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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Zjarcal wrote...

Those characters sound very similar to my City Elf, but keep in mind that I had Natural Bodies installed, so it WAS a horrifying sight! 

Ok....yeah...now THAT would justify a horrified reaction from the DN......though my blood mage, who is an extreme sexual freak and pervert would have found it disturbingly arousing.....

That would've been a good choice for the line. One can imagine that the line is different (which is the advantage of a silent PC), but it's still annoying for me. My HN goes for the pyre option, and even in her case she wouldn't say "because he's of royal blood", she just does it out of respect.

My blood mage also lights the pyre but only after initially suggesting to leave him to the wolves and then telling Alistair (after he protests) to light his pyre if it's so important. My Dalish left him to the wolves thinking that it was the most fitting way to return to the body to the earth. My CE also left him to the wolves but she did mostly so that the wolves would shred that horrifying sight to pieces.

My DN and blood mage both also left him to the wolves... my DN did it because it seemed fitting, at least the wolves will get a meal out of an otherwise worthless king...my blood mage being a more au natureal person felt the same way.

Edit to add: it was not my DN, but my DC, who built a pyre in observance with human custom.

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 16 novembre 2010 - 07:13 .

[bleetman]

Zjarcal wrote...

Those characters sound very similar to my City Elf, but keep in mind that I had Natural Bodies installed, so it WAS a horrifying sight! 

At least we know he died happy.

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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

bleetman wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Those characters sound very similar to my City Elf, but keep in mind that I had Natural Bodies installed, so it WAS a horrifying sight! 

At least we know he died happy.

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It was a GLORIOUS death, just like in all the tales!

[Itkovian]

Personally I liked it, but I admit I only experienced it from one specific POV, that connected well with the way Cailan and all that was presented (my PC respected him, had Alistair with him, and so forth).

I agree that even then, something about Duncan and his weapons from Alistair would have been very appropriate, but I was able to suspend disbelief about his silence.

That said, having read what is said about Loghain in that DLC on the wiki, I do have to call BS on it. It takes a very simple (in the worst sense of the word) tactical sense to think retreating was the only option.

The battle was not a "Complete Victory" vs "Total Annihilation" situation. Only Loghain's betrayal turned it into a "Total Annihilation"... and even then there were survivors (if very few). Battles rarely if ever end in "Totla Annihilation", and had Loghain attacked there certainly could have been a tactical retreat and the King could definitely have been saved.

Then, when you consider the civil war that DID occur due to Loghain's betrayal, that would have been completely avoided had he attacked and saved the King (heck, if he'd attacked and Cailan still died, Ferelden would STILL be in better shape - there would still have been a tactical retreat, and there would have been no civil war tearing Ferelden apart).

Add to that that Cailan actually WANTED to get reinforcements from Orlais, and it becomes clear that Loghain did not betray Cailan because he was being reckless. It is pretty clear that it is his collaboration with Orlais that sparked Loghain's betrayal, and he was willing to do anything to prevent it (including plunging his country in civil war, framing innocents, poisoning his rivals, permit slavery, support other fellow traitors (like Howe)).

That's not to say he did not have Ferelden's interests at heart. I think it is clear that he believed letting Orlaisian troops march into Ferelden to be beyond the pale and the precursor to an Orlaisian invasion (though, given the letters between the Empress and Cailan, likely unfounded). But he certainly did not betray Cailan due to purely tactical considerations with the battle of Ostagar.

Thank you.

Itkovian

[Giggles_Manically]

And here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Melca36]

My HNF is saddened to see Cailan's body. He was kind to her when he met her. He promised her justice for what Howe did. Its only right she looks sad.

[Zjarcal]

Melca36 wrote...

My HNF is saddened to see Cailan's body. He was kind to her when he met her. He promised her justice for what Howe did. Its only right she looks sad.

Not arguing with this, but it still doesn't apply to all characters.

[Giggles_Manically]

True my evil mage was amused.

My DN was apathetic.

My DEF who hated humans thought he got what he deserved.



My DC Bob was trying to find the abstract meaning to this new form of darkspawn art.

[Zjarcal]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

True my evil mage was amused.
My DN was apathetic.
My DEF who hated humans thought he got what he deserved.

My DC Bob was trying to find the abstract meaning to this new form of darkspawn art.

Bob wins.

[naledgeborn]

At first I thought Cailan was idiot. I mean if my theory holds true he's still an Idiot because the Warden does what he wanted to do with more style but still... He doesn't get credit for recognizing the subtleties in Loghain's behavior and continuing press forward anyway. I think that's what RtO was about. Whether he did it for glory or to save Lothering and the rest of his kingdom is up to speculation. I think it was both. He wanted to be Maric 2.0 and to save his people in southern Fereldan. Loghain probably miscalculated the Blight or he was being too pragmatic for Cailan's tastes and wanted to sacrifice the south for a more the decisive victory later. I think Cailan was a good dude, so good that it got him killed.

[Gilsa]

Corker wrote...

I think the 'risen ogre lolwut?' face the normally expressionless Warden makes is worth the price of the DLC. But that's about the best thing in it, aside from the shiny loot.
I'm of two minds on the Duncan gear. The 'I wish I had something of his' Alistair dialogue is keyed to the shield gift; while it might have been possible to also key it to Duncan's sword or dagger, I can see where that might not be simple and could introduce bugs. The answer would be to not include Duncan's gear as loot, though, and clearly someone thought that was too cool not to do. And... it is kind of cool, except for the way it clashes with that dialogue.

