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[Super_Fr33k]

If BW's really willing to go all out, I'd like to see something more developed than a "Choose A or B" final decision, given that your success against the Reapers should hinge on ME1 and 2's choices, and the alliances gained or conspiracies employed. Multiple endings, with degrees of success/failure, would be awesome. The possibility of the Reapers fully eliminating some species would be very interesting; it would also have the benefit of rewarding focused paragon and renegade play styles. A perfect paragon might usher in a new era of galactic harmony, while a renegade might impose humanity as the head of a galactic empire. Renegades might even be able to actively choose to let the Reapers eliminate or cripple certain species.



Ultimately, making compelling final decisions will hinge upon good, surprising story-telling; any choices BW offers can be boiled down to "ultimate sacrifice" or "humans win-aliens lose" descriptions.



My personal vote is that BW increases the stakes of defeating the Reapers. How? By revealing just how ancient they truly are. Here's an example scenario:



When Sovereign was destroyed, only a fraction of it was recovered, with the rest presumably scavenged, or, more interestingly, collected by the Keepers. What if the Keepers had contingency behaviors that caused them to extract salvageable materials from dead Reapers? Suppose enough of Sovereign's consciousness remained to begin taking over the Citadel...



While that's going, Shepard and the Normandy crew discover Reaper technology for a staggeringly powerful mass effect relay. beyond even what would be needed to transport the Reapers from dark space to the Citadel. Later in the game, they confront and defeat a Reaper scout, discovering schematics of ME relay networks that don't match the Milky Way's. The conclusion then becomes: the Reapers are harvesting the Milky Way for the last time, and are preparing to jump to an entirely new galaxy to inflict their genocidal cycle on.



Through Shepard's actions, let's say the tide begins to turn against the Reapers, and to wipe them out entirely, Shepard decides to lead a fleet through the Citadel relay into dark space, to destroy them and their mega-relay. Hope for a final, eternal defeat for the Reapers is seemingly dashed when Shepard encounters Citadel Sovereign.



CS tells Shepard it has evolved beyond even other Reapers, and wishes them destroyed. In exchange for its aid, however, Shepard must allow it to keep the mega-relay, and to use it to travel to a new galaxy. It even offers to release everyone still living on the Citadel. The primary choice becomes: save millions of your fellow galactic citizens, while unleashing an even greater threat on the universe, or watch them die as you purge Sovereign from the Citadel and risk normal Reapers attacking the galaxy once more, but without any risk to other galaxies. (This assumes only CS has the capacity to use the incomplete mega-relay.)



This tests the player's respect for life in the most painful way: if all life is worth protecting, shouldn't one galactic civilization sacrifice for another, even if it never meets it? It also increases the stakes quite dramatically, and creates the potential for Shepard to become savior and scourge simultaneously.

[wickedwizzard01]

i like this idea Super

now let us hope BW picks up on this

[Breakdown Boy]

Simple:



Miranda, Liara or Tali.



Then spandex, lace or anti biotics...

[klossen4]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Simple:

Miranda, Liara or Tali.

Then spandex, lace or anti biotics...

or can i not have you all three

[Count Viceroy]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Simple:

Miranda, Liara or Tali.

Then spandex, lace or anti biotics...

lol

[Moiaussi]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Letting Anderson punch Udina or The Illusive Man

Why choose? One fist for each

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

I anticipate the Loom ending. Shepard will be unable to destroy the reapers, so will instead use some hidden controls on the Citadel to destroy the mass relay network, thus trapping the reapers in the systems they've already conquered & giving everyone else centuries to develop a new and better form of FTL travel and prepare against the reapers' return. The choice will be whether Shepard takes the Normandy into reaper controlled space & helps those left behind, or returns to Citadel space and helps rebuild civilization.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well exploring what the FINAL choices have been in Mass Effect so far:



Mass Effect 1: Save the Council vs Let the Council die

Mass Effect 2: Destroy the CB vs Keep the Collector base.



Both are on the Paragon/Renegade scale where:

Paragon : Doing what they feel is morally right.

Renegade: Ignores the immediate to focus on the Reapers



So following that line of reasoning the best thing that I can see happening in ME3 is:



Fight side by side with the aliens/allies in a giant bloody battle against the reapers vs:

Let the aliens weaken the Reapers in a giant battle getting them wiped out, and leaving the human/cerberus fleet to getting an easier victory.



Fits on the paragon/renegade scale and leaves the same room for debate as ME1 and 2 have.



It also allows for past descions to come to bear:

Who do you have/side with in the final fight? (Rachni, Geth/Quarians, Krogans etc)

How good are the human ships with possible cerberus tech? (Collector Base)

Will the sides fight as hard as they can or mistrust the others leading to problems (council choice)

and so on.



But thats just my two cents.

[Mir5]

The Fable 2 method: Others, friends, or power?



The Deus Ex method: Evolve, revolve, or conserve?



