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[ryoldschool]

Wanted to post a topic asking for suggestions on how to play Grunts Loyalty mission with a vanguard ( xbox, insanity ).

I usually play that before the Collector Ship Trap because I want to get the 4th Shotgun upgrade.
(1) I don't have AR or SR training to do long-range damage to the Threasher Maw.  I've never used heavy weapons on that thing so I'm not sure what works well.

(2) If you don't use heavy weapons it takes a long time to get the maw, I've used lvl 2 reave and an smg with inferno ammo - takes forever.
This mission with a soldier is a piece of cake - Tungsten ammo with AR + Mattock, but with Vanguard it really shows the long range weakness.
Vanguard and soldier are my two favorite classes to play ( I usually have two playthroughs going at the same time ).  Soldier when I want to plaster the bad guys, vanguard - well its hard to explain why they are fun cause I die a lot.  I know that there are some bugs with Charge, and all that, but bioware deserves credit for coming up with a really unusual game element.
Anyway, I'm interested in how other people play that mission with Vanguard.

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

As an Adept, all I do is use my pistol. The Phalanx does long-range damage to it, and you as a Vanguard should have Inferno Ammo.

[Kronner]

I usually do it after the Collector mission, but I take the Claymore, so no long range difference here.

That said, I take it down with the Claymore (+Inferno ammo), it does not take more than 2 minutes (NG+ Insanity, 3 shotgun upgrades, N7 gear+recon hood). I usually use Cain too, just to speed it up a bit. I can post video later.

edit:

Video is here.

Please note this is ng+ and Shep is level 30, so Maw has maximum armor possible and therefore takes the longest to take down. Killing the Maw with Claymore is a lot more fun than sniping for me.

Modifié par Kronner, 16 novembre 2010 - 07:27 .

[PrinceLionheart]

I never found the Maw that tough with the Vanguard. I normally bring along Mordin on the mission and alternate between using his Incinerate and a level 3/max reave on the Vanguard. The fight is essentially widdeling the Maw down with Bug Bites. 

But I see understand what you mean, the Vanguard is the only class not built for long range fights.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

The Thresher Maw dies easily anyway. Just bring a good heavy weapon and the Phalanx.



It's funny, I really raged when I discovered about this long range enemy on the mission and I had brought Tali. Three shotgunners tends to not work on it lol.

[AntiChri5]

It is surprisingly easy to shotgun it to death.



And why do you take Tungsten Ammo on your Soldier?

[ryoldschool]

AntiChri5 wrote...

It is surprisingly easy to shotgun it to death.

And why do you take Tungsten Ammo on your Soldier?

Tungsten ammo ( on soldier at that point - level 15 )  because you can max it out to level 4 faster than with Inferno because you don't have to spend the points in disruptor ( 3 ) just to get incendary.  Also, on that mission Tungsten works better ( in my experience ) than inferno because the kixen(sp?) are imune to fire effects.

I've not tried to use a shotgun before, I'll look at Kronner's video.

[ryoldschool]

Kronner wrote...

I usually do it after the Collector mission, but I take the Claymore, so no long range difference here.

That said, I take it down with the Claymore (+Inferno ammo), it does not take more than 2 minutes (NG+ Insanity, 3 shotgun upgrades, N7 gear+recon hood). I usually use Cain too, just to speed it up a bit. I can post video later.

edit:

Video is here.

Please note this is ng+ and Shep is level 30, so Maw has maximum armor possible and therefore takes the longest to take down. Killing the Maw with Claymore is a lot more fun than sniping for me.

Impressive.  You like to play on the edge, because the screen was red almost the whole time.  Does the claymore fire that fast or were you using the reload trick?  Thanks,

[Simbacca]

Kronner wrote...

I usually do it after the Collector mission, but I take the Claymore, so no long range difference here.

That said, I take it down with the Claymore (+Inferno ammo), it does not take more than 2 minutes (NG+ Insanity, 3 shotgun upgrades, N7 gear+recon hood). I usually use Cain too, just to speed it up a bit. I can post video later.

edit:

Video is here.

Please note this is ng+ and Shep is level 30, so Maw has maximum armor possible and therefore takes the longest to take down. Killing the Maw with Claymore is a lot more fun than sniping for me.

