it doesn't someone else will take his place. Wrex might be different but his actions does certainly not speak for the krogan race as a whole.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:48 .

[Elite Midget]

Yet the Council Races didn't try to help the Krogan adapt to Galactic Society after they rapidly uplifted them as vanguard against the Rachnii and they didn't try to help the Krogan adapt to Galactic Society after the Genophage. Nor after the Second Genophage either.

[Count Viceroy]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

There isn't a single non miltirastic krogan in the game. Everyone of them expresses resentment and hostility towards the races that basically neuterered them (who can blame them).

I give you this:

The most polite Krogan in the galaxy

Krogan Poetry

Fair enough, the poetry I can buy. First one, no so much

[Bebbe777]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Ummm... Wrex isn't militeristic. He's advocateing peace and a breeding time instead of killing each other all the time. Not to mention there's the Krogan guard who lusts not for battle but to be a good father. Than there's the passive Krogan Scout who doesn't fight because he's smaller thanthe rest and dismays over the fact that he might never find a mate or have a child.
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Yes wrex , everyones little favourite. Yes he's different, but he's also a minority. He just happens to have power on one planet, for the time being. As the mechanic of his clan said, he's the one with an idea at the moment. If it works it works, if it doesn't someone else will take his place. Wrex might be different but his actions does certainly not speak for the krogan race as a whole.

But he is uniting the clans and with Grunt at his side he may very well succeed. RIght now he is the leader of the strongest clan and he is directing all focus on breeding, non-violent research and diplomacy. 

[Count Viceroy]

Elite Midget wrote...

Yet the Council Races didn't try to help the Krogan adapt to Galactic Society after they rapidly uplifted them as vanguard against the Rachnii and they didn't try to help the Krogan adapt to Galactic Society after the Genophage. Nor after the Second Genophage either.

Indeed. They used the krogan to clean up their own rachni mess. The krogan is entierly their fault. But the genophage was a necessary step to prevent a huge problem from becoming an unsolvable problem, self inflicted or not.

[Elite Midget]

Yeah, don't forget that the Female Krogan Clans, that can birth live young, have also sided with Wrex as well. That makes his ambition all the more likely to succeed. Being backed by Shepard is also a huge plus as well.

[Count Viceroy]

Bebbe777 wrote...

But he is uniting the clans and with Grunt at his side he may very well succeed. RIght now he is the leader of the strongest clan and he is directing all focus on breeding, non-violent research and diplomacy. 

What happens when all the krogan elsewhere that he doesn't control decide they want more living space? Krogan aggression isn't a choice, it's a matter of genetics. Unless the salarians can somehow fix the inherit aggression of the krogan, they will forever be a threat. Krogan are tribal, and while he has the numbers now, if the 'phage was cured the numbers of opposite krogan would be equal.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 novembre 2010 - 02:53 .