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[Quill74Pen]

Everyone:

... lose access to a permanent source of elfroot and/or other key supply components? I've heard conflicting reports about this and am hoping to learn, once and for all, what happens. After all, I'd really hate to lose my elfroot supply!

Quill74Pen 

[Avilia]

Yes you do.

wiki link

[Quill74Pen]

Ouch. That's a steep price to pay ... but if I want to platinum DA:O, I don't really have a choice in the matter.



Quill74Pen

[Morwen Eledhwen]

I sided with the Werewolves with my Mage, so I didn't need to make nearly as many Health Poultices. That helped. Also, the Werewolves don't require any donations, so you won't have to give up any elfroots, deep mushrooms or deathroots that you do collect. (They do appreciate a Nug, though, if you happen to have one on you.)

[DWSmiley]

You can buy a couple hundred from Varathorn while he still lives or you can install the Wolf Shop mod:

Wolf Shop

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Yes, that's right --I also stocked up from Varathorn before letting the Werewolves loose in camp.  

Also, they're a stronger army head-to-head than the Elves IMO. You only get 16 of them as opposed to 50 Dalish, but I brought them on to the top of Fort Drakon to help me with the Archdemon and 8 of them survived, whereas all the Dalish can get wiped out even before it hits its little 50%-health perch.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 16 novembre 2010 - 08:47 .

[Quill74Pen]

That's probably what I'll do for my DN character, too — stock up. She's basically a nice person, but really doesn't like being lied to or messed around with, especially after the crap involving Trian and Behlen. So, it's lights out for Keeper Zathrian.

Quill74Pen

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Quill74Pen wrote...

That's probably what I'll do for my DN character, too — stock up. She's basically a nice person, but really doesn't like being lied to or messed around with, especially after the crap involving Trian and Behlen. So, it's lights out for Keeper Zathrian.
Quill74Pen

Since neither Morrigan nor my Mage were what you'd call healing Mages --though both of us knew Heal and would use it if we had to-- we pretty much adopted the policy of "If we kill everything really really fast, no one will need healing and we won't use any Health poultices." :happy:

Recruiting Loghain also helped with this policy. He kills things really really fast. Just sayin'.

[Quill74Pen]

**LOL** Yes, I'll probably have to set my tactics so my party doesn't use health poultices unless they're at 50 percent or less and, even then, use the least powerful ones.

Quill74Pen

Edit: As for recruiting Loghain, I don't know if that'll work with my DN female; she doesn't like being played with or screwed around with. She blames Trian and Behlen for that little personality quirk. **LOL**

Modifié par Quill74Pen, 16 novembre 2010 - 09:06 .

[Zjarcal]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Yes, that's right --I also stocked up from Varathorn before letting the Werewolves loose in camp.  

Also, they're a stronger army head-to-head than the Elves IMO. You only get 16 of them as opposed to 50 Dalish, but I brought them on to the top of Fort Drakon to help me with the Archdemon and 8 of them survived, whereas all the Dalish can get wiped out even before it hits its little 50%-health perch.

I'm sorry, but how do you lose all 50 Dalish in the AD fight?!?!

I think at most I've lost about 10, probably less. The place that does wipe out troops for me is the entrance to Fort Drakon.

And the Wolf Shop mod is awesome!

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Zjarcal wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Yes, that's right --I also stocked up from Varathorn before letting the Werewolves loose in camp.  

Also, they're a stronger army head-to-head than the Elves IMO. You only get 16 of them as opposed to 50 Dalish, but I brought them on to the top of Fort Drakon to help me with the Archdemon and 8 of them survived, whereas all the Dalish can get wiped out even before it hits its little 50%-health perch.

I'm sorry, but how do you lose all 50 Dalish in the AD fight?!?!

I think at most I've lost about 10, probably less. The place that does wipe out troops for me is the entrance to Fort Drakon.

Hahaha. . .Well, I've never given them much in camp, so I don't know if that affects their performance, or what; but they seem to like to stand right in its line of fire and get mowed down by Spirit Flame attacks. Or crunched up, or knocked down by tail sweeps. *shrugs* At least they keep it occupied for a while. . .

The entrance to Fort Drakon is also a tough area for me but I usually call in Eamon's knights and lose about 15-20.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 16 novembre 2010 - 09:42 .

[Zjarcal]

Well I guess that would explain it! I always give them tons of elfroots and stuff (mostly for the XP exploit... ), so they are probably stronger than normal.