W...T...F...how did you not die?  that was awesome.

Modifié par Simbacca, 17 novembre 2010 - 02:37 .

[ashwind]

ryoldschool wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I usually do it after the Collector mission, but I take the Claymore, so no long range difference here.

That said, I take it down with the Claymore (+Inferno ammo), it does not take more than 2 minutes (NG+ Insanity, 3 shotgun upgrades, N7 gear+recon hood). I usually use Cain too, just to speed it up a bit. I can post video later.

edit:

Video is here.

Please note this is ng+ and Shep is level 30, so Maw has maximum armor possible and therefore takes the longest to take down. Killing the Maw with Claymore is a lot more fun than sniping for me.

Impressive.  You like to play on the edge, because the screen was red almost the whole time.  Does the claymore fire that fast or were you using the reload trick?  Thanks,

He was reload canceling. 

Kronner must be hungry for Thresher steak 

I also usually do the Grunt mission b4 collector for the SG upgrade umm... but seeing how fun is reload canceling Claymore on that thing - so tempting.

[ryoldschool]

ashwind wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I usually do it after the Collector mission, but I take the Claymore, so no long range difference here.

That said, I take it down with the Claymore (+Inferno ammo), it does not take more than 2 minutes (NG+ Insanity, 3 shotgun upgrades, N7 gear+recon hood). I usually use Cain too, just to speed it up a bit. I can post video later.

edit:

Video is here.

Please note this is ng+ and Shep is level 30, so Maw has maximum armor possible and therefore takes the longest to take down. Killing the Maw with Claymore is a lot more fun than sniping for me.

Impressive.  You like to play on the edge, because the screen was red almost the whole time.  Does the claymore fire that fast or were you using the reload trick?  Thanks,

He was reload canceling. 

Kronner must be hungry for Thresher steak 

I also usually do the Grunt mission b4 collector for the SG upgrade umm... but seeing how fun is reload canceling Claymore on that thing - so tempting.

Just did the mission again with my level 18 vanguard ( before the Collector ship trap ).  Had Samara and Grunt ( of course ).  Tried using a pistol, as suggested by Miss Yuna of Atlanta, but I only had two pistol upgrades and it did nothing with squad incendray ammo.

so.. I tried Evi with squad incendary, had statis as bonus so ho help there.  I used the strategy of Kronner, except using the Evi with 3 sg upgrades ( no reload - I'm on xbox ).  Pretty amazing because it is hard for the maw to hit you when you are so close.  Completed with 1.:24 left, and only used one medigel.  Grunt and Samara both had mattock with squad incendary but they were useful to mainly tell where the Maw was showing up.

My thanks to Kronner.

[Kronner]

ryoldschool wrote...

Just did the mission again with my level 18 vanguard ( before the Collector ship trap ).  Had Samara and Grunt ( of course ).  Tried using a pistol, as suggested by Miss Yuna of Atlanta, but I only had two pistol upgrades and it did nothing with squad incendray ammo.

so.. I tried Evi with squad incendary, had statis as bonus so ho help there.  I used the strategy of Kronner, except using the Evi with 3 sg upgrades ( no reload - I'm on xbox ).  Pretty amazing because it is hard for the maw to hit you when you are so close.  Completed with 1.:24 left, and only used one medigel.  Grunt and Samara both had mattock with squad incendary but they were useful to mainly tell where the Maw was showing up.

My thanks to Kronner.

You're welcome. I am glad it worked for you too

btw Claymore (probably Evi as well) is also surprisingly effective against gunships (Garrus' RM, Kasumi's LM or Samara's RM).

Modifié par Kronner, 21 novembre 2010 - 06:42 .

[Ahglock]

Kronner wrote...

I usually do it after the Collector mission, but I take the Claymore, so no long range difference here.

That said, I take it down with the Claymore (+Inferno ammo), it does not take more than 2 minutes (NG+ Insanity, 3 shotgun upgrades, N7 gear+recon hood). I usually use Cain too, just to speed it up a bit. I can post video later.

edit:

Video is here.

Please note this is ng+ and Shep is level 30, so Maw has maximum armor possible and therefore takes the longest to take down. Killing the Maw with Claymore is a lot more fun than sniping for me.