See? Paragon, neutral, renegade.

[Sursion]

The entire galaxy is dead and Shepard is the only one left alive. She/He looks into the sky and a reaper approaches. You must then decide, do you kill yourself, destroying your body in the process (paragon), or allow the reapers to turn you into one of them (Renegade)



Either way, reapers win.

[The Spamming Troll]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Simple:

Miranda, Liara or Tali.

Then spandex, lace or anti biotics...

Moiaussi wrote...

Why choose? One fist for each

gross, dude.

[Niddy']

The final decision in me3 will be where tali and i put our house on her homeworld.

[Rogue Eagle]

Destroy the Mass Relays to stop the Reapers coming back.

or

Sacrifice Self

or

Make a deal with reapers and hand them an entire race on a platter.

Modifié par Rogue Eagle, 18 novembre 2010 - 10:40 .

[Alienmorph]

I hope in something more complex that "choose A or B", like in the Suicide Mission where every single decision you did during the game can influence the results, but in a planetary scale. So for example, if it will be an enourmous final battle with the Reapers, saving the Rachni or not in ME we'll determine extra reinforcerments and the possibility to avoid the distruction of, for example, the Citadel or the Quarian fleet. Same with the single characters: saving Grunt and Legion would help you to obtain the Krogan and Geths help, etc. So, if you was a Paragon in the previous games the Reapers will face an united galaxy and there's a chance of victory, if you was a Renegade you may finished indoctrinated or reaperfied with the entire human race, and and intermediary situation would end with Shepard and his team sacrified for the good of the galactic civilization. A "Save everyone or Kill everyone" linear choice would be a sooo lame ending in my opinion...

[Collider]

Personally, I think there may very well be an Ultimate Sacrifice choice which can be pursued as part of the final decision in ME3. For those of you who have played Dragon Age, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Of course, Shepard might not necessarily die at the end of ME3, but there might be an option to have her sacrifice herself for good, just as there might be another option to have her survive at the expense of someone else's life, for instance.

ughhh

[Fiery Phoenix]

Collider wrote...

Personally, I think there may very well be an Ultimate Sacrifice choice which can be pursued as part of the final decision in ME3. For those of you who have played Dragon Age, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Of course, Shepard might not necessarily die at the end of ME3, but there might be an option to have her sacrifice herself for good, just as there might be another option to have her survive at the expense of someone else's life, for instance.

ughhh

I'm not going to lie to you, Col, but I actually expect that to be in ME3.

[Maestro975]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

somewhere on this board BW had said there will be no new team members but it's don't know where anymore
it's too long ago but but i will try to find  it again:?

Please do.  Because I seriously doubt your claims.  Not only does it bode ill for both people who gots their squad shot up AND new players, but I REALLY want a batarian squadmate.  And a female turian.

Maybe they meant no one new in terms of no one who makes their first appearance in ME3.

Characters who could theorhetically join your squad:

Kahlee Sanders
Kai Leng
Feron
Tazzik
Urdnot Torsk

Invariably, even if all of your squadmates survive, some of them will part ways. Zaeed is a mercenary, he was specifically hired to deal with the Collectors. Samara has expressed interest in going to Omega and becoming a guardian, which would likely put her into conflict with the Talons, a turian gang that got real powerful after Tarak, Jaroth, and Garm were killed, and maybe even Aria herself. Kasumi is iffy, if she kept the graybox, then she would likely need Shadow Broker resources to protect her, and would have a good reason to stay with Shep (and Jacob). Otherwise, she's back to being a freelancer. If Tali became vas Normandy (and was romanced by Shep), then she would have a strong insentive to stay on the Normandy, but if you outed her dad, then she'll resents you and returns to the Flotilla as an admiral. (I need someone to back me up on this, but I think that if you expose her dad's experiments AND side with Legion during their little Mexican standoff, then it is impossible to smooth things over with her.) Grunt is needed to help restore clan Urdnot. Thane is already dying, and will likely die of natural causes if he survives the suicide mission. Jack doesn't have much reason to stick around if you didn't romance her.

If you lose people then you'll need replacements to take up the slack.
You lose Tali, then Lemm'Shal vas Idenna, Veetor'Nara, or Kal'Reeger could fill her shoes. You lose Thane (like I said, you likely will regardless), you get Feron. You lose Grunt, you get Torsk. You lose Jack, you get Gillian Grayson. No more Zaeed, but Ash comes back. If Wrex died, then I could picture Wreav initially agreeing to help you, but then betraying you for personal gain. 

I'm sure that ME3 will be under the assumption that at least one of your ME2 squadmates is no longer with you, to make room for the Virmire survivor.

I think the Ultimate Sacrifice will be motivated by a doublecross. An ally betrays you at the worst possible moment, and that's what triggers the ultimate sacrifice scenario. The identity of the traitor could be based on various decisions made in ME1 or ME2: TIM, Rana Thanoptis, Urdnot Wreav, Morinth, Udina, maybe even Aria.