Your comments reminded me of this funny comic (don't know if you have seen it before):


DAO: Arranging the Inventory by SoniaCarreas

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Zjarcal wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

True my evil mage was amused.
My DN was apathetic.
My DEF who hated humans thought he got what he deserved.

My DC Bob was trying to find the abstract meaning to this new form of darkspawn art.

Bob wins.

Bob IS win.

[Giggles_Manically]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

True my evil mage was amused.
My DN was apathetic.
My DEF who hated humans thought he got what he deserved.

My DC Bob was trying to find the abstract meaning to this new form of darkspawn art.

Bob wins.

Bob IS win.

To be exact Bob creates win.
He is in fact made of Winium, its a rare metal thats awesome and smells like .. victory



Shameless self promotion!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

To be exact Bob creates win.
He is in fact made of Winium, its a rare metal thats awesome and smells like .. victory



Shameless self promotion!

I am going to bed tonight and will dream obscenes involving Bob, Ruck, and the Poet-Tree in the Brecellian  Forest.:wub::wub:

[Giggles_Manically]

@Skadi











You make Bob sad.

[Mnemnosyne]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Exactly. MY DN did it simply because she learned that's what ALL humans do with their dead. My canon mage did it because it seemed the most sanitary way of disposing of a potentially corrupted corpse, as well as preventing future ressurection spells.

Royal blood had nothing to do with it. What the option should have been was: Let us build him a pyre and continue onward" or something.

Not unless you also build a pyre for every single dead human you come across.  The act of doing so is, in itself, recognizing that Cailan is special and because of his status deserves a treatment you are not giving to every other dead person you happen to come across.

[Bruddajakka]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

@Skadi





You make Bob sad.

I thought Bob was made of Lyrium? 

[Giggles_Manically]

Didnt you know my friend?

Around Skadi the rules of the universe begin to twist.

[Bruddajakka]

Heh...though that's actually got me wondering why the Chantry doesn't actively try to recruit more Surface Dwarves to be Templar's. You figure the built in Magic resistance would be handy in that line of work.

[Zjarcal]

Koyasha wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Exactly. MY DN did it simply because she learned that's what ALL humans do with their dead. My canon mage did it because it seemed the most sanitary way of disposing of a potentially corrupted corpse, as well as preventing future ressurection spells.

Royal blood had nothing to do with it. What the option should have been was: Let us build him a pyre and continue onward" or something.

Not unless you also build a pyre for every single dead human you come across.  The act of doing so is, in itself, recognizing that Cailan is special and because of his status deserves a treatment you are not giving to every other dead person you happen to come across.

The game doesn't give you an option to build a pyre for every single dead person you come across. If the option was available, my characters might have felt inclined to build a pyre for some of them. If Duncan's corpse was at Ostagar for instance, I would've liked the option to build him a pyre (since most of my characters actually respected Duncan).

While some people may feel that a king deserves a better treatment than "normal" people, I don't, which is why that line bothers me so much.

[Mnemnosyne]

But that's the thing - the game gives you the option to either do something special for him, or treat him like any of the other dozens of dead people you run across, by leaving him like you leave everyone else. If you choose to build a pyre, you're doing something special for him because of who he is. Hell, even bothering to cut him down and throw him to the wolves is still doing more for him than you have the option to do for others, such as the soldiers hanging from the log when you go into the Korcari Wilds.

[ddv.rsa]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Heh...though that's actually got me wondering why the Chantry doesn't actively try to recruit more Surface Dwarves to be Templar's. You figure the built in Magic resistance would be handy in that line of work.

I could be wrong but I think surface dwarves gradually lose their resistance to magic along with their "stone sense". If I recall correctly their resistance is a product of living in close proximity to raw lyrium.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 17 novembre 2010 - 07:11 .

[Zjarcal]

Koyasha wrote...

If you choose to build a pyre, you're doing something special for him because of who he is.

True, but for my HNF (who does build a pyre), she does it because she actually knew him unlike the strangers you see hanging (and liked him to a certain extent) , and feels bad to just leave him there, but not because he was the king. My point is that giving him special treatment does not have to be tied to him being the king, it can be something special for someone you actually knew.

I know I'm rather stubborn about this, but I just hate the royal blood line. The line Skadi suggests would've been much more appropriate for me.

[EccentricSage]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

RTO had different people writing it compared to the rest of Origins.

The Quest notes tell you what you are feeling, and the animations show emotions that you might not be feeling. Also some of the writing team complained about the Wynne Alistair flirting.

XD  Seriously?!  I don't understand why they didn't at least have David Gaider proof read the thing before it was implamented.  It would have taken maybe one day of extra work to tweek the diologue and cut a few bits that made no sense.

So... who the hell did write RTO, and why were they so painfully and obviously unfamiliar with most of the characters and the characters' motivations?  I seriously hope the lazy ass got fired.  No one should be paid for doing such terrible work.

[EccentricSage]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Heh...though that's actually got me wondering why the Chantry doesn't actively try to recruit more Surface Dwarves to be Templar's. You figure the built in Magic resistance would be handy in that line of work.

That would be practical, except that I don't think the Dwarves would be able to learn the psudo-magic that Templars learn... and I wonder if Lyrium potions would even have the same effect on them as the humans?  Plus, the chantry are racist against non humans usually.  I think it was Wynne, the closet Chantry sister, that joked that Dwarves are not from the Maker.