That was awesome.  One you ran in the red longer than I thought was possible, two I had no idea if you got close it would melee you with its tongue.  It always looked so far off I never tried that. 

[onelifecrisis]

Kronner wrote...

I usually do it after the Collector mission, but I take the Claymore, so no long range difference here.

That said, I take it down with the Claymore (+Inferno ammo), it does not take more than 2 minutes (NG+ Insanity, 3 shotgun upgrades, N7 gear+recon hood). I usually use Cain too, just to speed it up a bit. I can post video later.

edit:

Video is here.

Please note this is ng+ and Shep is level 30, so Maw has maximum armor possible and therefore takes the longest to take down. Killing the Maw with Claymore is a lot more fun than sniping for me.

It looks to me like you are abusing some sort of Charge glitch. I noticed you would hit charge just before being hit by the maw's poison-venom-stuff and your character would glow briefly (Barrier style) and take no damage. If I'm right, you're debatably cheating.

[Kronner]

No, I press Charge button to cancel part of the Claymore reload animation (known as the reload trick or reload cancel - you can use any power and melee to do it), which is not a cheat or anything.

More about the reload cancel is here and here.


Charge does not help you to avoid the Maw's attack, The Maw simply will not hit you very often if you are close to it. Try it and see for yourself.

Modifié par Kronner, 23 novembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[ryoldschool]

Kronner wrote...

No, I press Charge button to cancel part of the Claymore reload animation (known as the reload trick or reload cancel - you can use any power and melee to do it), which is not a cheat or anything.

More about the reload cancel is here and here.


Charge does not help you to avoid the Maw's attack, The Maw simply will not hit you very often if you are close to it. Try it and see for yourself.

As I mentioned in my post, it does not hit you that often with venom when you are close.  I could not really believe it, because that venom attack it does has killed me quite a few times when I've fought at range.  I did try to charge it when I was far away ( to hopefully get into shotgun range ) but it did nothing at all.  And I was suprised by the tounge melee that it does.  Playing vanguard really gives a different perspective on a lot of the fights ( from long range styles ).

Also, I'm on xbox and didn't use any reload trick.  Slightly off the topic, but about the reload trick, there is a controller for xbox ( NOT available YET ) called the Razer Onza that has extra buttons ( two extra bumper buttons )  that you can map to existing buttons ( like the melee ).  It has been reviewed a bunch of times ( most recently in December issue of Gamepro ), but you can't buy it yet,  If/when it is available I'm going to try it because you could map the melee to the extra left bumper so that you could try the reload trick and not have to give up your aiming.  As it is to do reload trick on xbox means you have to aim and melee with the same right thumb!

[Kronner]

Sounds good, and it even looks like it's cheaper than the MS one. The more buttons the better.

[DadeLeviathan]

Just specialize in sniper rifles as your optional weapon for the vanguard (provided you've gone through the game once already). Make sure inferno ammo is charged all the way up, equip the sniper with it and laugh as you destroy the maw with ease. Works with all the sniper rifles, but I find that the viper works best since it has the higher dps (Slightly higher than the incisor I've found since the incisor has a short cool-down between 3-round bursts).

Another method if you don't like sniper rifles (I've found that they make the perfect secondary weapon for vanguards since assault rifles are practically useless for a vanguard if you play up-close and personal like I do) is to take warp as your secondary power, level it up and just blast the CRAP out of the maw. Levelled up to full power, warp does almost as much damage as the rocket launcher. This wouldn't be my route, as I think with a good vanguard, you have to make sure that both squad cryo and inferno are leveled up, as well as charge, so I don't put a lot of points into my other biotics until those three plus assault mastery are maxed.

[ryoldschool]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Just specialize in sniper rifles as your optional weapon for the vanguard (provided you've gone through the game once already). Make sure inferno ammo is charged all the way up, equip the sniper with it and laugh as you destroy the maw with ease. Works with all the sniper rifles, but I find that the viper works best since it has the higher dps (Slightly higher than the incisor I've found since the incisor has a short cool-down between 3-round bursts).