Modifié par Maestro975, 18 novembre 2010 - 04:52 .

[Talogrungi]

I'm just really hoping it won't be the ultimate sacrifice scenario. It's just so clichéd. I want my Shepard to live!

My money is on: Liberate the Galaxy by destroying the Reapers utterly, or ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of the Reapers and enslave the Galaxy under the rule of humanity.

[Loki330]

To hijack and modify a few lines from scrubs I hope this can happen in ME3:



"It's the council, we're under attack again!"

Shep: What are yours odds of surviving?

"Not good."

Shep: Yay! (cuts connection)



Joker/EDI: You know the human counciller was on board too?

Shep: Udina too? This day is getting better by the minute!



I hope we can do a 'hoisted on petard' moment on the twits, I really do. On the other hand I hope you can save them, because then you can get to gloat all over their arses. Dismiss THAT!

[Alienmorph]

Maestro975 wrote...
Maybe they meant no one new in terms of no one who makes their first appearance in ME3.

Characters who could theorhetically join your squad:

Kahlee Sanders
Kai Leng
Feron
Tazzik
Urdnot Torsk

Invariably, even if all of your squadmates survive, some of them will part ways. Zaeed is a mercenary, he was specifically hired to deal with the Collectors. Samara has expressed interest in going to Omega and becoming a guardian, which would likely put her into conflict with the Talons, a turian gang that got real powerful after Tarak, Jaroth, and Garm were killed, and maybe even Aria herself. Kasumi is iffy, if she kept the graybox, then she would likely need Shadow Broker resources to protect her, and would have a good reason to stay with Shep (and Jacob). Otherwise, she's back to being a freelancer. If Tali became vas Normandy (and was romanced by Shep), then she would have a strong insentive to stay on the Normandy, but if you outed her dad, then she'll resents you and returns to the Flotilla as an admiral. (I need someone to back me up on this, but I think that if you expose her dad's experiments AND side with Legion during their little Mexican standoff, then it is impossible to smooth things over with her.) Grunt is needed to help restore clan Urdnot. Thane is already dying, and will likely die of natural causes if he survives the suicide mission. Jack doesn't have much reason to stick around if you didn't romance her.

If you lose people then you'll need replacements to take up the slack.
You lose Tali, then Lemm'Shal vas Idenna, Veetor'Nara, or Kal'Reeger could fill her shoes. You lose Thane (like I said, you likely will regardless), you get Feron. You lose Grunt, you get Torsk. You lose Jack, you get Gillian Grayson. No more Zaeed, but Ash comes back. If Wrex died, then I could picture Wreav initially agreeing to help you, but then betraying you for personal gain. 

I'm sure that ME3 will be under the assumption that at least one of your ME2 squadmates is no longer with you, to make room for the Virmire survivor.

I think the Ultimate Sacrifice will be motivated by a doublecross. An ally betrays you at the worst possible moment, and that's what triggers the ultimate sacrifice scenario. The identity of the traitor could be based on various decisions made in ME1 or ME2: TIM, Rana Thanoptis, Urdnot Wreav, Morinth, Udina, maybe even Aria.

Good analisys... I really hope in something similar, especially about the team's situation. The easiest thing to do for BW would be start the game with another big twist to justify the recruitment of another whole new team, but that would be a slap in a face for so many people, who would risk to see theyr favourite character put aside to make just some 5-minutes appearencese, like Wrex on Tuchanka or Liara on Illum before her Dlc. The best thing possible is to have this kind of flexible team organization, and the same for ending. In general, simply ME3 shouldn't expand the ME universe so much as the second game, but simply let you to achieve the final results of all your decision, and find out the "final fate" of the various characters involved. Also, I guess that a pair of new entries at least will be quite unavoidable.

[Count Viceroy]

The final decision is wether you hit Kahlee Sanders in the face with a crowbar or a lead pipe.

Mary sue this b****!

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 novembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[kill_switch_423]

I don't think the player should get to necessarily "choose" this time, as in making a literal choice at the end-game. It'd be great if every single decision that has been recorded from ME1 and 2, combined with whatever 3 throws at us, should determine the outcome of the final chapter. If the galaxy survives, who survives, if Shepard survives, who gets galactic control, etc.



In my opinion, this would give it a truly epic feel to see the far-reaching results of all three games, allowing us to see our decisions in a new light.



Hey, I can hope can't I?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Maestro975 wrote...

I think the Ultimate Sacrifice will be motivated by a doublecross. An ally betrays you at the worst possible moment, and that's what triggers the ultimate sacrifice scenario. The identity of the traitor could be based on various decisions made in ME1 or ME2: TIM, Rana Thanoptis, Urdnot Wreav, Morinth, Udina, maybe even Aria.

I actually like this scenario of presenting an Ultimate Sacrifice. Well thought-out, Maestro.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

create a blackhole