[bleetman]

The survival rate for Redcliffe knights fell dramatically for me after I discovered how to combine Blizzard and Tempest spells. I'm sure the two things are unrelated.

Donations in camp don't improve the performance of the various forces, as far as I'm aware. They're just XP boosts. Which is a shame, as buying elfroot from the dalish to give to the dalish to replenish their stock in preperation would be amusing.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 novembre 2010 - 09:48 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Zjarcal wrote...

Well I guess that would explain it! I always give them tons of elfroots and stuff (mostly for the XP exploit... ), so they are probably stronger than normal.

I'll have my Mahariel try that and see what happens --I doubt she'll be enlisting the Werewolves.

[Zjarcal]

bleetman wrote...

The survival rate for Redcliffe knights fell dramatically for me after I discovered how to combine Blizzard and Tempest spells. I'm sure the two things are unrelated.

Donations in camp don't improve the performance of the various forces, as far as I'm aware. They're just XP boosts. Which is a shame, as buying elfroot from the dalish to give to the dalish to replenish their stock in preperation would be amusing.

It's really unclear whether or not it does. I do recall that on one playthrough I didn't give any items to the dwarves and they died a lot quicker during the final battle.

The wiki is pretty vague on this subject.

http://dragonage.wik...d_Supply_Crates

[bleetman]

Hrmm. I threw a couple of thousand elfroot at the dalish last time and didn't notice any significant improvements. Hard to tell either way, I suppose.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Quill74Pen wrote...

**LOL** Yes, I'll probably have to set my tactics so my party doesn't use health poultices unless they're at 50 percent or less and, even then, use the least powerful ones.

Quill74Pen

Ah. . .This may be your issue right there. I usually set my Mages to heal at ally health <50% and my party members to use poultices at health <25%. That should save you a bunch.

[Quill74Pen]

bleetman wrote...

The survival rate for Redcliffe knights fell dramatically for me after I discovered how to combine Blizzard and Tempest spells. I'm sure the two things are unrelated.

Donations in camp don't improve the performance of the various forces, as far as I'm aware. They're just XP boosts. Which is a shame, as buying elfroot from the dalish to give to the dalish to replenish their stock in preperation would be amusing.

I'm just beginning a fourth playthrough of DA:O and, until now, I didn't know that contributing to the allied supply crates also boosted your XP. It doesn't show any XP gain when you do it, so I didn't realize what was happening.

Anyway, nice to know.

Quill74Pen

[Quill74Pen]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...

**LOL** Yes, I'll probably have to set my tactics so my party doesn't use health poultices unless they're at 50 percent or less and, even then, use the least powerful ones.

Quill74Pen

Ah. . .This may be your issue right there. I usually set my Mages to heal at ally health <50% and my party members to use poultices at health <25%. That should save you a bunch.

I've set the parameters before for 25 percent and less, but the problem I sometimes run into is, my party members sometimes don't have the time to replenish their health if they're under constant attack. This occurs even if I make it the top priority in the tactics menu.

Quill74Pen

[jackkel dragon]

DWSmiley wrote...

You can buy a couple hundred from Varathorn while he still lives or you can install the Wolf Shop mod:

Wolf Shop

I just installed that mod.

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I can't say which army is really better, as the wolves are tough, but melee-only. Elves are pretty much ranged-only, and you get a mob of them.

I still have to say 4 golems vs. Archdemon = easy win.

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah I usually go to the Dalish camp early, and buy a couple stacks of Elfroot early on. You only need about ten or so.

[Giggles_Manically]

The werewolves are gimpy as allies.



They can pull a huge amount of DPS, but they have a glass jaw. If they face a mage, or any of the tougher foes in the game, they dont last very long.



The Dwarves and Redcliffe forces are the best to use, high numbers and good all around.

Dalish are really second tier here, they are great at range but still lack the health in a fight.

Werewolves and Mages are both pretty good if used right.

Templars are horrible since they keep dispelling my buffs.

[Bruddajakka]

I think I've only had the Werewolves kill the Dalish once just to see it. Otherwise I've always gone with the third option when it comes to that quest.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yep the third option is really the best.



Treaty fulfilled.

Zathrian and the Curse arent around anymore

The people are cured (human and elf)



Really the best solution.

[Bruddajakka]

Well that, and I have an intense loathing for Voyager so I hate Tim Russ....and Mulgrew