Another method if you don't like sniper rifles (I've found that they make the perfect secondary weapon for vanguards since assault rifles are practically useless for a vanguard if you play up-close and personal like I do) is to take warp as your secondary power, level it up and just blast the CRAP out of the maw. Levelled up to full power, warp does almost as much damage as the rocket launcher. This wouldn't be my route, as I think with a good vanguard, you have to make sure that both squad cryo and inferno are leveled up, as well as charge, so I don't put a lot of points into my other biotics until those three plus assault mastery are maxed.

(1) I don't like ng+ - tried it once and I was already at level 30, so there was no leveling up to look forward to after each mission - so you had the same skills the whole game.  I am just not interested in that.

(2) Do you mean Reave as a bonus power?  Because warp is not a bonus power.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Kronner wrote...

The Maw simply will not hit you very often if you are close to it. Try it and see for yourself.

:shakeshead: Exploit! Exploit! Foul! Foul! j/k

I guess everyone will have to start using this trick now!

GJ Kronner!

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 23 novembre 2010 - 06:35 .

[Kronner]

ryoldschool wrote...

(1) I don't like ng+ - tried it once and I was already at level 30, so there was no leveling up to look forward to after each mission - so you had the same skills the whole game.  I am just not interested in that.

For me, early Vanguard NG+ (up to and including Horizon) is the best ME2 has to offer. You have to play much smarter and use all weapons and powers correctly. Then you quickly get all the major upgrades (3rds + what they unlock) and it all goes downhill to regular insanity once again

[wookieeassassin]

I played as Infiltrator on insanity. I was able to take it down with the standard sniper, pistol and either the AR or the SMG. I don't know how you'd do it with a class that doesn't have AR or sniper. Not that many powers work against it. Shepard should have just snuck a Mako in there

On insanity it takes about three Cain shots to kill it, so heavy weapons aren't terribly useful against it.

Modifié par wookieeassassin, 23 novembre 2010 - 06:50 .

[Kurt M.]

Last time I killed the Maws, it was with Collectors' particle Beam (down to +-50% armor with it), and a combination of the Eviscerator and the Locust + Incendiary ammo. It's a lazy way to do it. Not quick or particularly effective, but hey, I got the job done

[ryoldschool]

ryoldschool wrote...

ashwind wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I usually do it after the Collector mission, but I take the Claymore, so no long range difference here.

That said, I take it down with the Claymore (+Inferno ammo), it does not take more than 2 minutes (NG+ Insanity, 3 shotgun upgrades, N7 gear+recon hood). I usually use Cain too, just to speed it up a bit. I can post video later.

edit:

Video is here.

Please note this is ng+ and Shep is level 30, so Maw has maximum armor possible and therefore takes the longest to take down. Killing the Maw with Claymore is a lot more fun than sniping for me.

Impressive.  You like to play on the edge, because the screen was red almost the whole time.  Does the claymore fire that fast or were you using the reload trick?  Thanks,

He was reload canceling. 

Kronner must be hungry for Thresher steak 

I also usually do the Grunt mission b4 collector for the SG upgrade umm... but seeing how fun is reload canceling Claymore on that thing - so tempting.

Just did the mission again with my level 18 vanguard ( before the Collector ship trap ).  Had Samara and Grunt ( of course ).  Tried using a pistol, as suggested by Miss Yuna of Atlanta, but I only had two pistol upgrades and it did nothing with squad incendray ammo.

so.. I tried Evi with squad incendary, had statis as bonus so ho help there.  I used the strategy of Kronner, except using the Evi with 3 sg upgrades ( no reload - I'm on xbox ).  Pretty amazing because it is hard for the maw to hit you when you are so close.  Completed with 1.:24 left, and only used one medigel.  Grunt and Samara both had mattock with squad incendary but they were useful to mainly tell where the Maw was showing up.

My thanks to Kronner.

I just did this mission after the collector ship trap, where I took the claymore this time.  Three shotgun upgrades, Miranda and Grunt.

1:57 left when I killed the Maw- pitiful attempt at reload trick
1:24 left when I used Evi on previous playthrough
3:14 left on Kronner's video

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

It's funny, I really raged when I discovered about this long range enemy on the mission and I had brought Tali. Three shotgunners tends to not work on it lol.

Give Tali the heavy pistol.  She does much better with it than the shotgun.